I really think this should be a thing....

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**Nite0fox**

I really think that after exchanging lists with your opponent, you should be able to modify your list VERY SLIGHTLY to plan for the incomming army. I'm talking like, 10-20% of the points you play are able to be switched for other models as long as it doesn't break formation. So playing a 2000pt game, you trade lists and then you have 200pts to work with to change up some things to better adapt to the enemy.

Cause I mean come on. Seriously? My guys have done NO scouting on the enemy army to prepare? We just happened to meet in the middle of a warzone with no idea what to expect?

**xlDuke**

You can already do this if you want, the rule book doesn't say anything about tailoring lists. Just ask your opponent

**Nite0fox**

xlDuke wrote:
You can already do this if you want, the rule book doesn't say anything about tailoring lists. Just ask your opponent

Haha, True, It would be a good house rule, but I mean like, even at tournaments or something more common!

**niv-mizzet**

There was a rumor about this when 7th rumors were flying around.

It was that you could have what was similar to a M:TG "sideboard." You could bring an extra 25% of the event point total, and use it to swap any 25% points of your list as long as your detachments stay legal, after seeing your opponent's list and the terrain (and mission and stuff too,) but before seeing changes that he makes to his list.

Thing is is that it's already ludicrously hard to keep track of legality with just 1 list a person. This would compound that problem.

**Bookwrack**

You can try and houserule it however you want.

I don't want to play it that way.

**Nite0fox**

niv-mizzet wrote:
There was a rumor about this when 7th rumors were flying around.

It was that you could have what was similar to a M:TG "sideboard." You could bring an extra 25% of the event point total, and use it to swap any 25% points of your list as long as your detachments stay legal, after seeing your opponent's list and the terrain (and mission and stuff too,) but before seeing changes that he makes to his list.

Thing is is that it's already ludicrously hard to keep track of legality with just 1 list a person. This would compound that problem.

I see what your saying with it being tough to keep track of. I actually work at a game shop where we play MTG and 40k, and I can see the lists being a huge problem.

**Ghazkuul**

I understand where your coming from, I have played against a guy who brought about 1200 pts of flyers and not much else and it was murderous to take that on.

**Wyldhunt**

Huh. I'm the first one to mention this, and I'm not even a warmahordes player (yet).

In warmahordes tournaments, you can exchange lists with your opponent, then decide whether or not to use a second list instead. Something similar might be helpful in 40k. Maybe force you to keep the same factions/allies/splats in play, but you can swap out for a second list after reviewing your opponent's before the game.

That way, you could have a list that, for instance, brings flakk missiles on your devastators and another that puts those flakk points into more gear for your other units.

**Bill1138**

I think the easier way to achieve similar results would be if lists are built to a certain pt value, and there is a set number of free points to be used after seeing the opponent's list.

Example:
1850pt Tournament
Each person builds a 1500pt list, and after seeing the opponent's list, they have an additional 350pts to purchase additional units or upgrades.

So each player has an idea what the other has, but doesn't get to see what the last 350pts become before finalizing their own lists.

**Mallich**

The problem with that is that it gives a big bonus to players with large collections. What about the opposite?

Each person builds a 2,200pt list, and after seeing the opponent's list, they must delete 350 points.
This does introduce a few problems, though, especially with armies with expensive units and/or fixed squad sizes.

**Wilson**

I disagree with your idea - i understand why you say that it would be cool but i prefer the challenge of taking on the opponent with what you have.

**SharkoutofWata**

If you play the same army multiple times, that should be your warning, over a prolonged campaign fought because two armies are in the same area. That's where tailoring comes in. You show up and invade your FLGS and the defending force wasnt what you were expecting, then you should have done more recon (went to the FLGS more).

I'm lucky enough to have like-minded people here so they can bring whatever they like. Gentleman's agreement not to be TFG about it and tailoring isn't required.

**Bill1138**

Mallich wrote:
The problem with that is that it gives a big bonus to players with large collections. What about the opposite?

Each person builds a 2,200pt list, and after seeing the opponent's list, they must delete 350 points.
This does introduce a few problems, though, especially with armies with expensive units and/or fixed squad sizes.

Where deleting stuff gets hairy is the mess it makes for making it clear what's still there and what isn't, and you have to keep track of what the units lost.

It is much simpler to add the extra points, as you aren't crossing anything out, just adding a unit or two, and maybe adding an asterix to a few units denoting additional upgrades. It keeps the page clean and easy to read. The trick is to keep the number of extra points small enough that a player isn't effectively re-writing the list. You don't want players having all small infantry, then bringing a Super-heavy with their bonus points, leaving the opponent sunk if they used all of their bonus points for anti-infantry weapons.

**Nite0fox**

Ghazkuul wrote:
I understand where your coming from, I have played against a guy who brought about 1200 pts of flyers and not much else and it was murderous to take that on.

Right!?! This! Exactly for this reason!

Im also not talking about my FLGS, of course I got friends and we all have a rough idea what others may bring, but at tournaments and such, it would be really useful. Just saying

I guess a downside to this would be even longer tournaments tho...

**greyknight12**

I said this a while back (when it was rumored to be part of 7th ed):

greyknight12 wrote:
Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.

**Bill1138**

greyknight12 wrote:
I said this a while back (when it was rumored to be part of 7th ed):

greyknight12 wrote:
Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.

This Princess Bride parody is the best thing I've seen on here yet. Bravo sir.

**Lanrak**

I think it would be better to have 2 list you simply choose from , after seeing your opponents 2 lists.

However it would be much better to expand the game play options a bit , and actually play test the options in the F.O.C to make them more balanced/fun to play in random pick up games and tournaments.

When the ayatem used to generate enough balance for fun random pick up games.(PV and F.O.C.),Just allow players to take any random collection of units and load outs, with no thought to the impact on game play.
Some thing has gone a bit wrong some where.