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 warboss wrote:

 Elmir wrote:
Are they though... I think they eldar "decurion" allows for 12 wraithknights....

Only CAD is limited to 1 (which you'd have to be an idiot to run, unless you want 2 full jetbike squads with obsec firing 40 S6 shots at 48"... for a mere 270p).

I think Phil Kelly needs to be fired at this point.

Two jetbike squads with a wraithknight and a psyker HQ sounds like a good thing to spam with multiple CAD.

That is what I been thinking. Multiple CADs, since we have a no restriction gaming group.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yup, now all we can do is hope somehow the data card was printed incorrectly in WD...somehow...

Isn't that what people were always saying about the wave serpent shield?

I'm just so shocked GW didn't do like people were saying and balance this codex out. Absolutely. Shocked.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm because following the Necron Codex I've given up hope of GW understanding the rules for their game,

Bonus points to GW if they make Banshees worse.

No new Banshee models, so the rules dont need updating.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

He posted pictures of himself holding the codex, its a couple pages back

Fine. My bad. Not familiar with his track record.

If what he is saying is true, then Eldar will be to 7th edition 40k what Chaos Demons were to 7th edition Fantasy.

I mean seriously, some of those formation bonuses make the Decurion seem tame. The Wraithknight is ridiculously undercosted. It should be almost 400 points, not 295!

Still, we haven't seen everything.

Dude needs to post pictures of the offending pages for me to believe.

 warboss wrote:
Yeah, I like your second suggestion. That list clearly doesn't have enough strength D and gargantuan creatures for a 6000pt apoc... I mean 1500pt normal 40k game (sorry, I get them confused now as they're the same thing). I'd go with two of that CAD and then more bikes and wraithguard as you said to finish out that fair and balanced small side of normal 40k list.

Heck, just

Jetseer - 115
Jetseer - 115
10 Jetbikes with SL - 270
10 Jetbikes with SL - 270
3 Jetbikes with SL - 81
3 Jetbikes with SL - 81
3 Jetbikes with SL - 81
3 Jetbikes with SL - 81
Wraithknight - 295
1389

Take 400-500 points of WG in Transports and/or Vaul's and you're good to go.

This codex is Matt Wards fevered dream made real.

 Nevelon wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Clearly GW just want the Eldar to be better, as befits a rare, dying race

if they were on par with the rest of the codexes too many Eldar warriors would be killed on the gaming tables of the world risking the whole race going extinct,

and that cannot be allowed as the clock is already at 2 minutes to midnight and cannot be allowed to advance further

Maybe GW are forging a narrative where they've decided on a corporate level to match production with the fluff and only a certain number of eldar can be punched out in plastic or gak out in finecast per year as befits a dying race. Every eldar model that dies on a tabletop in game anywhere subtracts from that total!?! Something clearly had to be done to save them.

The balance to the codex is that every time a non-wraith unit dies you need to physically destroy the model. Spiritseers have a new power that will let them “summon” wraith units using the soul stones from your casualties, assuming you have the minis to represent them.

Finecast will now be biodegradeable with a half life of 2 years max (to mesh of course with future codex releases). Even if you get a well cast one, it'll sag and start pock marking in the first year and be an unrecognizable ebay pro-painted meme quality model at 2 years to ensure that you, their valued customer, are always current with the latest sculpts whether you want them or not. Spees Marines will of course have an optional DLC that comes with a temporary stabilizing agent that extends the halflife by 6 months. Sisters of battle however will stay the same in metal at $40 a model.

Hollismason wrote:
This codex is Matt Wards fevered dream made real.

You're what... 2-3 years too late for that joke?

Hollismason wrote:
This codex is Matt Wards fevered dream made real.

Nope. The original Farsmeller of the Kraftworld Cheddar is Gav Thorpe. He even had a commerative special character figure made by the community in his likeness in honor of how fair and balanced the 3rd edition codex was (similar to this).

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

He posted pictures of himself holding the codex, its a couple pages back

Fine. My bad. Not familiar with his track record.

If what he is saying is true, then Eldar will be to 7th edition 40k what Chaos Demons were to 7th edition Fantasy.

I mean seriously, some of those formation bonuses make the Decurion seem tame. The Wraithknight is ridiculously undercosted. It should be almost 400 points, not 295!

Still, we haven't seen everything.

Dude needs to post pictures of the offending pages for me to believe.

Head in the sand approach eh?

They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

Which is probably the point. Not meant for competitive games, remember?

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

They set the stage for that 2 years ago with 6th edition. It was basically the primer coat for the 40k we know today.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Flying under the Radar is the Level 4 Warp Charge power that's a Apocalyptic Blast that wounds on a 2+ and has Haywire.

Compared to the rest of the dex that's like getting hit with a pillow.

It's not just that...

It's the fact now, in a normal codex power, there's an Apocalyptic Blast!!!!!!!

While I still don't think the Jetbikes are THAT bad and everyone was waaayyy over reacting about them, there is absolutely no denying that this new codex is seriously OP. I will continue playing my Eldar because I love them (yes I would marry them if I could) but I will be cycling between my 3 armies I think. Might not be using that second Wraith Knight I just traded for all that much either :/

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

He posted pictures of himself holding the codex, its a couple pages back

Fine. My bad. Not familiar with his track record.

If what he is saying is true, then Eldar will be to 7th edition 40k what Chaos Demons were to 7th edition Fantasy.

I mean seriously, some of those formation bonuses make the Decurion seem tame. The Wraithknight is ridiculously undercosted. It should be almost 400 points, not 295!

Still, we haven't seen everything.

Dude needs to post pictures of the offending pages for me to believe.

He also did the same thing with the Daemonkin codex and everything he posted was correct....soooooo I'd say you better just accept it.

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

Don't throw in the hat man... DE can be a hard counter.

WayneTheGame wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

Which is probably the point. Not meant for competitive games, remember?

Not like it's gonna be meant for friendly games anyways either, whats the point when half your army is pretty much overkill?

Oh man; Wraith Knight is 5 points LESS than ye olde (unplayed) Suncannon/Scattershield & Scatter laser combination! My ribs hurt from laughing.

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

They 'just' did this? So they didn't break it with Lords of War dropping giant ranged pieplates of D, they didn't do it with endlessly replicating daemon armies, they didn't do it with quadrupling the playing time with wound allocation and cover etc etc...

They 'just' broke competitive gaming for 40k? I thought they broke it with 6th ed, my mistake...

This codex is broken, please explain how this is even remotely a balanced codex.

Can't wait for the Apologists, this is garbage just garbage.

Hollismason wrote:
This codex is broken, please explain how this is even remotely a balanced codex.

Can't wait for the Apologists, this is garbage just garbage.

It's not. It's completely and utterly broken. So was Chaos 3.5. So were Eldar and Nids in 2nd Edition.

It's what GW does.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
They just broke the game as far as Competitive Gaming goes, there's no point to play the game in a competitive environment.

They 'just' did this? So they didn't break it with Lords of War dropping giant ranged pieplates of D, they didn't do it with endlessly replicating daemon armies, they didn't do it with quadrupling the playing time with wound allocation and cover etc etc...

They 'just' broke competitive gaming for 40k? I thought they broke it with 6th ed, my mistake...

Post 5th ruined the game.

They have a unwarranted nostalgic love for 2nd Edition so I'm not surprised they would make this codex.

This is incredible. I am astounded.

I don't want to be all 'I told you so', but...

Doom and Gloom.... Doom and Gloom

And yet 40k will continued to be played and everyone here now will continue to be playing and bitching on the forums in the future.

I have been playing this game since Rogue Trader...
Every time something new comes out it is DOOM and GLOOM
I remember when Space marines had T3 and 4up saves, I remember before terminators had 2up 5+
and when they changed it was game breaking... not really
I remember Nidzilla, Eldar Flying Circus, Space Wolf Drop Pods, Grey Knights in 5th "Breaking the Game", 2 up rerollable in 6th with Farseers / Councils and Tzeentch heralds and screamer stars...
People were bitching about serpent shields yet that did not win at Adepticon this year... The world is not ending!

Will the meta change as the game goes on? Sure.... Will we adapt? Will we change tournament missions to adapt to the meta change? Sure to all of those things....

Just Stay calm.

Hollismason wrote:
This codex is broken, please explain how this is even remotely a balanced codex.

Can't wait for the Apologists, this is garbage just garbage.

Consider it a challenge buddy!

I know you play CSM... bring helldrakes!

I know you play DE... use the null deployment options, and no-scatter DS wwp!!!

I play lotsa of Orks... we can saturate the table like nobody's business. You wanna bring max jetbikes on the table? Fine... come eat the GREEN TIDE!!!

Some kid is going to walk into a GW store, see some sweet looking space elfs on jetbikes, get into the game and think any other army with less power is garbage.

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Doom and Gloom.... Doom and Gloom

And yet 40k will continued to be played and everyone here now will continue to be playing and bitching on the forums in the future.

I have been playing this game since Rogue Trader...
Every time something new comes out it is DOOM and GLOOM
I remember when Space marines had T3 and 4up saves, I remember before terminators had 2up 5+
and when they changed it was game breaking... not really
I remember Nidzilla, Eldar Flying Circus, Space Wolf Drop Pods, Grey Knights in 5th "Breaking the Game", 2 up rerollable in 6th with Farseers / Councils and Tzeentch heralds and screamer stars...
People were bitching about serpent shields yet that did not win at Adepticon this year... The world is not ending!

Will the meta change as the game goes on? Sure.... Will we adapt? Will we change tournament missions to adapt to the meta change? Sure to all of those things....

Just Stay calm.

I genuinely think this is probably worse than most, if not all, of those. And just because Eldar didn't win Adepticon doesn't mean there weren't serious concerns about serpent shields.

I love it when serious concerns are just shrugged off as 'doom and gloom' 'the sky is falling' etc.

Think I'll pick up the codex and attempt to make an army probably with the CAD that includes my favourite units such as Rangers and scorpions and just pretty much ignore the strength D stuff, I like wraith units but I really couldn't bare to put them on the table now, I don't play competitively so there's no need to maximise my list, I feel really sorry for the people who genuinely like iyanden and have bought armies to show that. Now the dyeing craft world of the dyeing race is going to be the most populous in every competitive environment.
GW should have stuck with the supplements for sub factions, released one for alaitoc with new Rangers, released one for saim-hann with new jetbikes and when it came to updating the core codex released a supplement for biel-tan with plastic aspects along side it with rules that had you play a fluffy army but buffs to the units so it still made taking them more often as a viable option, more balanced game, plenty of options, more new kits, more happy fans.

I can't believe this...this...this...madness.

I wouldn't play anybody who runs a Wriathknight. Or wraith anything. Or mass jetbikes. Or any Lord of War really.

Just don't play eldar.

Game over.

I love this codex.

Come on, Eldar, let's burn this game DOWN!