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 MajorStoffer wrote:
What I find amusing is many people, not so much in this thread but elsewhere, saying "Oh, this will rebalance the Eldar into something more reasonable; makes sense with SM and Tau also in the works; they can nerf their overperforming units."

I might have agreed with you at one point.

but then Necrons happened.

And it's not entirely just Necrons now. We've also got this new Khorne codex that's full of formations and a formation of formations, just like the Necrons. I think we can expect this to happen with all of the new books now.

Via an Anymonous Source on Faeit 212 (So SALT.)
Expect the next Eldar book to follow the same formula, a primary detachment of one Autarch, two Guardian Defender squads, one Dire Avenger Squad, and one squad of Jet bikes, and then a formation for each of the aspect warriors and their respective phoenix lord, a tank formation, a wrath formation, a ranger formation, Vypes with a tax, crimson hunters, Avatar with a tax, and then a Farseer with Warlocks for a command detachment.

That just sounds like someone chatting about possibilities. Do we have an 'educated guess' tracker?


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
What I find amusing is many people, not so much in this thread but elsewhere, saying "Oh, this will rebalance the Eldar into something more reasonable; makes sense with SM and Tau also in the works; they can nerf their overperforming units."

I might have agreed with you at one point.

but then Necrons happened.

And it's not entirely just Necrons now. We've also got this new Khorne codex that's full of formations and a formation of formations, just like the Necrons. I think we can expect this to happen with all of the new books now.

Are Necrons considered OP now? All the recent books seem pretty balanced once everything settled down.

The Decurion thing that gives everything 4+ RP is considered pretty OP, yes, especially with Wraiths remaining so good without buffs.

Not to mention Flayed Ones and Lychguard. Yes, Necrons are better in melee than pretty much everyone else in the game, and have infinitely superior Genestealers in Flayed Ones.

 Verviedi wrote:
Via an Anymonous Source on Faeit 212 (So SALT.)
Expect the next Eldar book to follow the same formula, a primary detachment of one Autarch, two Guardian Defender squads, one Dire Avenger Squad, and one squad of Jet bikes, and then a formation for each of the aspect warriors and their respective phoenix lord, a tank formation, a wrath formation, a ranger formation, Vypes with a tax, crimson hunters, Avatar with a tax, and then a Farseer with Warlocks for a command detachment.

I really like this set up. I guess I'm unusual that I prefer Formations over 'just take the best you can put together'. Feels more structured to me without taking away the personal twists that people can put on it. Specifically, I see it as more fluff, less competitive. That's a plus in my book. So this rumor in particular I hope pans out.

But I am friggin scared of what they'll do to our troops. If I lose Pathfinders, which aren't popular and very niche since it's only Alaitoc that fields them fluffy with a Special Character... I'm already resigned to Jetbikes losing Troop status, but troops seem less important these days. I don't think they'll change rules wise since Jetbike Movement is in the BRB, not the Codex.

I like the big formation full of formations because it reminds me of the Epic card system.

Now, just fix the damned Wave Serpent (put that shield blast as 6" like it was probably meant to be), and make most of the Aspects not suck any more and we should get a better book.

My concern is GW is historically very bad at admitting its mistakes, explicitly or tacitly, and such a big swing on the WS (while perfectly logical and much needed) would be tantamount to admitting they got it very wrong.

Fingers crossed that someone with authority is involved who still places at least some value on the integrity of the game.

If the Serpent Shield is gone then the air defense Scatter Laser type, I can't remember the name, has to make another appearance. That Serpent was the only defense against flyers we have other than the paper flyers we can take. If they take it, we have to get an equivalent.

Hehe rumour time. Eldar are coming, but that release list? Err no. 40k release list for the next year and abit ahoy!

Eldar
Week1: Plastic Jetbikes/Shining Spears
Week 2: Clampack Autarch and Codex

Dark Angels
Week 1: Tac Squad and Codex
Week 2: Summer Campaign Book Volume 1: Eldar Admech and DA vs Khorne

Tzeentch
Week 1: New Daemon Unit
Week 2: Lord of Change
Week 3: Rubric Marines + Campaign Book Volume 2 (DA, Admech, Eldar, Harlequins + Khorne and Tzeentch)(Including a Tzeentch Daemonkin type supplement + rules for the new units.)
Week 4: Campaign Box: Clampack Sorceror and Chaplain

Assassin Boxed Game
Plastic Assassins.

Tau
Week1: Campaign Box: Tau vs RG (Plastic Commander and Captain)
Week2: Clampack Ethereal and Codex

Deathwatch
Week 1: Plastic Marines
Week 2: Plastic Termies
Week 3: Plastic Vehicle, Codex
Week 4: Clampack Watch Captain

Genestealer Cult
Week1: Hybrids
Week2: Limo, Codex
Week3: Clampack Patriarch, Magus and Broodlord re-release
Genestealers included in dex.

Horus Heresy
Week 1: Boxed game.

Apocalypse
Week 1: Plastic Nid Dominatrix
Week 2: Plastic Dias of Destruction. (Including Vect and plastic Court.)
Week 3: Apocalypse Book.

Tyranids
Week1: Codex. Dominatrix added, Genestealers removed.

And every thing is abit vague after that for me. But after that will be more Admech, Horus Heresy, Space Marines inc; Assault Squad, Sisters, Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff.

That sounds splendid, but am I right in saying that nothing you've predicted has yet come to pass? (In terms of it hasn't happened yet, not that you've been proven wrong)

 Azreal13 wrote:
That sounds splendid, but am I right in saying that nothing you've predicted has yet come to pass? (In terms of it hasn't happened yet, not that you've been proven wrong)

I said Admech, specifically Skitarii, would come within the year. Voila. I was also the first person to mention Tzeentch and DA stuff this year which was later confirmed by Hastings.

You have a right to be cautious and please do be by all means. But while GW destroy Fantasy (I actually loved the ET series but once I realised it truly was over. Damn...) they're doing everything right in 40k.

I still don't have a good picture on what's going on with Fantasy now so my rumours for 9th will always be abit vague and perhaps a little off. Then again I have little interest in pestering ahem*digging*ahem for info anymore. 40k has an amazing future however...

I'm still standing by what I said originally about a plastic servitor being released for Admech, we'll see it either in the next few weeks or next year.

Genestealers removed would mean that every (exaggeration) Tyranid player there is would be forced to collect another army to use their 40+ models for. Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand, Genestealer Cults were a guaranteed purchase for me, but on the other, that's a lot of models that require another purchased book to even use anymore, on top of the new Codex. Gonna hurt, so I hope they're worth it. And I better be able to paint Zebra stripes on the Limo carrying the Patriarch. If there's no room for Zebra stripes, I'll be pissed.

But, this is Eldar. No room for Zebra stripes on Eldar without looking tacky.

Genestealer Cult is BB with Tyranids, problem mostly solved. (Just need an HQ for a GC allied contingent)

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Week1: Codex. Dominatrix added, Genestealers removed.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Genestealers removed.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
... removed.

There. Will. Be. Blood.

Genestealers...removed?

They've been there and staple in the list since 2nd edition.

I highly doubt they're going to be removed.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Codex: Jetbike Where eldar get the same old model but nice a nice increase in price due to the new special rules nobody asked. I'm dying to have jetbikes with fleet and relentless.

M.

I find this the most likely situation from the GW I am familiar with. Even if they get resculpted, they will see an automatic price hike.

That's the problem with wanting plastic Aspects. Do we as Eldar players really want Aspect models that could possibly cost even MORE than the Finecast ones? They are already highway robbery.

I'll believe the Tzeentch Daemonkin rumors when I see models and a book...

I'm not a fan of Genestealer cults, but I'm okay with Genestealers being removed from the main Tyranid book if that means they'll actually be good.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
That's the problem with wanting plastic Aspects. Do we as Eldar players really want Aspect models that will cost even MORE than the Finecast ones? They are already highway robbery.

Yes.

That release schedule looks too good to be true. Awesome if true, even if partially.

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Hehe rumour time. Eldar are coming, but that release list? Err no. 40k release list for the next year and abit ahoy!

Spoiler:

Eldar
Week1: Plastic Jetbikes/Shining Spears
Week 2: Clampack Autarch and Codex

Dark Angels
Week 1: Tac Squad and Codex
Week 2: Summer Campaign Book Volume 1: Eldar Admech and DA vs Khorne

Tzeentch
Week 1: New Daemon Unit
Week 2: Lord of Change
Week 3: Rubric Marines + Campaign Book Volume 2 (DA, Admech, Eldar, Harlequins + Khorne and Tzeentch)(Including a Tzeentch Daemonkin type supplement + rules for the new units.)
Week 4: Campaign Box: Clampack Sorceror and Chaplain

Assassin Boxed Game
Plastic Assassins.

Tau
Week1: Campaign Box: Tau vs RG (Plastic Commander and Captain)
Week2: Clampack Ethereal and Codex

Deathwatch
Week 1: Plastic Marines
Week 2: Plastic Termies
Week 3: Plastic Vehicle, Codex
Week 4: Clampack Watch Captain

Genestealer Cult
Week1: Hybrids
Week2: Limo, Codex
Week3: Clampack Patriarch, Magus and Broodlord re-release
Genestealers included in dex.

Horus Heresy
Week 1: Boxed game.

Apocalypse
Week 1: Plastic Nid Dominatrix
Week 2: Plastic Dias of Destruction. (Including Vect and plastic Court.)
Week 3: Apocalypse Book.

Tyranids
Week1: Codex. Dominatrix added, Genestealers removed.

And every thing is abit vague after that for me. But after that will be more Admech, Horus Heresy, Space Marines inc; Assault Squad, Sisters, Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff.

Its a nice list. Why is the first campaign 3 linked groups and the second a bit up in the air ( Raven Guard without dex/supplement ? ) ? Thought everything got some follow up stuff....

Is there a risk that if there are no models for Farseers/Warlocks on jetbikes that these options will be dropped?

Perhaps we'll see jetbikes, and a Shining Spear/Warlocks dual kit.

 1hadhq wrote:

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Hehe rumour time. Eldar are coming, but that release list? Err no. 40k release list for the next year and abit ahoy!

Spoiler:

Eldar
Week1: Plastic Jetbikes/Shining Spears
Week 2: Clampack Autarch and Codex

Dark Angels
Week 1: Tac Squad and Codex
Week 2: Summer Campaign Book Volume 1: Eldar Admech and DA vs Khorne

Tzeentch
Week 1: New Daemon Unit
Week 2: Lord of Change
Week 3: Rubric Marines + Campaign Book Volume 2 (DA, Admech, Eldar, Harlequins + Khorne and Tzeentch)(Including a Tzeentch Daemonkin type supplement + rules for the new units.)
Week 4: Campaign Box: Clampack Sorceror and Chaplain

Assassin Boxed Game
Plastic Assassins.

Tau
Week1: Campaign Box: Tau vs RG (Plastic Commander and Captain)
Week2: Clampack Ethereal and Codex

Deathwatch
Week 1: Plastic Marines
Week 2: Plastic Termies
Week 3: Plastic Vehicle, Codex
Week 4: Clampack Watch Captain

Genestealer Cult
Week1: Hybrids
Week2: Limo, Codex
Week3: Clampack Patriarch, Magus and Broodlord re-release
Genestealers included in dex.

Horus Heresy
Week 1: Boxed game.

Apocalypse
Week 1: Plastic Nid Dominatrix
Week 2: Plastic Dias of Destruction. (Including Vect and plastic Court.)
Week 3: Apocalypse Book.

Tyranids
Week1: Codex. Dominatrix added, Genestealers removed.

And every thing is abit vague after that for me. But after that will be more Admech, Horus Heresy, Space Marines inc; Assault Squad, Sisters, Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff.

Its a nice list. Why is the first campaign 3 linked groups and the second a bit up in the air ( Raven Guard without dex/supplement ? ) ? Thought everything got some follow up stuff....

For the 2nd half of the list other than what I listed I'm a little hazy on the details. Dates, order etc. Common sense would dictate the new C.SM dex dropping with the box set, but I haven't anything other than: "New Assault Squad." I'm a little reluctant to say this is coming at X time if I'm not even 70% sure. It could also just be down to GW's love of tacking Space Marines onto everything.

For what's worth I heard the story of the campaign was along the lines of this:



Assault Squad is a 100% certainty. Jes was working on it at the time the last codex was released!

That's quite the release schedule, if it pans out to be true it will be quite the year for GW.

If it pans out, I wonder if this will be an Eldar codex supplement or a proper codex. If it's the latter, I'm guessing the nerfs will drastically change the 40k meta.

If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

Splog wrote:
Is there a risk that if there are no models for Farseers/Warlocks on jetbikes that these options will be dropped?

Almost certainly.

The smart thing to do would be to include a witchblade, singing spear and Warlock/Farseer torso on the new jetbike sprue... but yeah I don't see that happening.

I love how people get hung up on the Genestealers being removed.

The thing that does it for me? Rubric Marines.

We didn't get new Khorne Berzerkers, I have no reason to believe we'll be getting any new cult troops in plastic at all.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong, as new Noise Marines and Rubric Marines would get me back into Chaos, but not till I see it happen.

Everything else is believable, but I could have put something together pretty similar looking at the current rumors that we had before this :I

 WhispererofTruth wrote:
Hehe rumour time. Eldar are coming, but that release list? Err no. 40k release list for the next year and abit ahoy!

Spoiler:

Eldar
Week1: Plastic Jetbikes/Shining Spears
Week 2: Clampack Autarch and Codex

Dark Angels
Week 1: Tac Squad and Codex
Week 2: Summer Campaign Book Volume 1: Eldar Admech and DA vs Khorne

Tzeentch
Week 1: New Daemon Unit
Week 2: Lord of Change
Week 3: Rubric Marines + Campaign Book Volume 2 (DA, Admech, Eldar, Harlequins + Khorne and Tzeentch)(Including a Tzeentch Daemonkin type supplement + rules for the new units.)
Week 4: Campaign Box: Clampack Sorceror and Chaplain

Assassin Boxed Game
Plastic Assassins.

Tau
Week1: Campaign Box: Tau vs RG (Plastic Commander and Captain)
Week2: Clampack Ethereal and Codex

Deathwatch
Week 1: Plastic Marines
Week 2: Plastic Termies
Week 3: Plastic Vehicle, Codex
Week 4: Clampack Watch Captain

Genestealer Cult
Week1: Hybrids
Week2: Limo, Codex
Week3: Clampack Patriarch, Magus and Broodlord re-release
Genestealers included in dex.

Horus Heresy
Week 1: Boxed game.

Apocalypse
Week 1: Plastic Nid Dominatrix
Week 2: Plastic Dias of Destruction. (Including Vect and plastic Court.)
Week 3: Apocalypse Book.

Tyranids
Week1: Codex. Dominatrix added, Genestealers removed.

And every thing is abit vague after that for me. But after that will be more Admech, Horus Heresy, Space Marines inc; Assault Squad, Sisters, Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff.

I hope half of that (namely the codex parts) isn't true as invalidating codex releases in less than 3 years from first pub is disgusting... yet completely in character with GW given their 7th edition release.

Wave Serpent nerf bat swinging? Riptide nerf bat?

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
If Genestealers get removed from the main codex, I'll just use my models as Hormagaunts. I don't have any actual Hormagaunt minis since I convert them all to Termagants.
I really like that release schedule, but there's next to nothing that's going to get me to use more than one codex for the same army.

genestealers won't get removed from the 'nid dex just because they're also in the GS cult list. that'd be like removing scions from the AM 'dex because of the Scions 'dex