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 CrownAxe wrote:

Chaospling wrote:
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I will be using the Possessed Marines squad to share the Blood of the Blood God rule with a character. The character will apparently not benefit from the rule if he's in a challenge, but if he's chosen to destroy enemy units it's nice that I will get Blood Points in addition to the kill. Yes they still need a form of transport, but I needed a transport for the character no matter what. A Land Raider with 1st War of Armageddon will fit this army nicely.

Daemonkin are not a CSM codex so can't take any Legacies or IA vehicles

Oops, missed that line! Thanks!


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 GoonBandito wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
What was the cost of the Possessed?

Oh does the regular Cad have any bonuses ?

Possessed are 4pts/model more expensive than in Codex: Chaos Space Marines. This takes into account the cost of the Mark of Khorne (3pts/model for Possessed) and the Demon of Khorne (apparently priced at 1pt/model for Possessed) rules. Minimum squad is 5 for 150pts.

A regular CAD is a regular CAD... same as the Base Rule Book. The only Detachment in the Demonkin book is the Blood Host (Decurion Style thing) and the 5 Formations that can either be included in the Blood Host or separately like any other formation.

Auxiliary (1-8 choices per Slaughtercult

So the formations can be taken on their own in any number, or 1-8 if part of a Blood Host?

Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

 jpjupiter wrote:
I already have my Deathstar planned if we can mix demons and marines.... Blood Cult, with a squad of 15-20 strong berzerkers (+1 S on charge, 5 WS), and a Herald with the Locus of Fury ( Rage = +2 A on charge). Then a CAD including Kharn (warlord trait, gives a unit he joins Hatred, re-roll failed to hit in 1st round of combat) and throw them all in a Spartan Assault tank with the Legacy of Ruin, Maelstrom rider, so the vehicle has outflank. Heads are gonna roll,if this is legal ;p

Well Chaos Space Marine Berserkers will get Rage with the Blood Points so you may not have to do all of that . Exalted Locus or whatever.

I think there's not a lot of oppurtunity to have a Deathstar with this codex unfortunately.

However I do think there's a possibility of Doing a almost all mobile force.

Do we know what the options for the Chaos Marine Squad are? 2 Special weapons in a 8 man squad possibly?




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Someone pointed it out but you can have a better version of Smashgakker in this army.

Chaos Lord w/ 2 Powerfists
Juggernaut
Sigil
The Eternal Warrior , FNP


He has 7 attacks on the charge and if you give him the +1 from the chart it's even more.

Why would you give him 2 power fists instead of a power fist and lightning claw?

Hollismason wrote:
Do we know what the options for the Chaos Marine Squad are? 2 Special weapons in a 8 man squad possibly?

Same as Codex: Chaos Space Marines - 1 special in 5, another special or heavy at 10

Also, to whoever was asking, Rhinos and Land Raiders do have the Blood for the Blood God rule which creates some fun: Flat Out your Rhino towards the enemy and if they pop it, well thank you very much for the Blood Tithe point.

No 2+ save ... So no I don't think you can build a deathstar anywhere near as good as marines. (Also no grimoire and no belakor...So I would ally those in)

Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

Do you (and anybody else) like the new codex?

I don't like it - I'm disappointed which results in no new purchases of books or models and I hope they'll lose money on this product.

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

The points are a few pages back, for the weapons and the power armor at least. The fear one probably isn't worth it anyway.

KaptinBadrukk wrote:Do you (and anybody else) like the new codex?

I do like it, I try to field a multiple units assault on my CSM army with MoN (bikes), MoK (AoBF & Spawns), markless raptors, markless marines on rhinos with special weapons, etc, etc.

So this codex lets me keep pretty much everything, except the sorcerer that usually runs with the bikes, for a more durable army with the blood tithe points, better warlord traits than the CSM, get rid of the damn chaos boon table, and when in trouble ask khorne for a hand to reinforce the army. I like it just because it is less awful than the CSM one, which honestly any book could be. I do miss the VotLW thou

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

The points are a few pages back, for the weapons and the power armor at least. The fear one probably isn't worth it anyway.

I'm only seeing the point costs for the armor, and somewhere else someone mentioned 60 points for the bloodthirster axe. That is only 2 out of 6.

Please provide a link if I've missed something.

So if I'm reading Blood Tithe right, if a unit with a character (such as a sgt) is wiped out, that gives 2 tithe points? A unit was wiped out and a character was wiped out. That could get insane with min sized cultist squads.

Take the slaughter cult to generate a point each turn, then take a CAD with nothing but min-sized cultist units with squad leader. Run the cultists spread out and straight at your opponent. Your opponent can kill them, generating a boat load of Blood Tithe points, or ignore them, which allows them to secure objectives (because they are from the CAD), tie up units in assault, and provide cover saves to the mortal units behind them. Win-Win!

I thought that the characters had to die/kill in challenges to get the point?

and the slaughtercult isn't a CAD, no no objective secured.

That's a poorly placed comma, but yes. Sounds like two per unit with a character.

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

The points are a few pages back, for the weapons and the power armor at least. The fear one probably isn't worth it anyway.

I'm only seeing the point costs for the armor, and somewhere else someone mentioned 60 points for the bloodthirster axe. That is only 2 out of 6.

Please provide a link if I've missed something.

Mozzamanx wrote:


3 weapons: 30, 35 and 60 points for each.
1 Relic per character. Very explicit here.

so 30 for the axe that grows with kills, 35 for the sword and 60 for the BT axe, 50 pts on the amour

Can the auxiliary formations be taken without using a Blood Host/ slaughtercult?

Mmmm actually, did the warptalons got the possessed threatment? +4pts, since they are daemons as well as CSM.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:Can Daemon Princes take close combat weapons, or only Artefacts/Gifts of Khorne or whatever?

Can we get point costs for all the artefacts, please?

The points are a few pages back, for the weapons and the power armor at least. The fear one probably isn't worth it anyway.

I'm only seeing the point costs for the armor, and somewhere else someone mentioned 60 points for the bloodthirster axe. That is only 2 out of 6.

Please provide a link if I've missed something.

Mozzamanx wrote:


3 weapons: 30, 35 and 60 points for each.
1 Relic per character. Very explicit here.

so 30 for the axe that grows with kills, 35 for the sword and 60 for the BT axe, 50 pts on the amour

D'oh! Thank you.

The 30 pt axe is the clear winner, here. I guess against weakling xenos the sword could be good, too.

One of the Artifacts is Goredrinker, which has a weird and badly written rule. At the beginning of your turn the rule kicks in and has permanent and cumulative affects to the character, including +1S and DOUBLING your strength.

RAW, the bearer's strength can be doubled every turn, without limits.

Except for that max 10 thing.

 JimOnMars wrote:
One of the Artifacts is Goredrinker, which has a weird and badly written rule. At the beginning of your turn the rule kicks in and has permanent and cumulative affects to the character, including +1S and DOUBLING your strength.

RAW, the bearer's strength can be doubled every turn, without limits.

Gosh that would mean anything whatsoever if it didn't set the total to 10 the first time.

 pretre wrote:
Except for that max 10 thing.

Yes, unless Codex > BRB...

Not that I think anyone rules it that way.

Linked image, originally from FAEIT (mod please delete if against TOS):

http://imgur.com/84cnhDX,Fod42q3,JFvKWtt,Cu41vO6,gv6n6iQ,8u84u9r,eEiK1xa#0

The codex doesn't give you a specific exception to ignore max 10.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:



D'oh! Thank you.

The 30 pt axe is the clear winner, here. I guess against weakling xenos the sword could be good, too.

Yeah, the best of the artifact weapons, still I'm not sure if it is really a good choice. I mean, being unwieldy at 30 pts, means yoo are paying 5 points more than a power fist, for striking at the same Init, but one more attack at S5.

In the charge the juggy would get, 6 PF attacks or 7 Power Axe Attacks, against MEQ you get to do 3.33 wounds with a PF and 2.33 with the axe, assuming no invuls are on whatever you are charging you now have S6 hopefully rampage on your axe, for 5 more points than a PF. Which at S8 alrdy instant death marine characters.

On the next round you'll have rampage of sure, since now the axe does 3.11 wounds to MEQ, compared to 3.33 from the PF. The tally should be at 6 at this point where the S is doubled and therefore S10, now you are doing 3.88 wounds instead of 3.33 from the PF and it is a better weapon, it however costs 5 points more and needs at least 2 rounds of CC with non-invul.

I guess it's an OK artifact but still pretty close to a power fist, against heavy T5+ armies the PF will become a better option everytime since it'll take longer to achieve the tally.

I'm thinking of a Daemon Prince equipped with it. Shouldn't take too long to rack up those points.

I am mostly not impressed with this release. Mostly...
I have wanted to run some Khorne daemons alongside my chaos marine warband for a while, but there didn't seem to be a good way to do it.This book fixes that pretty nicely. My Juggerlord can finally charge into battle with a group of blood crushers
Getting to ignore daemonic instability isn't bad either. I'm going to ignore the formations and just run two CADs, I think. Won't be getting many blood points, but I don't think you will ever generate very many anyways.
Also looking forward to a daemon prince that will hopefully not get gacked to quickly.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
I'm thinking of a Daemon Prince equipped with it. Shouldn't take too long to rack up those points.

Yah, the DP would be great with it, BUT, if the only 1 relic is true as it has been said already, I think the 3+SV, Eternal Warrior, FnP armor for 50 is a lot better for a DP than the axe. Several times have my DPs get killed by a walker, or a force weapon. The armor being 50 pts is expensive for a marine but for a DP who needs to pay 30 pts for his normal power armor, paying only 20 more for EW & FnP is a no-brainer.

If they can take both that would be sweet

Just take a list with 2 princes, then.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Just take a list with 2 princes, then.

One should have diamonds in his pockets.
One should want to buy you rockets.

Niiice

What do the different types of bloodthirsters do differently than the old one?