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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/28 08:23:22
Subject: Space marines and heavy flamers
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I'm sure it's obvious so I'm sorry but why can't space marines other than stern guard take heavy flamers. Or can they? I thought maybe I'm missing something but I'd like to take heavy flamers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/28 08:37:50
Subject: Space marines and heavy flamers
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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nope, they cant. as to why? because gw logic thats why. though blood angels are an exception because they are hot headed and love fire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/28 09:44:01
Subject: Re:Space marines and heavy flamers
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If you want a bit of historical context and fluff, way back in 2nd edition quite a bit of the gear SM now carry around was only usable by terminators.
Lightning claws and thunderhammer/ stormshield needed too much power for the SM armor to provide, had to be hooked into terminator armor. I think you could get lightning claws for dreadnoughts, but not thunderhammers, or stormshields.
Assault cannons could only be carried by dreadnoughts, vehicles and terminator armor. The weight, recoil, and ammo needed was too much even for a SM to carry.
Heavy flamers were also dreadnought, vehicle and terminator armor as well. I don't remember a fluff reason why SM couldn't carry them, maybe the fuel and base unit too heavy.
Just seems like GW keeps taking thing away from terminators that made them special, without giving them anything back. At this point feels like the venerable terminator needs a redesign or retirement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/28 10:03:05
Subject: Space marines and heavy flamers
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Because they need something to make Blood Angels special.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/28 12:56:32
Subject: Re:Space marines and heavy flamers
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Rumbleguts wrote:Lightning claws and thunderhammer/ stormshield needed too much power for the SM armor to provide, had to be hooked into terminator armor. I think you could get lightning claws for dreadnoughts, but not thunderhammers, or stormshields.
Lightning claws were available to power armour as well. Bjorn was the only dreadnought that had one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/29 06:30:07
Subject: Space marines and heavy flamers
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But currently Sternguard and terminators can take them correct? Same with legion of the damned. Seems off tacticals can't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/29 06:43:00
Subject: Space marines and heavy flamers
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Tunneling Trygon
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It can seem however it wants to seem. GW is under no obligation to make logical sense with their rules. I point you towards the Terminator being just as 'hidden' by nineteen trees, seven squads of other models and 98% obscured by a building and a fence as it would be standing two inches in front of the shooter. That 2+ save doesn't change. Logical? Nope, but them's the rules.
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