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2015/10/28 16:24:55
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Paradigm wrote: It's out now, so while I haven't seen the film and probably won't for a bit, I've edited the title with spoiler warnings so feel free to discuss the movie here and save on duplicate threads.
Not much discussion going on. I must be the only person on dakka who's watched it
Well, what can I say except it was pretty good. If you liked skyfall, you'll like this. If you didn't like skyfall, then there's no hope for you
As for plot, I can safely say that I'm not spoiling anything by revealing there was a villain, fast cars, and faster women...and a helicopter.
Same as any other Bond film. Still love them, though
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2015/11/02 10:00:07
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
But a lot of the fight scenes just felt kind of ... flat ..? ... or not especially gripping.
Monica Bellucci is criminally underused, I much preferred her character than Dr Swan.
To much hand waving plot wise and some really odd decisions in parts too.
Almost felt like a tribute act, if you follow.
Kingsmen was a much film overall.
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2015/11/02 13:58:13
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
YES! A villain with a secret base in a crater! Something that's been criminally missing from the last few films.
OK, the plot was a little weak - an awful lot of stuff was either assumed or left on the cutting room floor. It managed to crack on pretty well, though.
Given who the head of British Intelligence was, though, a cameo from Benedict Cumberbatch or Mark Gatiss wouldn't have gone amiss,
Spoiler:
It wasn;t until the white cat showed up that I was sure they were reintroducing Blofeld. WIth hindsight, the Nehru jacket gave it away, too.
2015/11/02 16:56:55
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
But a lot of the fight scenes just felt kind of ... flat ..? ... or not especially gripping.
Monica Bellucci is criminally underused, I much preferred her character than Dr Swan.
To much hand waving plot wise and some really odd decisions in parts too.
Almost felt like a tribute act, if you follow.
Kingsmen was a much film overall.
Just been and watched it again, and yeah, it does seem a bit Roger Moore-ish in parts, but hell, this is Bond. You knew the plot before you even walked into the cinema!
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AndrewGPaul wrote: YES! A villain with a secret base in a crater! Something that's been criminally missing from the last few films.
OK, the plot was a little weak - an awful lot of stuff was either assumed or left on the cutting room floor. It managed to crack on pretty well, though.
Given who the head of British Intelligence was, though, a cameo from Benedict Cumberbatch or Mark Gatiss wouldn't have gone amiss,
Spoiler:
It wasn;t until the white cat showed up that I was sure they were reintroducing Blofeld. WIth hindsight, the Nehru jacket gave it away, too.
Comparisons were made with QOS, but SPECTRE was far superior to that.
Spoiler:
Glad they left you know who alive at the end. Too good a villain to kill...again!
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2015/11/03 00:32:36
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Sounds like I won't need to waste 2hrs of my life on this then. I think Casino Royale is the best one of the Craig series. I'm not really a fan of this Sam Mendes director. It feels a lot like he's trying too hard and it ruins the end result.
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Sam Smith has an awful whiney voice and ruined quite a good intro.
Bond gets no gadgets.
You shouldn't throw someone off a train tied to a load of beer kegs without making a quip.
Meh.
The End.
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2015/11/03 16:24:39
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
In a word. Fantastic. In two, bloody fantastic! Or so I thought at least! I thought the whole thing was really rather spectacular (SPECTRE-tacular?) in all departments really! It even tops Skyfall!
Spoiler:
In particular, I liked the fact that it brought together all the loose ends from the last 3 films to really cement all 4 together; you could watch Casino, Quantum, Skyfall and this together and it would tell a 'complete' story that can then go forward into more classic Bond.
Ralph Finnes definitely passes the test as M, Judi Dench was a tough act to follow but he pulled it off. Nice to see the supporting cast of him, Tanner, Q and Moneypenny getting involved more this time, rather than just backing up Bond from a desk.
Opening title visuals were excellent, loved the flashbacks/references to the last 3 films. Shame about the song, it was musically and lyrically quite good but the performance was terrible. Lower the whole thing by an octave or two and get someone who could sing and it could have been great.
I did feel Andrew Scott was somewhat underused once Oberhauser/Blofeld came onto the scene, but that's only a minor point. The only major 'issue' I had was the drill thing being mentioned as messing up Bond's balance, hearing and coordination and still he was able to escape gunning down the entirety of SPECTRE's security with single shots... but if anyone can do that, it's Bond, so you won't find me complaining!
In short, it can enjoy being the best film of 2015 (sorry, Age of Ultron) until December 16th....
2015/11/03 17:34:29
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Paradigm wrote: In a word. Fantastic. In two, bloody fantastic! Or so I thought at least! I thought the whole thing was really rather spectacular (SPECTRE-tacular?) in all departments really! It even tops Skyfall!
Spoiler:
In particular, I liked the fact that it brought together all the loose ends from the last 3 films to really cement all 4 together; you could watch Casino, Quantum, Skyfall and this together and it would tell a 'complete' story that can then go forward into more classic Bond.
Ralph Finnes definitely passes the test as M, Judi Dench was a tough act to follow but he pulled it off. Nice to see the supporting cast of him, Tanner, Q and Moneypenny getting involved more this time, rather than just backing up Bond from a desk.
Opening title visuals were excellent, loved the flashbacks/references to the last 3 films. Shame about the song, it was musically and lyrically quite good but the performance was terrible. Lower the whole thing by an octave or two and get someone who could sing and it could have been great.
I did feel Andrew Scott was somewhat underused once Oberhauser/Blofeld came onto the scene, but that's only a minor point. The only major 'issue' I had was the drill thing being mentioned as messing up Bond's balance, hearing and coordination and still he was able to escape gunning down the entirety of SPECTRE's security with single shots... but if anyone can do that, it's Bond, so you won't find me complaining!
In short, it can enjoy being the best film of 2015 (sorry, Age of Ultron) until December 16th....
Agree about the tying up of loose ends. I this was done deliberately to not only tie up the story arc, but to allow Daniel Craig to retire.
We're getting a new Bond.
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Alex Kolodotschko wrote: Sam Smith has an awful whiney voice and ruined quite a good intro.
Bond gets no gadgets.
You shouldn't throw someone off a train tied to a load of beer kegs without making a quip.
Meh.
The End.
Bond films having rubbish theme tunes is not exactly new
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2015/11/03 17:40:25
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
So who for the next Bond, then? My vote would go to Michael Fassbender, or failing that, Tom Hiddleston. I think either of them could pull it off, but I'd rather have a more mature actor to follow on where Craig leaves off.
2015/11/03 17:42:28
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Paradigm wrote: So who for the next Bond, then? My vote would go to Michael Fassbender, or failing that, Tom Hiddleston. I think either of them could pull it off, but I'd rather have a more mature actor to follow on where Craig leaves off.
I'm thinking Christian Bale or...Hugh Jackman
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2015/11/08 23:15:54
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
It has all the parts that make it sound great on paper but it just felt 'meh' to me; it felt more like I should like the film than actually liking it. I'm glad I saw it but it just didn't seem like the disparate parts made up a whole.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2015/11/09 11:53:52
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I've yet to hear of anybody take up the challenge of watching every Bond film back to back.
I'm going to give it a go over the Christmas holidays, finishing with a trip to the cinema to watch SPECTRE...again
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2015/11/11 02:16:13
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I guess this is a bit spoilerish so I will put it in spoilers. Even though Craig has said he was done one of the Bond producers disagreed. Sam Mendes also said he would direct another Bond film after Skyfall either so who knows.
Spoiler:
Honestly I would be fine if Craig does one more film that ties it all up in that we don't know with certainty that Hinx (Dave Bautista) is dead for sure and Blofeld is still alive. If the next film started with Hinx killing the girl Bond went off with at the end of SPECTRE. It would be even better if they were married as in the original films and book as Blofeld is directly responsible for the death of Bond's wife. While Bond is dealing with that henchman break Blofeld out of wherever they are keeping him. After all this the chase is on to find and stop SPECTRE and Blofeld. In the end Bond would fight Hinx and barely defeat him, then have to fight Blofeld. It would be a bit fairer as Bond would be pretty messed up after the Hinx fight. Personally I would have them pull a Death of Sherlock Holmes and have Blofeld and Bond kill each other, thus giving Bond a noble sacrifice and bringing the Craig era to an official end. They could then start over without concern.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2015/11/11 08:56:49
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Ahtman wrote: I guess this is a bit spoilerish so I will put it in spoilers. Even though Craig has said he was done one of the Bond producers disagreed. Sam Mendes also said he would direct another Bond film after Skyfall either so who knows.
Spoiler:
Honestly I would be fine if Craig does one more film that ties it all up in that we don't know with certainty that Hinx (Dave Bautista) is dead for sure and Blofeld is still alive. If the next film started with Hinx killing the girl Bond went off with at the end of SPECTRE. It would be even better if they were married as in the original films and book as Blofeld is directly responsible for the death of Bond's wife. While Bond is dealing with that henchman break Blofeld out of wherever they are keeping him. After all this the chase is on to find and stop SPECTRE and Blofeld. In the end Bond would fight Hinx and barely defeat him, then have to fight Blofeld. It would be a bit fairer as Bond would be pretty messed up after the Hinx fight. Personally I would have them pull a Death of Sherlock Holmes and have Blofeld and Bond kill each other, thus giving Bond a noble sacrifice and bringing the Craig era to an official end. They could then start over without concern.
Pretty neat idea. I think we can all agree that
Spoiler:
Madaline Swan is going to die in the opening minutes of the next film, can't have Bond being too happy! I doubt Hinx would make a comeback, but sinister henchmen are 10 a penny in Bond's world so there is plenty of scope there. Blofeld definitely needs to feature in the next one, a) because he was great and b) because, as you say, it would then bring this era on Bond to a nice close.
2015/11/11 12:07:08
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I've loved the 1st 3 Daniel Craig Bond movies, but I felt indifferent to Spectre. I have no idea way, but it just didn't do anything for me. Just out of interest did anybody else feel that the usual change from the intro action to the theme song was a bit flat? The other 3 went from a "POW!" scene into the intro track, this one to me just seemed 'meh'.
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2015/11/17 05:22:39
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I just saw the movie yesterday, and I liked it, but not as much as Skyfall.
Spoiler:
I liked the stuff that seemed like a wink and a nod to the older movies; like when Bond and Dr. Swan get taken to the crater base (like You Only Live Twice) and given those nice rooms (like Dr. No). I did expect Dave Bautista to show up at the end and possibly kill Dr. Swan (a tragedy because she was so HAWT!), or at least for Bond to have to defeat him again. Indeed, Bautista's character felt like a throwback to the old movies where there was a stupidly tough henchman (Jaws, Oddjob, etc.). After hearing about how Monica Belucci is now officially the oldest Bond girl actress ever (at 50), I was disappointed that she wasn't in the movie very much. I wouldn't have minded her having a bigger role. Overall the action was good, and it was nice to see them finally add the character of Ernst Stavro Blofeld to the newer movies, complete with his trademark Persian cat.
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2015/11/17 05:50:48
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've yet to hear of anybody take up the challenge of watching every Bond film back to back.
I'm going to give it a go over the Christmas holidays, finishing with a trip to the cinema to watch SPECTRE...again
I'm not sure if it still happens but a bond marathon was played on TNT over thanksgiving weekend every year for a while there. So I don't think I've done them all back to back but I've come close.
2015/11/17 10:11:42
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've yet to hear of anybody take up the challenge of watching every Bond film back to back.
I'm going to give it a go over the Christmas holidays, finishing with a trip to the cinema to watch SPECTRE...again
I'm not sure if it still happens but a bond marathon was played on TNT over thanksgiving weekend every year for a while there. So I don't think I've done them all back to back but I've come close.
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2015/11/17 10:26:33
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
angelofvengeance wrote: Sounds like I won't need to waste 2hrs of my life on this then. I think Casino Royale is the best one of the Craig series. I'm not really a fan of this Sam Mendes director. It feels a lot like he's trying too hard and it ruins the end result.
Mendes's non-Bond films were great, but I agree that the only decent Bond movie of Craig's run was Casino Royale (which was fantastic).
Paradigm wrote: So who for the next Bond, then? My vote would go to Michael Fassbender, or failing that, Tom Hiddleston. I think either of them could pull it off, but I'd rather have a more mature actor to follow on where Craig leaves off.
Idris Elba is a natural.
Tom Hardy as well, but he's already substantially bigger than Bond.
Saw Skyfall this weekend.
Spoiler:
-Mexico scenes were great. Wife now wants to find that parade and go to it.
-The Bond finding his family or whatever seems like a plot that could have been explored better, or dropped completely.
-Blofield's character could have been done better. He creates this super organization, and can make Machiavelli look like a playdoll, but the whole movie is because he has DADDY ISSUES? ? ?
-Same for M. Fiennes is way better than this part. he couldn't do anything with the role.
-French chick was very French. -The action at the end felt contrived. I was not a fan, when they've done this better, and were almost there.
-Whats with this new series torturing Bond all the time. They'd never actually torture Sean Connery, just threaten to and laugh maniacally. Come on, this isn't real life, this is a Bond film. If I want torture, I can just try to get a bus ride in the rain in the afternoon. Now thats torture.
angelofvengeance wrote: Sounds like I won't need to waste 2hrs of my life on this then. I think Casino Royale is the best one of the Craig series. I'm not really a fan of this Sam Mendes director. It feels a lot like he's trying too hard and it ruins the end result.
Mendes's non-Bond films were great, but I agree that the only decent Bond movie of Craig's run was Casino Royale (which was fantastic).
Also agreed. That one still holds up.
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2015/11/17 12:20:40
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
So, we've had a Scottish, an Australian, an English, a Welsh, an Irish and another English Bond. Time for another from the Celtic fringe? Any decent Manx actors out there that look good in a dinner suit?
2015/11/17 13:37:46
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
Such a black mark on an other wise wonderful trilogy of Daniel Craig Bond films.
Avoid at all costs.
Spectre is way better than QOS, the plot of which I still can't work out
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2015/11/17 15:49:41
Subject: Re:SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I still get confused with Face Off, the Travolta/Cage classic, so throw me a bone
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2015/11/17 16:05:38
Subject: SPECTRE: It's Out! Discussion and Potential SPOILERS
I mean, Skyfall's plot was mostly made of holes, and not in the structurally sound, honeycomb construction kind of a way -- more in the bad D&D game full of more pit traps than is sensible, kind of a way.
But QoS didn't seem to bother with a plot at all. It gave the impression it'd been originally written as an FPS. Couple of big action scenes to show off, and then some shoddy, hack-written cut-scenes to join it together, that would have been better if they were skippable.
Saw it last night. Wow, this movie had no heart in it. Everyone was just mailing it in.
1. The Theme song is boring. Sam Smith.... I am not a fan. Too bad it sets the stage for the rest of the film.
2. The most boring car chase between super-cool sports cars I have ever seen. It is so slow and boring that even Bond has to call Moneypenny to spice it up.
3. Echoes of On Her majesty's Secret Service just reminded me how much that movie ruled compared to this one. I was hoping for a ski or Bobsled scene that never materialized.
4. The big reveal falls so flat and hollow it feels like an after thought. It felt a bit cartoonish actually.
5. All the action is relatively excitement free gun play.
6. The ending.... the ending....what have you wrought!
There was the occasional flash of cool, but overall it was just Meh. The two best parts are the part with the widow and when he has the bag over his head.
My vote for next Bond is Clive Owen. I have been saying so since before Craig was picked.
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