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2015/03/30 16:46:41
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
That thread is a pure gold example of GG dictating dev's what they should do, to force them to be free to say what they do not want to say, by the way. Awesome fight against censorship!
That second one makes pretty good sense considering how much that backing spot cost, not to mention you've got some hateful comments between people in both corners in there.
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2015/03/30 16:50:56
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
Soladrin wrote: Is it just me who wants to make more offensive jokes because of all this nonsense? Seriously, the urge grows.
To be fair, I think everyone could stand to have slightly thicker skin. Why, if I got genuinely upset all the times people said hateful things about me based upon the color of my skin or my gender, I'd probably have issues with punctuation too.
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: It's mostly that I find it just so..odd that one would claim to be empathetic to all and then blatantly post straight up sexist moments such as these, I thought one was trying to be inclusive, though thoughts on Pillars seems to be a bit less hateful, course I haven't really checked the twitter in a while because it became straight up depressing.
She is not the one claiming to be empathetic to all. I was the one to speak about empathy.
And yeah, everything she posts about Pillars of Eternity before discovering that epitaph shows she likes the game.
Soladrin wrote: I guess we should just completely stop making jokes and live our humorless lives until we die of complete boredom and misery.
This is what "they" want right?
No, you can carry on making jokes that do not come at the expense of an already marginalized and mistreated group.
For instance :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIuLVveE6wI
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Soladrin wrote: Is it just me who wants to make more offensive jokes because of all this nonsense? Seriously, the urge grows.
Because you like hurting others?
ZebioLizard2 wrote: That second one makes pretty good sense considering how much that backing spot cost
Hence why I said he or she should be asked for a replacement, rather than just removing the epitaph.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2015/03/30 16:58:49
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
So I take it we also have to round up every copy of The Crying Game movie and put them in a giant bonfire or something? We should probably include every copy of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective too. Then we can systematically erase every reference to either movie anywhere on the internet and mindwipe everyone who ever saw or heard of either movie as well. Just to be sure.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
2015/03/30 17:34:20
Subject: Re:I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
Is it a joke?: Yes
Is it a joke made at the expense of a specific class of people?: Yes
Is it a joke made at the expense of a specific class of people who broadly speaking face discrimination/oppression?: Yes
Is it a joke made at the expense of a specific class of people that's directly about the thing that people discriminate against them for?: Yes
Is it a joke that seems to be made in an intentionally malicious way? I don't think so.
Is it a joke that's explicitly endorsing any particular world view?: No.
is it a joke that's grossly persecutory or calling out for specific actions? No
Do I think the joke is in particularly good taste? Not really.
Do I think the joke is particularly funny? Not really, but I've heard less-funny jokes.
I dunno, take all that for what you will. It's joke and it's probably in kind of bad taste, but there are worse things in the world than tasteless jokes.
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2015/03/30 17:37:14
Subject: Re:I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
So, honestly I see nothing offensive about this past people going out of their way to find something offensive about this. Is it a gay person that is male but the hero was too drunk to notice? Was it a "trap" where they look feminine? Was it a transperson? It's a stupid little epithet that is supposed to be a minor joke. It isn't saying to go kill folks, it's just the type of goofy things you would read in game gravestones for some dark or lighthearted humor depending on the writers/developer's mood.
Also, to be honest, I wouldn't really mind it being changed in the grand scheme of things. If it does, so be it. Obsidian talk with the maker, possibly chat and put it in a patch with some bug edits place a patch for that one thing, or publicize a mod that has already been made for it. It's a small thing in so many ways to me but it's not like it matters. A demand for removing the more twisted parts of the game I'd have a problem with but this is minimal. Still I find the folks that complained about this are foolish and the folks that have made this such a big thing on the other side are just as faulty for making this such a big deal. More concerned with Indiana personally.
Also what the actual hell is trasnsmisogyny? That word doesn't even make that much sense. At least call the thing transphobic even if I don't think it is, use an actual word rather than smashing words together.
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: It's mostly that I find it just so..odd that one would claim to be empathetic to all and then blatantly post straight up sexist moments such as these, I thought one was trying to be inclusive, though thoughts on Pillars seems to be a bit less hateful, course I haven't really checked the twitter in a while because it became straight up depressing.
She is not the one claiming to be empathetic to all. I was the one to speak about empathy.
And yeah, everything she posts about Pillars of Eternity before discovering that epitaph shows she likes the game.
Soladrin wrote: I guess we should just completely stop making jokes and live our humorless lives until we die of complete boredom and misery.
This is what "they" want right?
No, you can carry on making jokes that do not come at the expense of an already marginalized and mistreated group.
For instance :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIuLVveE6wI
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Soladrin wrote: Is it just me who wants to make more offensive jokes because of all this nonsense? Seriously, the urge grows.
Because you like hurting others?
ZebioLizard2 wrote: That second one makes pretty good sense considering how much that backing spot cost
Hence why I said he or she should be asked for a replacement, rather than just removing the epitaph.
Do I like hurting others? Up for debate. Do I think I can hurt them with offensive jokes? I want to say no, but sadly the internet has proved that there are a lot of pussies out there. Said pussies however will not affect my ability to laugh at horrible things.
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2015/03/30 18:41:48
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
The Middle East is on fire at a level not seen since the ottomans were on the march. grow a pair.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2015/03/30 18:50:31
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
OK, maybe I'm stupid, but when I read that "epitaph", my first association was not with transgenders, but with crossdressers.
...
I'd run like hell too if I picked up what I thought was a woman but turned out to have the wrong genitalia (well, for my taste anyway) under that dress.
2015/03/30 19:49:11
Subject: I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
No, be the real winner. Laugh at the stupidity of both sides, grab popcorn, and fill the bingo as something insignificant gets popular. Dual screen it so you can play the glorious game at the same time! (So many memories of my retro gaming stint but without some of the worst parts of it)
No, be the real winner. Laugh at the stupidity of both sides, grab popcorn, and fill the bingo as something insignificant gets popular. Dual screen it so you can play the glorious game at the same time! (So many memories of my retro gaming stint but without some of the worst parts of it)
In the end different people will have different takes on a joke, and when things like games a re spread so far and wide there will be more interpretations. Context can become even more important. People that truly want it to stay should probably refrain from mocking one side of the argument and using SJW as that really does end up looking the worst.
2015/03/30 20:53:36
Subject: Re:I am flabbergasted - The Pillars of Eternity Debacle
Sasori wrote: I hold that censorship of this nature is unacceptable, and context is important. Look at this issue for what it really is.
Context is king.
It's a fictional limerick written by a fictional character in a fictional universe. If we have to start censoring fiction to avoid offending anyone then we might as well just give up and never write anything.
Hybrid, and people like him, are making the planet worse for everyone.
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