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Okay i have a questen. Since English is not my native language i wanted to get this cleared

In the book it says

1 - A unit containting at least one model with the blood for the blood god! special rule is completely destroyed, or destroys an enemy unit

2 - A character with blood for the blood god! specialt rules is slain, or slays an enemy character in a challange

Does that mean that i get 2 tokens for a unit that is completely blown away. One for the unit and one for the character?

Because when i read the tekst i read it as i get one token if one off my characters dies (by shooting, heart attack or whatever) or if i kill a enemy character in a challange

How do you read it?

If your character kills in a a challenge, or is killed, then you get a point. So if you have a character plus unit in combat, character in challenge, and you kill the enemy character plus the whole unit, you will then get two points.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If your character kills in a a challenge, or is killed, then you get a point. So if you have a character plus unit in combat, character in challenge, and you kill the enemy character plus the whole unit, you will then get two points.

Or the opposite as well. If your character gets killed in a challenge and your unit is wiped you get 2 points.

Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

A different, yet interesting question though.

If you challenge a character in a combat and you kill the character. Do you gain 2 blood points for killing that character in the challenge because 1) You killed a unit and 2) You also killed a character in a challenge?

mhalko1 wrote:
there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers.

Until they FAQ it on the site, unofficial stuff doesn't really do anything.

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

Yes but there are also errors in other codices that are probably debated as well.. it's gonna come down to the 2 people playing how reasonable they are. It will likely again come down to a roll off In my area at least because realistically it is a typo and shouldn't just be accepted.

Allegedly, it is a typo. It is also possible that it was intended.

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

Yes but there are also errors in other codices that are probably debated as well.. it's gonna come down to the 2 people playing how reasonable they are. It will likely again come down to a roll off In my area at least because realistically it is a typo and shouldn't just be accepted.

How do you know that it is "realistically" a typo?

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

Yes but there are also errors in other codices that are probably debated as well.. it's gonna come down to the 2 people playing how reasonable they are. It will likely again come down to a roll off In my area at least because realistically it is a typo and shouldn't just be accepted.

How do you know that it is "realistically" a typo?

Because one of the Studio writers addressed the rule's intent. It was supposed to be to get the characters in a challenge whether they die or kill the opponent it does not matter but that it happens in a challenge. So either it IS a typo or they just didn't think people were going to make that one comma such a huge issue.

The problem with ^^^^ is that again it's not an official faq... yet. And I as an opponent would still just roll for this.

It's pretty clear as written it states any time a Character is slain. There's no other way to interpret it because GRAMMAR!

Hollismason wrote:
It's pretty clear as written it states any time a Character is slain. There's no other way to interpret it because GRAMMAR!

Yes that's the exact argument. RAW if a char dies it gets the blood tithe token but when the writers wrote that rule that was not the intended result.

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

Yes but there are also errors in other codices that are probably debated as well.. it's gonna come down to the 2 people playing how reasonable they are. It will likely again come down to a roll off In my area at least because realistically it is a typo and shouldn't just be accepted.

How do you know that it is "realistically" a typo?

Because one of the Studio writers addressed the rule's intent. It was supposed to be to get the characters in a challenge whether they die or kill the opponent it does not matter but that it happens in a challenge. So either it IS a typo or they just didn't think people were going to make that one comma such a huge issue.

The problem with ^^^^ is that again it's not an official faq... yet. And I as an opponent would still just roll for this.

That in and of itself doesn't make any sense. There is already a rule that requires the Daemonkin player issue a challenge (or accept it), why would the blood tithe rule be written to "encourage" something that is already mandatory? Just out of curiosity, is this quote in the White Dwarf or somewhere else?

As it stands currently, its plainly written that a character with the rule generates a point if they die, no matter how they die, or if they kill an enemy character in a challenge. I'm not really seeing how this is causing confusion.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:
Hmm. I read it that you receive a Blood Point whenever one of your characters with the rule is killed- regardless of how. And you also get one if your character kills another in a challenge or a unit is completely wiped out/ wipes another out.

There has been much debate on this with the arguments split pretty evenly. The way it is written yes however there has been an unofficial faq to it from one of the writers. Take it how you will but the entire unnecessary argument is on BoLS. The way it was intended is for the extra blood tithe point to be awarded during a challenge regardless of who is the victor. With the fact that most squads come with a sergeant or other character in some for or another, it really makes no sense for him to generate another point for dying outside a challenge.

Yes sir it is debated. But as with every other ruling instance, we need to follow it until an official GW FAQ

Yes but there are also errors in other codices that are probably debated as well.. it's gonna come down to the 2 people playing how reasonable they are. It will likely again come down to a roll off In my area at least because realistically it is a typo and shouldn't just be accepted.

How do you know that it is "realistically" a typo?

Because one of the Studio writers addressed the rule's intent. It was supposed to be to get the characters in a challenge whether they die or kill the opponent it does not matter but that it happens in a challenge. So either it IS a typo or they just didn't think people were going to make that one comma such a huge issue.

The problem with ^^^^ is that again it's not an official faq... yet. And I as an opponent would still just roll for this.

That in and of itself doesn't make any sense. There is already a rule that requires the Daemonkin player issue a challenge (or accept it), why would the blood tithe rule be written to "encourage" something that is already mandatory? Just out of curiosity, is this quote in the White Dwarf or somewhere else?

As it stands currently, its plainly written that a character with the rule generates a point if they die, no matter how they die, or if they kill an enemy character in a challenge. I'm not really seeing how this is causing confusion.

No its on facebook. again it's unofficial but he is one of the verified writers for the book. Also why would it make sense to have them just die and get a point... they already get one from having the unit die. Just having him die isnt very khornish.

ZombieDK wrote:
Okay i have a questen. Since English is not my native language i wanted to get this cleared

In the book it says

1 - A unit containting at least one model with the blood for the blood god! special rule is completely destroyed, or destroys an enemy unit

2 - A character with blood for the blood god! specialt rules is slain, or slays an enemy character in a challange

Does that mean that i get 2 tokens for a unit that is completely blown away. One for the unit and one for the character?

Because when i read the tekst i read it as i get one token if one off my characters dies (by shooting, heart attack or whatever) or if i kill a enemy character in a challange

How do you read it?

Yes you get 2 points in your example. 1 for the unit and 1 for the character. You're correct in that the way the rule is written it's clear that it doesn't matter how the character is slain.

If it's an IC that dies (by shooting, combat, whatever) you get 2 points for just him. 1 for the unit dying rule and one for 1 for the character dying rule. If that IC has joined a unit which is also completely wiped out you get another point for that unit, giving you 3 in total. The rule explicity states you can gain multiple points simultaneously.

Two points for an IC? That's pushing the interpretation to breaking point.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Two points for an IC? That's pushing the interpretation to breaking point.

Don't they count as separate units for kill points? If so they count as separate unit for Blood Tithe points.

Yeah but you wouldn't get one point for him being a unit and another point for him being a character ... I think...

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Yeah but you wouldn't get one point for him being a unit and another point for him being a character ... I think...

Seriously why not? The rules define two separate clauses (being a unit and being a character) each awarding a Blood Tithe point and it explicitly states multiple points can be earned simultaneously. As an example it's kind of like a maelstrom mission where you could have one objective to kill a unit and one to kill a character. If you killed a single IC you would score both I.e 2 points.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Yeah but you wouldn't get one point for him being a unit and another point for him being a character ... I think...

Currently you would get two points. It. Ight not make sense, and is certainly not how the rule should read, but it is correct. In a challenge a daemonkin IC would generate two points when dying.

Hmmm. Sounds good. Makes heralds the most efficient blood point generator

Where is it listed that the writer did not intend it this way?

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