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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 15:19:31
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Monstrous Master Moulder
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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Decay wrote:So I was thinking a combined detachment to go with the Maniple and taking Sammael as a HQ, or is he too expensive at a 1250pts level? I was just taking him so that Ravenwing Attack squads are Troops and so that I could take a Ravenwing Command Squad
I'd do it up. EW Warlords are aces for Skitarii.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 15:23:47
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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axisofentropy wrote:Decay wrote:Another question, about allies this time. I've already made a Skitarii force of 600 pts, but I wanted to increase this to 1250pts via the use of DA allies. I was wondering if the Ravenwing are effective allies for the Skitarii and does the fact that they are on bike help the Skitarii secure back field objectives and make a better strike force?
This is what I'm playing. If you're looking for board control, Scout and Crusader mean they dominate the mid-field. Bikes also scout and are in your opponent's deployment zone on the second turn and they can't leave. This prevents your opponent from scoring Progressive/Maelstrom objectives. I got tabled by a null-deployment drop pod list tho.
I'm also trying Rustalkers in a Land Raider. It's fun but probably not worth the points.
That's not really the Ruststalkers' fault so much as it is Land Raiders almost never being worthwhile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 19:33:42
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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I don't know if anyone's seen the latest Mechanicus leaks from the next White Dwarf, but the formation is as follows:
1x Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation
1x Skitarii Battle Maniple
1x Oathsworn Knight Detachment
Giving:
- Canticles of the Omnissiah to ALL units
- Ignores Gets Hot rule
- Reroll WT on the Dominus if its the Warlord
- All Cult Mechanicus/Skitarii relics are FREE
Mind, these are all French translations, but holy hell, that is perhaps the most OP formation I've seen, and is clearly a must-take if you're playing a pure Adeptus Mechanicus army.
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P.S. Volkite weapons are in, with the exact same statline as their HH counterparts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 19:43:55
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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What!!? That Relic thing seems too OP to be even dreamed of, the possibilities of that are endless, now that they could have every relic. Phosphoenix would be even more of a no brainier, Nikolai's skull would be used in my force even more. The Phase Tazer on Infiltrators and so much more. Even the ignores Get Hot is a huge bonus for the plasma Calivers as any threat of killing your own men is gone! I'm not sure what Canticles still does, but from the rumors that does sound just as good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 19:45:08
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Decay wrote:What!!? That Relic thing seems too OP to be even dreamed of, the possibilities of that are endless, now that they could have every relic. Phosphoenix would be even more of a no brainier, Nikolai's skull would be used in my force even more. The Phase Tazer on Infiltrators and so much more. Even the ignores Get Hot is a huge bonus for the plasma Calivers as any threat of killing your own men is gone! I'm not sure what Canticles still does, but from the rumors that does sound just as good.
we need to see the english wording, but it also looks like all upgrades are free.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 19:49:58
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Although, thinking rationally, the Battle Congrugation must involve quite a lot of units to reap such an advantage on the field.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 19:58:04
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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The Skitarii + Knight detachments are already sitting at 1k points. I doubt GW would give out all free upgrades and options, that's a little bit too ridiculous. Like, almost Matt Ward-level ridiculous.l But we'll wait to see the English translations.
(Can't say I'm not hoping for all options free though, but I'll settle for all relics too  )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:01:19
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Yeah, I'm just about to get a knight a mix with my mech armies and I was wondering which variant should I make? I was thinking Paladin or Errant, but what would be best?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:04:42
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Monstrous Master Moulder
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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Decay wrote:Yeah, I'm just about to get a knight a mix with my mech armies and I was wondering which variant should I make? I was thinking Paladin or Errant, but what would be best?
Por que no los dos? Crusader.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:09:17
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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This formation is crazy if the translation is true that ALL upgrades/options are free
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:10:27
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Ah yes! I'd forgotten about the Crusader (My codex is coming with the Knight) that only leaves the problem of the Thermal Cannon, or the Battle Cannon. I like the Battle Cannon as it has much versitility in my opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:21:46
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Actually I'm thinking the Gatling cannon and missile launcher Warden loadout.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:27:29
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Well, I don't mind any Knight, but i was just thinking about how it should have the Autocannons on the top, so that it can support the Skitarii by being an AA platform as well as a heck load of guns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/19 20:35:54
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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The Knight makes an awful AA platform. Use your Onagers for that. Keep a stormspear on top to add to the number of things you can charge.
I'm still debating between a Warden, a Paladin, or a Crusader for my own AdMech army. The plan is the same, charge it up the middle to draw fire and cause mass havoc. The problem is that a Crusader with stomp still does pretty well compared to a Paladin, and the extra gun IMHO gives it more utility on the first two turns before it gets stuck in.
Between the Thermal Cannon and Battle Cannon, I'd almost always go with Battle Cannon for sheer AP3 gibbing pie plate goodness. You've enough anti-tank to not need a melta platform (that goes with the meltagun upgrade too) in the form of arc guns, grav guns, taser lances, onagers with neutron lasers, etc. Automatically Appended Next Post: Translation of the rules from a native French speaker over at Bolter & Chainsword
Bolter & Chainsword's snoopy wrote:
Ok Guyz, a translation for you from a frenchy smile.png
- 1 Detachment "cult mechanicus battle congregation".
- 1 Formation "Battle maniple skitarii"
- 1 Detachment "Oathsworn Imperial Knight"
- Confrérie de la machine de mars : Units of the formation get canticles of the omnissia special rule, even if they aren't part of the Cult Mechanicus Faction.
- Alpha-Dominus : If the Tech-Priest of the formation is the Warlord, you can reroll your warlord traits on the Cult Mechanicus Table
- Puissance de l'adeptus mechanicus : Options which can be bought by models of this formation (relics of March, & Arcana mechanicum include) are free. Furthermore, weapons with the rule "get hot" of this formation lose this rule.
Whoa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 13:18:01
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Monstrous Master Moulder
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/05/volkite-weapon-rules-and-formations.html
Got some translations on the upcoming Cult stuff.
Don't see much use to the Volkite weapon myself, if it replaces the Eradication Beamer. Dominus walking around firing S6 AP3 blasts is sexy. Might field some of the Fulgurite Priests - Instant death can never be underestimated. Just depends on their points cost. Thoughts? Automatically Appended Next Post: 5 Priests for 90 is the revealed cost. 18ppm is overbearingly expensive imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 15:56:37
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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So, if I wanted to run this new formation, this means I have to buy, in addition to the Skitarri codex, the cult mechanicus codex and the imperial knights codex? As well as the White Dwarf, correct? Also, how cheese will this honestly be in comparison to other armies? I like the AdMech stuff, and this formation seems to allow me to take one of everything, for a pretty cool looking army, but if my opponent is gonna have too miserable of a time, I might pass...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 17:02:59
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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If its everything thats listed in the picture, it looks like 1 of everything in Cult mechanicus too. Ick if electro priests have to be taken.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 17:07:24
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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I bet it is, and hope it is, as running one of everything sounds fun...but dang that formation bonus seems too good.
Honestly, only being able to take one of each unit (so no spamming) will balance out the free stuff, I hope. I originally thought being able to spam plasma calivers that don't get hot would be too good, but iirc there's only the rangers that can take them? Maybe the vanguard? So that's only 6 at the max?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 17:13:33
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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greenbay924 wrote:I bet it is, and hope it is, as running one of everything sounds fun...but dang that formation bonus seems too good.
Honestly, only being able to take one of each unit (so no spamming) will balance out the free stuff, I hope. I originally thought being able to spam plasma calivers that don't get hot would be too good, but iirc there's only the rangers that can take them? Maybe the vanguard? So that's only 6 at the max?
Rangers/vanguard can take them, Kataphrons can take the heavier plasma guns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 20:39:26
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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Where does it say you can only have one of each unit?
I'm reading that you take a regular Maniple as part of the detachment, which means only 2 troops are mandatory.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/20 20:51:37
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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TranSpyre wrote:Where does it say you can only have one of each unit?
I'm reading that you take a regular Maniple as part of the detachment, which means only 2 troops are mandatory.
There's a difference between the Skitarii Maniple and the Battle Maniple, they just decided to name them the same thing so it was extra confusing. The former is the 2 Troop minimum FOC, the latter is a Formation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 02:43:21
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Hooded Inquisitorial Interrogator
New York, USA
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What do you guys think of the electro priests? Models look great, and I'm thinking of some head swaps to make them even better. Which variant looks better t you? I know they've been called the worst unit in the codex, but I like the look too much...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 03:10:49
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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We will have to wait and see for the whole picture, I was skeptical about the skitarii until I saw the doctrinas. It will be interesting to see if they will play a role. Really want to work my onagers into a list but it is just so tight on points.... Maybe save them for less competitive armies
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 17:05:10
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Which Kastelan loadout is the best one? I've only just realized that the Protector protocol only allows then to fire their shoulder weapon twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 17:14:06
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Decay wrote:Which Kastelan loadout is the best one? I've only just realized that the Protector protocol only allows then to fire their shoulder weapon twice.
I'm still of the opinion that as much S6 AP3 as you can get is best. Sure, power fists put you at S10, but you're already S6 AP2 in Assault so more shooting is probably the better way to go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 17:17:31
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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That's what I thought, it's just that the rule for the Protecter protocol is not clearly worded and does not state wether they can still fir their hand weapons, but I believe that they still can, or should.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/21 17:20:41
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Requizen wrote:Decay wrote:Which Kastelan loadout is the best one? I've only just realized that the Protector protocol only allows then to fire their shoulder weapon twice.
I'm still of the opinion that as much S6 AP3 as you can get is best. Sure, power fists put you at S10, but you're already S6 AP2 in Assault so more shooting is probably the better way to go.
I've mulled this over and I also agree with this.
Also remember you can smash for a single s10 attack and you have the datasmith who gives additional str6 powerfist attacks.
18 str6 ap3 shots from them is nothing to sneeze at (6 of them TL), especially from a group that can stand in the middle of the field and soak shots. Automatically Appended Next Post: Decay wrote:That's what I thought, it's just that the rule for the Protecter protocol is not clearly worded and does not state wether they can still fir their hand weapons, but I believe that they still can, or should.
From their wording, yes they should be able to fire everything and their top mounted twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/22 05:41:31
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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I'm going to vehemently agree on the Kastelan loadout, all-Phosphor is the way to go, there's just too few situations in which the powerfists would be necessary for them to be worth the opportunity cost of not having the extra TL'd Phosphor shots.
If it's accurate, I'll probably end up using the Cybernetica formation; 5 'bots, 2 Datasmiths, and a Magos in a combined unit(one of my bots will be going Flamer/Phosphor, purely so I can use my FW Castellax model with Mauler/Fistflamers). Give the Magos the Eradication Beam and you have a unit that, at 24" with Protector Protocols active, puts out 30 S6 AP3 regular shots, 15 S6 AP3 Twin-Linked shots, and a S6 AP3 Blast, and the formation rules let you split fire as you wish so no ridiculous overkill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/22 12:35:22
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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That is a really weird number of bots for a formation, since they come 2 to a box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/22 14:52:38
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Is it just me or is the War Convocation looking sub-par? I understand that the free upgrades are excellent in theory, but forcing the formation into a small game appears to gimp the army by forcing very easily killed MSU.
I see no use in free weapons when survivability upgrades are limited to Conversion Fields and Refractor Fields, and units are easily wiped even with the small inv save those things give.
I suppose I will have to see the Arcana Mechanicum list and Canticles to fully judge the formation.
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