Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars! - 7th Edition Legacy Tactics

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**gameandwatch**

Funny idea, not entirely sure if legal, but you could use that dominus and 2 kastelan formation to make a one unit 1850 army, dominus, 4 priests, 10 kastelans, 1850 points...............

BAHAHAHAHAHA, so dumb but so amusing, 60-90 S6 ap3 shots abound, tons of ap2 close combat, potential FnP... just so silly, a 1 unit army. If there are no restrictions on adding models to that unit, that is just plain hilarious.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Definitely not legal. It would be a formation without a detachment. :-p

**gameandwatch**

Wait, but why must you take a detachment? For harlequins, can't you have an army that is just the cegorachs revenge formation?

**Verviedi**

Formations are a kind of detachment.

**gameandwatch**

Verviedi wrote:
Formations are a kind of detachment.

That is what I thought...

**Requizen**

gameandwatch wrote:Funny idea, not entirely sure if legal, but you could use that dominus and 2 kastelan formation to make a one unit 1850 army, dominus, 4 priests, 10 kastelans, 1850 points...............

BAHAHAHAHAHA, so dumb but so amusing, 60-90 S6 ap3 shots abound, tons of ap2 close combat, potential FnP... just so silly, a 1 unit army. If there are no restrictions on adding models to that unit, that is just plain hilarious.

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Definitely not legal. It would be a formation without a detachment. :-p

Formations are detachments. You can legally run armies made entirely of Formations.

**gameandwatch**

Requizen wrote:
gameandwatch wrote:Funny idea, not entirely sure if legal, but you could use that dominus and 2 kastelan formation to make a one unit 1850 army, dominus, 4 priests, 10 kastelans, 1850 points...............

BAHAHAHAHAHA, so dumb but so amusing, 60-90 S6 ap3 shots abound, tons of ap2 close combat, potential FnP... just so silly, a 1 unit army. If there are no restrictions on adding models to that unit, that is just plain hilarious.

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Definitely not legal. It would be a formation without a detachment. :-p

Formations are detachments. You can legally run armies made entirely of Formations.

OMG THAT IS THE BEST NAME FOR THAT LIST, THUNDERDOME!!!!

**Requizen**

gameandwatch wrote:
Requizen wrote:
gameandwatch wrote:Funny idea, not entirely sure if legal, but you could use that dominus and 2 kastelan formation to make a one unit 1850 army, dominus, 4 priests, 10 kastelans, 1850 points...............

BAHAHAHAHAHA, so dumb but so amusing, 60-90 S6 ap3 shots abound, tons of ap2 close combat, potential FnP... just so silly, a 1 unit army. If there are no restrictions on adding models to that unit, that is just plain hilarious.

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Definitely not legal. It would be a formation without a detachment. :-p

Formations are detachments. You can legally run armies made entirely of Formations.

OMG THAT IS THE BEST NAME FOR THAT LIST, THUNDERDOME!!!!

Well, there's already a Thunderdome list - It's a Space Wolves list where you take TWC and a bunch of ICs on Wolves, lots of Shields and Hammers, one massive ~1500 point unit that rolls around smashing things.

Doesn't mean it has rights to the name though

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Woah, wait... Seriously? I, sincerely, did not know you could run formations from one book, with an entirely different army, and still be a battle-forged list.

That makes my list building a LOT easier, as I was trying to shoe-horn a Cult Mechanicus "Elimination Maniple" into an Allied detachment (meaning I had to find points for a Magos and another unit of Destroyers/Breachers), and hated the enormous point investment.

**gameandwatch**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Woah, wait... Seriously? I, sincerely, did not know you could run formations from one book, with an entirely different army, and still be a battle-forged list.

That makes my list building a LOT easier, as I was trying to shoe-horn a Cult Mechanicus "Elimination Maniple" into an Allied detachment (meaning I had to find points for a Magos and another unit of Destroyers/Breachers), and hated the enormous point investment.

Of course, this is how people have been using the Tau Firebase formation with other armies

**WrentheFaceless**

Leth wrote:
Just one thing I thought I would share.

I just got started building my battle servitors and they are very easy to assemble and magnetize, so if anyone has doubts that is the way to go!!

Yes the kit is really nice

**gmaleron**

Thanks for the help earlier guys, I've compiled a rough list for what I'm trying to go for. any tips would be appreciated guys, thank you!

Spoiler:

**Enigwolf**

gameandwatch wrote:
Funny idea, not entirely sure if legal, but you could use that dominus and 2 kastelan formation to make a one unit 1850 army, dominus, 4 priests, 10 kastelans, 1850 points...............

BAHAHAHAHAHA, so dumb but so amusing, 60-90 S6 ap3 shots abound, tons of ap2 close combat, potential FnP... just so silly, a 1 unit army. If there are no restrictions on adding models to that unit, that is just plain hilarious.

I scratched my head and thought the pointage was off, and went back and did the math... Holy hell you're right.

(Yes, you can add more models to the unit based on the individual Kastelan max unit size)

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gmaleron wrote:
Thanks for the help earlier guys, I've compiled a rough list for what I'm trying to go for. any tips would be appreciated guys, thank you!

Spoiler:

Mechanicum Combined Arms Detachment:

HQ:

-Dominus
*w/ Conversion Field

TROOPS:

-x3 Kataphron Breachers
*w/ x3 Heavy Arc Rifles, x3 Arc Claws

-x3 Kataphron Breachers
*w/ x3 Heavy Arc Rifles, x3 Arc Claws

-x3 Kataphron Breachers
*w/ x3 Heavy Arc Rifles, x3 Arc Claws

-x3 Kataphron Destroyers
*w/ x3 Heavy Grav Cannons, x3 Cognis Flamers

-x3 Kataphron Destroyers
*w/ x3 Heavy Grav Cannons, x3 Cognis Flamers

Skitarii Combined Arms Detachment:

TROOPS:

-x10 Rangers
*w/ Omnispex

-x10 Vanguard
*w/ x3 Plasma Calivers, Omnispex

-x10 Vanguard
*w/ x3 Plasma Calivers, Omnispex

FAST ATTACK:

-x3 Sydonian Dragoons
*w/ x3 Phosphor Serpentas

-x3 Sydonian Dragoons
*w/ x3 Phosphor Serpentas

HEAVY SUPPORT:

-x2 Onager Dunecrawlers
*w/ x2 Icarus Arrays

TOTAL ARMY: 2000 POINTS

Model Count:

-x31 Infantry
-x15 Kataphrons
-x6 Dragoons
-x2 Tanks

I'd replace some of your Kataphrons with more Vanguard with Arc Rifles, and try to squeeze in a Kastelan unit if you can. They make a good dakka firebase while also drawing fire for the rest of your army to get in range. The Vanguard Scout move makes them tactically more flexible, plus their cancer guns are more versatile (can kill MCs and horde). Two Icarus Onagers is also a little overkill, unless you're in a heavy flyer meta. Otherwise I'd break them into two units and give the second a neutron laser.

**WrentheFaceless**

I'm assuming you meant Skitarii Mantiple, as Skitarii cant take a Combined Arms Detachment

**gmaleron**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
I'm assuming you meant Skitarii Mantiple, as Skitarii cant take a Combined Arms Detachment

I did thank you! And to answer your suggestions Enigwolf:

-I'm down for getting more Vanguard, the more and more I read about these guys the more I like them! However I do feel that it's better to put your warlord in a unit of Rangers so he is not potentially killed for getting to close.

-The Kastelan unitis a pretty solid firebase but it is way too expensive for what it does, I would have to get rid of quite a chunk of the list above just to field them.

-there is a pretty decent flyer presents in my local meta and also I'm trying to take advantage of the +1 to invulnerable saves rule they have.

**gameandwatch**

Anybody else kinda...I dunno... bummed that the +1 BS no cover formation exists?

It is just one of those things that I want to use cause it sounds great, but EVERYONE will use because it really is just so good. I am worried about seeing a ton of random armies with that formation just thrown in.

**gmaleron**

gameandwatch wrote:
Anybody else kinda...I dunno... bummed that the +1 BS no cover formation exists?

It is just one of those things that I want to use cause it sounds great, but EVERYONE will use because it really is just so good. I am worried about seeing a ton of random armies with that formation just thrown in.

What formation is this?!

**WrentheFaceless**

gameandwatch wrote:
Anybody else kinda...I dunno... bummed that the +1 BS no cover formation exists?

It is just one of those things that I want to use cause it sounds great, but EVERYONE will use because it really is just so good. I am worried about seeing a ton of random armies with that formation just thrown in.

Well its not straight up +1 BS and no cover, theres a caveat to it that the unit you're shooting at has to be wounded by kasellan's first

**gameandwatch**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
gameandwatch wrote:
Anybody else kinda...I dunno... bummed that the +1 BS no cover formation exists?

It is just one of those things that I want to use cause it sounds great, but EVERYONE will use because it really is just so good. I am worried about seeing a ton of random armies with that formation just thrown in.

Well its not straight up +1 BS and no cover, theres a caveat to it that the unit you're shooting at has to be wounded by kasellan's first

WOA WOA WOA, Seriously!? Ok, ok, that makes it WAY better, cause as the rumors were posting, it was just unit wide +1 BS and ignore cover...which...is just dumb with 36 grav shots and 12-18 S6 ap3 shots...

Ok, ok...deep breath, not so bad

**gmaleron**

Where are you guys getting this formation from?

**WrentheFaceless**

Usual places, rumor thread, warseer, naftka, bols.

Guy with the codex was leaking informaiton on warseer a few days ago

**Enigwolf**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Usual places, rumor thread, warseer, naftka, bols.

Guy with the codex was leaking informaiton on warseer a few days ago

I have the 'dex in hand, left it at the FLGS though. As I remember, formation is +1 BS/Ignores cover if a Kastelan wounds or pens a target with a weapon with the Luminagen rule (aka HPB) . Only then does the rest of the formation get a +1BS/Ignores cover.

**gameandwatch**

gmaleron wrote:
Where are you guys getting this formation from?

Just search AD Mech or Cult Mechanicus destroyer formation or look here!
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/cult-mechanicus-rules-tidal-wave.html

**Enigwolf**

gmaleron wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
I'm assuming you meant Skitarii Mantiple, as Skitarii cant take a Combined Arms Detachment

I did thank you! And to answer your suggestions Enigwolf:

-I'm down for getting more Vanguard, the more and more I read about these guys the more I like them! However I do feel that it's better to put your warlord in a unit of Rangers so he is not potentially killed for getting to close.

-The Kastelan unitis a pretty solid firebase but it is way too expensive for what it does, I would have to get rid of quite a chunk of the list above just to field them.

-there is a pretty decent flyer presents in my local meta and also I'm trying to take advantage of the +1 to invulnerable saves rule they have.

No disagreements with the Ranger thing. That said your Dominus himself is pretty tough to kill, and with so many units on the board I doubt they'll be soloing him out. Agreed with the Kastelan, and fair enough with the flyers.

**gmaleron**

I wish I could get behind the Kastelans because they are pretty good, however they are just so expensive for what they do. 310 points to run them the way I'd want to, just doesn't seem worth it.

**Leth**

By themselves I agree. However with the canticles and the available relics for the dominus they become beastly.

Cognis on the unit is pretty huge

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By themselves I agree. However with the canticles and the available relics for the dominus they become beastly.

Cognis on the unit is pretty huge

**WrentheFaceless**

Slap the cognis relic on that unit, or slap the IWND relic on that unit.

**gmaleron**

Are these Cult Mechanics Relics.or Skitarii ones?

**WrentheFaceless**

gmaleron wrote:
Are these Cult Mechanics Relics.or Skitarii ones?

Cult Mechanicus

**gmaleron**

Random question what weapon gives the Dune Crawler IWND?