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The issue is this becomes quite difficult:
Sometimes you don't have a dedicated enough group to keep the old rules.
Since you can no longer buy the rules (excluding 2nd hand) you're unlikely to get new players. This becomes harder & harder over time.
With no armies ever getting updates things get stagnant & old.
Every time someone leaves you're unlikely to replace them.
Sticking with 8th will prolong whfb as is, but it will not keep it going forever, liukely you'll see maybe an additional year if you're lucky before it slowly dies out. Remember all those people who said they'd stick with 5thed 40k since allies would ruin everything? Or the ones who said they'd keep playing 7th because of 8th magic & random movement? Sure you may find the 1-off group around who still does but you need to look VERY hard.
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daemonish wrote:So they spend £1000's making moulds for the end times stuff for it to become obsolete, something's not right there.
It's the extreme disorientation of the cognitive dissonance between common sense and what GW does. You'll get used to it in time, like the rest of us.
SeanDrake wrote:
I am expecting the new holy warriors to have massive shoulder pads and not a single flat surface that is not covered in bling.
That.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Re-basing all of my models would be irritating, but it would not be the end of the world.
Not so soon after the last one, anyway.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It's occurred to me that GW might do a War of the rings - models with round bases fitting into square shaped move trays for bigger formations. Perhaps new fantasy won't be purely a skirmish game after all...
Wasn't there some kind of rumour update that only characters and war machines were going on round bases?
Not everyone. I find their rules uninteresting and prefer my models to be, y'know, MODELS rather than counters to define footprint size. You may as well play KoW with pieces of cardboard cut to appropriate size. I already own plenty of games that do the same thing better and more interestingly and are self contained.
You could do that with every single miniature game that I know of. Just cut the cardboard to the size of the appropriate base, and voilá, instant "models" for every single miniature game in existence.
That. Also, cardboard counters to represent unit footprints beats cardboard counters to represent 40-50 individual wound markers, in my view.
Platuan4th wrote:Except that WHFB uses TLOS and thus can't be done with chits.
Pity that TLOS is one of the most monumentally stupid ideas for a unit-block miniatures wargame, then. (And not so smart for a platoon+ miniatures wargame, either)
Platuan4th wrote:To be fair, KoW has nothing to do with this thread either, yet the Mantic players keep bringing it up in every single Warhams thread they can.
I could bring up Mayhem instead, if you like.
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ALEXisAWESOME wrote:But the End Time fluff was fantastic (until the final 1/3 of the last book) and hasn't been childish. The Brettonian King was killed by Festus by using a rusted saw to hack off his head to wave around above his head. That is pretty hardcore.
If you're 14. Maybe even if you're older. To others it can come across as another drop in the bucket of the kind of OTT 'badazz', 'grown-up' grimdarkness that GW uses to appeal to kids. The wargaming equivalent of a 1990's comic book.
treslibras wrote:
GW has upped their sculpting quality quite a lot in recent years but a) that has apparently not saved the game
It's a pity they forgot that all that improved sculpting was still being applied to mass-produced plastic items that players needed to buy a lot of.
Micky wrote:Rumour I keep seeing is that 9E will be scale from skirmish up to mass battle - or that mass battle will be a different ruleset, or something like that.
I've seen that too, but it wasn't a rumour, it was wishlisting.
monders wrote:
ON Topic - The proposed contents seem pretty solid, and *gasp* BALANCED. That should stop a little bit of pishing and whining, right?!
I dunno, you seem to be keeping it up quite well.
Manfred von Drakken wrote:I think this is the one thing that people are really missing here. How about we actually see if the new edition is fun before completely condemning it, hm?
Because the track record isn't good. These days GW's idea of a 'fun' game created from whole cloth is Dreadfleet.
lord_blackfang wrote:Really? I haven't met anyone under 30 who could afford this hobby in years.
Well, you're forgetting about these things kids have called 'parents'. But otherwise, that's the problem, ain't it? Especially with what Lockark says:
Lockark wrote:I would argue even gwdoesn't know who they are marketing too. No market research remember?
The Division Of Joy wrote:THEY'RE the ones ruining this hobby, with their nice paints and easy to assemble miniatures!
Nope, it's GW ruining it by imagining the kidz love their stuff, while being egged on by fanboys with no pecuniary self-control.
The issue is this becomes quite difficult:
Sometimes you don't have a dedicated enough group to keep the old rules.
Since you can no longer buy the rules (excluding 2nd hand) you're unlikely to get new players. This becomes harder & harder over time.
With no armies ever getting updates things get stagnant & old. Every time someone leaves you're unlikely to replace them.
The bolded part is the misapprehension of most GW fans: 'support' means 'constantly releasing things. Things to buy. Things to churn.' A game with available rules, minis and opponents is nothing without the institutionalised conveyor belt.
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I've been talking to my local GW manager, and he said, he had heard from someone at Warhammer World that there wouldn't be round bases fully in fantasy, but they may be used for some units like nowadys with fanatics and mangler squigs. He said it would be near the end of the month or eldar in 40k may be before it. Fantasy may also be more, well, fantastical instead of historical, i.e. more knightly looking knights instead of germanic stuff for empire etc.
Who needs Grey Knights when you've got Deathwing Terminators!
Terminators don't kill people, people controlling the terminators do!
ON Topic - The proposed contents seem pretty solid, and *gasp* BALANCED. That should stop a little bit of pishing and whining, right?!
Vermis: I dunno, you seem to be keeping it up quite well.
I'm not clear on how you've reached that conclusion from one throw away comment, but I see you had a LOT of witty zingers to fire back into the discussion so I'll just assume my comment got caught up in them
Lou_Cypher wrote: Are we all assuming everything in the box will be on round bases or are people just making assumptions and the round bases end up going to the monster or war machine model?
I think it's pretty much a given that all models will be on round bases.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: 1) IN MY OPINION (in bold so there's no misunderstanding ) GW's target market is teenagers. I believe this because most people I see in a GW store are of that age range.
That doesn't mean that teenagers are their target audience, just that teenagers hang around in their stores.
How about their commercials not featuring anything but teens and pre-teens in them?
How about the statements about grabbing the one birthday and one Christmas from young buyers?
How about hearing it face to face straight from the mouth of the sales manager for Southern Europe?
Indeed, particularly when the damn books have had "for ages 14 and over" and has done since '87 in my experience. That is not to say that older than teenager is not targeted either, just so long as you have the monies.
I know this because I was Eleventeen myself at the time.
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Lou_Cypher wrote: Are we all assuming everything in the box will be on round bases or are people just making assumptions and the round bases end up going to the monster or war machine model?
I think it's pretty much a given that all models will be on round bases.
On what grounds sir?
I'll take that bet any day of the week
On the grounds that somebody on Dakka said it, so that carries a lot of water with me
I've just checked my wallet and all that's in it is 17 pence, a maxed out credit card, some fluff, and a bus ticket, so that's my bet.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: 1) IN MY OPINION (in bold so there's no misunderstanding ) GW's target market is teenagers. I believe this because most people I see in a GW store are of that age range.
That doesn't mean that teenagers are their target audience, just that teenagers hang around in their stores.
How about their commercials not featuring anything but teens and pre-teens in them? How about the statements about grabbing the one birthday and one Christmas from young buyers? How about hearing it face to face straight from the mouth of the sales manager for Southern Europe?
Indeed, particularly when the damn books have had "for ages 14 and over" and has done since '87 in my experience. That is not to say that older than teenager is not targeted either, just so long as you have the monies.
I know this because I was Eleventeen myself at the time.
I don't know how much it's changed over the years but my Epic 40k boxed set says 12 years to adult. My other boxed sets are packed away so I'm not sure what they say.
I was 9 or 10 when I started out.
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Lou_Cypher wrote: Are we all assuming everything in the box will be on round bases or are people just making assumptions and the round bases end up going to the monster or war machine model?
I think it's pretty much a given that all models will be on round bases.
On what grounds sir?
I'll take that bet any day of the week
On the grounds that somebody on Dakka said it, so that carries a lot of water with me
I've just checked my wallet and all that's in it is 17 pence, a maxed out credit card, some fluff, and a bus ticket, so that's my bet.
How about this, when Round bases don't become standard you change your profile pick to a meme of my choice.
If you win i'll do the same.
Deals?
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I'd like to get in on it as well, on pities2004's side.
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I think round bases will become a thing simply from the perspective that GW wants to emulate 40k in any way it feels may draw in more customers to WHFB-Extreme. They don't really understand their customer's interest in a game (since they didn't try to actually figure out why WHFB was struggling, and instead blew it up), and so the thought could be as simple as:
Reports show 40k is still the biggest game, but some heretical game called "Warmackerel and Horns" is etching out sales of other skirmish tabletop games. We've noticed that these games both use circular bases, so it seems prudent to move WHFB-Extreme in the the same direction.
Have we consulted our customers? [whole board bursts out laughing]
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I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
Who needs Grey Knights when you've got Deathwing Terminators!
Terminators don't kill people, people controlling the terminators do!
It does? I thought GW just dropped boulders on every single bit of WHFB fluff
And then they blew up the fluff, and the boulders for good measure!
In all seriousness though, it's an interesting time for WHFB, if you can still call it that. I think the next few months will sort out a lot of the rumors swirling around, and not for the better. Every new development has confirmed the worst of the rumors, and then some. I have my doubts about the success of "9th Edition."
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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
So can we confirm you as a rumor-monger that this will NOT happen? I'm sorry, but there have been other rumor mongers (much more credible than BOLS) that have commented on the possibility of round bases, so you will have to excuse me if I do not simply stop thinking this is a possibility because you were so strained to have to repeat yourself.
Obviously, I could be wrong, but it's your word against others. Considering that this new game seems to only somewhat resemble WHFB in its current version, I would not be all that surprised about round bases becoming a thing.
It does? I thought GW just dropped boulders on every single bit of WHFB fluff
And then they blew up the fluff, and the boulders for good measure!
In all seriousness though, it's an interesting time for WHFB, if you can still call it that. I think the next few months will sort out a lot of the rumors swirling around, and not for the better. Every new development has confirmed the worst of the rumors, and then some. I have my doubts about the success of "9th Edition."
I'm keeping my mind open as this goes on, I have no investment in WHFB currently. However, if this game is radically different and basically wipes out the old WHFB, I would be cautious about getting into the game since its designers appeared so comfortable to wipe it out once before.
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In the past 5-7 years the only advantage gw had other than being ubiquitous, is the fluff and they have gone out of the way to slaughter that like a sister of battle and bathe in it's blood.
In the past 5-7 years the only advantage gw had other than being ubiquitous, is the fluff and they have gone out of the way to slaughter that like a sister of battle and bathe in it's blood.
Well, according to GW's fluff, slaughtering Sisters of Battle and bathing in their blood gives you super powers, so perhaps they have a secret plan going on...
Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
So can we confirm you as a rumor-monger that this will NOT happen? I'm sorry, but there have been other rumor mongers (much more credible than BOLS) that have commented on the possibility of round bases, so you will have to excuse me if I do not simply stop thinking this is a possibility because you were so strained to have to repeat yourself.
Link some.
Seriously. Most of the nonsense about round bases was based upon two items shown in the End Times material(Screaming Bell and Furnace) getting mounted upon round bases for promotional shots.
They were not even part of the Studio Army, but rather a White Dwarf member's personal army.
There were comments about people thinking the new Khorne crazies mounted on Round Bases, but that got debunked pretty quickly as it was the angle of the photo and the faux mist in the shots.
Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
So can we confirm you as a rumor-monger that this will NOT happen? I'm sorry, but there have been other rumor mongers (much more credible than BOLS) that have commented on the possibility of round bases, so you will have to excuse me if I do not simply stop thinking this is a possibility because you were so strained to have to repeat yourself.
Link some.
Seriously. Most of the nonsense about round bases was based upon two items shown in the End Times material(Screaming Bell and Furnace) getting mounted upon round bases for promotional shots.
They were not even part of the Studio Army, but rather a White Dwarf member's personal army.
There were comments about people thinking the new Khorne crazies mounted on Round Bases, but that got debunked pretty quickly as it was the angle of the photo and the faux mist in the shots.
You won't stop with irrelevant points will ya?
The fact that those are from the personal army of a member of the studio is quite telling.
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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
So can we confirm you as a rumor-monger that this will NOT happen? I'm sorry, but there have been other rumor mongers (much more credible than BOLS) that have commented on the possibility of round bases, so you will have to excuse me if I do not simply stop thinking this is a possibility because you were so strained to have to repeat yourself.
Link some.
Seriously. Most of the nonsense about round bases was based upon two items shown in the End Times material(Screaming Bell and Furnace) getting mounted upon round bases for promotional shots.
They were not even part of the Studio Army, but rather a White Dwarf member's personal army.
There were comments about people thinking the new Khorne crazies mounted on Round Bases, but that got debunked pretty quickly as it was the angle of the photo and the faux mist in the shots.
You won't stop with irrelevant points will ya?
The fact that those are from the personal army of a member of the studio is quite telling.
A White Dwarf staffer is now part of the Studio? That's new.
And it really isn't "quite telling" of anything. You can go back as far as 6th edition to see members of the Studio(NOT White Dwarf or Warhammer World staffers) mounting things like the Dark Elf Reaper Bolt Thrower on 60mm round bases.
A White Dwarf staffer is now part of the Studio? That's new.
I have no words...
And it really isn't "quite telling" of anything. You can go back as far as 6th edition to see members of the Studio(NOT White Dwarf or Warhammer World staffers) mounting things like the Dark Elf Reaper Bolt Thrower on 60mm round bases.
Which had very little effect on the game. So tell me oh Kanny Kan Kan Kan, why would 2 things, which have to be placed in units to move. Units which are in square blocks, so they form neatly around them, be on oval bases? Occam's razor would suggest that said person who owns them had either been doing some playtesting (one would hope GW has done extensive playtesting for such a radical change in the game) and/or has this army specifically built for 9th.
Because, you know, working for White Dwarf in the studio would kinda give someone the inside track on the whole base situation...
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
A White Dwarf staffer is now part of the Studio? That's new.
I have no words...
Apparently you do. So stop with the meme crap and start using your words.
And it really isn't "quite telling" of anything. You can go back as far as 6th edition to see members of the Studio(NOT White Dwarf or Warhammer World staffers) mounting things like the Dark Elf Reaper Bolt Thrower on 60mm round bases.
Which had very little effect on the game. So tell me oh Kanny Kan Kan Kan, why would 2 things, which have to be placed in units to move. Units which are in square blocks, so they form neatly around them, be on oval bases? Occam's razor would suggest that said person who owns them had either been doing some playtesting (one would hope GW has done extensive playtesting for such a radical change in the game) and/or has this army specifically built for 9th.
Because, you know, working for White Dwarf in the studio would kinda give someone the inside track on the whole base situation...
Maybe they liked the model being on an oval base more than on the itty bitty base it comes with?
Because that was the base they had it on. A Knight base.
And it's not like it is exceedingly difficult to magnetize models to bases for photo shoots. Because that was the only time you saw that particular base being used, in photos where it wasn't surrounded by Skaven.
Alright, I went digging back in the WHFB Rumors thread we had going a little while back. Here are the two quotes/rumors that I feel have solid footing, enough to at least believe that round bases are not ruled out.
I've bolded the bits about round bases for convenience:
1st: A source from (supposedly very good rumorer on) Faeit that came out at the same time as the Darnok rumors popped up in January- had a lot of agreeing information.
via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:
The setting is being completely overhauled - true.
The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k - true.
Faction reduction to 6 - true
As for how it interacts with the current rules.
9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.
So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).
You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.
You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."
All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren't changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.
Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past. Viable, but not current.
Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they've been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering. This will create a more "balanced" pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we've had for 40k these past few years).
These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.
These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).
As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.
They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced). I mean... you can't get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that's why no one's complaining.
This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.
On the topic of round bases. The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses. To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.
Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game. But you don't have to. Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it's just rarely seen.
So to summarize - you can skirmish, but it's in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance. You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we're all used to.
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This will be a very big change. It is not because GW doesn't care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones. It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).
It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.
Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that's the same with any new edition. And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they're "used to" it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.
The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn't spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).
Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times. Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an "alternate timeline" where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.
2nd: Comment from Harry at the bottom of his post discussing WHFB:
Harry wrote:About six months .... but i first heard about ita good six months before I posted that.
Sometimes it is not all that cryptic .....
I tried to find some of my old posts about this. i have posted about this 6 months, 12 months and 18 months ago. But many of my recent posts have been deleted.???
In the end I had to go find some of what I had said on BOLS Forum where Big red had quoted me from here. (Thanks Red)
OK, here's one for you .....
Chaos Vs "Humans".
Quote Originally Posted by Tozudos a Dieces:
I've just read The fall of Altdorf.
OMG.
At least fluff-wise, nothing's gonna be again the same. It all will change. All.
Harry: You are not wrong there fella. That is what I have been saying.
Quote Originally Posted by Ludaman:
Awesome! Thanks Harry! I may be way off, but that sounds like the contents of a new starter Box to me.
Harry: We have been playing this game together for too many years.
Big Red: So first up, Harry called the End Times and Glottkin by name over 6 months out. So when he says something, you should take it as much more serious than garden variety rumors.
This insinuation of new boxed sets and unified "Human" factions all feeds back into Harry's earlier speculation on GW utterly shattering the game with the End Times series, to produce a very different environment and game on the other side of the series.
After months of absence, the BEST rumormonger out there returns to talk about the End Times of Warhammer Fantasy:
Harry's BACK from the wilderness!
Harry: You may remember last year I was being very vague about some 'radical changes' in a thread about 9th edition.
Back at the start of the year, in one of my first posts of the new year I said this:
I don't think they are trying to destroy it.
I suspect they will be trying their hardest to breath new life into it.
We are not seeing the "End times" for Warhammer just yet.
Did you see what I did there?
The clues are always there fellas.
So I first heard about all this last autumn?
I was told 2014 would be "Year zero" for Warhammer.
Had no idea what that meant at first but if you Google your way to the wikipedia you get this:
The term Year Zero, applied to the takeover of Cambodia in April 1975 by the Khmer Rouge, is an analogy to the Year One of the French Revolutionary Calendar. During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the French monarchy (September 20, 1792), the National Convention instituted a new calendar and declared the beginning of the Year I. The Khmer Rouge takeover of Phnom Penh was rapidly followed by a series of drastic revolutionary de-industrialization policies resulting in a death toll that vastly exceeded that of the French Reign of Terror.
The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will (as an ideal) be purged and replaced from the ground up.
It was made clear to me that this was what we were talking about for warhammer.
Everything that existed being completely destroyed (or discarded) and something new replacing it from scratch ... purged and replaced from the ground up.
I hinted in various posts that they would be getting rid of the existing timeline, the existing map, etc. (In an effort to soften the blow. )
I am going to get this a bit wrong because I honestly can't remember where I heard it but to confirm the three book rumour .... I did hear the "End times" were going to be spread over three books.
Nagash was the first, followed by Malekith followed by Glotkin
Good luck with that!
...You have to ask yourself .... What will remain of the world as we know it when it has been ravaged in turn by the Undead, the Dark Elves, Skaven, and Chaos?
...Whatever 9th is it will be set in the grimmest, darkest post apocalyptic Warhammer fantasy world yet.
You think I haven't had all the same thoughts being voiced on here?
I can't see them throwing out everything they have done either ... but the only way to own the IP is to loose all the generic Fantasy that other companies can copy ... normal Dwarves, Elves and sure as heck you have to get rid of the historical based human armies ... or you can go build an Empire or Bretonnian army from anyone's miniatures.
I can't see them getting rid of any armies either ... but they can not continue to support all of them so some of them have to go or some get mashed together.
I can't see them wanting to reduce the number of minis you need .... but if it costs too much to complete an army people don't even start an army ...so is it better to sell some minis for a scaled down game or no minis? Is it better to ramp up the Lords and monsters allowance and keep on selling the big kits so an army is 'more tanks and less infantry' and thus less minis and easier to paint .... or sell no minis.
Simple fact is so many people have so many armies now unless they do something drastic with the look of the armies no-one is buying enough minis. The only way to force folks to buy new stuff is if we cannot use our current stuff. Some folks may refuse to buy the new stuff on principal ..... what do they care? They were not buying the stuff anyway as they already had their army. Imagine how badly Fantasy must be selling compared to 40K if anyone even thought about knocking it on the head for even a moment .... they must be thinking .... it can't make things any worse!!! What have we got to loose??? But if they are doing this why even bother completing 8th edition? Why do all the books?
I have been around and around with this in my head ..... the only thing that makes any sense to me at the end of the day is that 8th edition is complete enough and robust enough to endure a bit longer and 9th edition will not be a complete new edition of the rules .... but an alternative background and rules with which to play post End times battles but you still need the core rules to play A bit like all the stuff in Strom of Magic was an add on to the existing rules. The core rules and books will still exist for those that want to remain stuck in the timeline but if you want to be down with the cool kids you really need to buy the new post End Times stuff.
I don't know what else I can add to this.
I don't have all the answers.
But for what its worth .... I think it will be round bases. First said that on here more than 18 months ago .... when someone guessed very close to the mark about WFB becoming a skirmish game.
Now, as I said before I am not full-steam ahead that round bases 100% WILL happen, but I think dismissing them because one poster said "it's not happening!" is equally unwise.
EDIT: went back and spoiler'ed everything to make for easier reading.
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Manfred von Drakken wrote:I think this is the one thing that people are really missing here. How about we actually see if the new edition is fun before completely condemning it, hm?
Because the track record isn't good. These days GW's idea of a 'fun' game created from whole cloth is Dreadfleet.
QFT
About all I can add as we hurtle towards the supposed release date of the boxed game is to repeat over and over that I don't know anyone who plays 8E currently that is excited about (this rumored game called) Warhammer 9E. I've heard a distressing amount of excitement for this "fresh start" of a round-based skirmish game, but never has that same voice admitted to enjoying or let alone playing 8E in the same breath. There are always current players alienated out by a new edition - I left 40k after 4E - but this level of attrition is extremely fethed.
- Salvage
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based of the completely half arsed way GW is bringing the new 32mm bases into 40K I'm happy to believe that IF round bases do come to 9th edition GW is not going to 'make' anybody rebase anything
now that does not mean people will not want/feel compelled to rebase to match whatever 'new' tend is established (look at all the 25-32mm adapter rings floating around)
players just have be strong and be resit the temptation to do so
Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: I hate repeating myself, but again WFB is NOT, i repeat, NOT going round bases, I heard this today, it has been rubbished by someone from the studio. I also heard that there may be 3 forms of WFB in one book: Skirmish, Herohammer, and what we know now. And personally GW aren't dumb to force all the players to rebase their models. There would be too much outrage and also it would cost more in lost sales of people leaving the hobby, than people buying the new bases to rebase the minis.
I really want to believe you about the bases, I really do
As for the underlined bit that would be quite nice actually, 3 games in one.
When you wait for a new edition like this is supposed to be, are we seriously supposed to be like an inmate on death row, waiting for a stay of execution?
KInda feeling like that, so in a word, 9th edition is crap. The whole campaign of execution for development is garbage, the basic publicity is garbage, and GW is acting like an ostrich with its head in the sand, with a pack of hyenas circling... In GW world.... everything is fine......
A new game should not feel that way at all. Why do I want to shell out paramount to a $1,000.00 for a feeling like that? Feth them at this point. If I can't get excited about it, then GW can feth off. I have other good games worth my time.
Bases are not even the issue here. Its the overall.... vibe. It honestly sucks from them at this point.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: based of the completely half arsed way GW is bringing the new 32mm bases into 40K I'm happy to believe that IF round bases do come to 9th edition GW is not going to 'make' anybody rebase anything
now that does not mean people will not want/feel compelled to rebase to match whatever 'new' tend is established (look at all the 25-32mm adapter rings floating around)
players just have be strong and be resit the temptation to do so
The problem in WHFB is that base type and size does make more of a difference than in 40k. It's no biggie to change a Space Marine from 25mm to 32mm. Changing a night goblin from 20mm square to 25mm round is a more significant change.
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