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 Vulcan wrote:
I'm hoping they don't, because that looks like a royal pain to make, and I REFUSE to buy movement trays from GW.

Look at the back row of units. They are on movement trays rather than being them. The WotR rings specified sizes.

So you could buy the fancy trays (round bases in tray) or make your own. The GW were more time intensive to base. Making your own were easy.


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 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah there are lots of options but visually circles on top of rectangles looks messy. Also a regiment of 50 gobbos based on circles will spread a lot and will take a lot more space on the table. If you ever tried spacing your wfb models on the table they will take at least double the area.

It will reduce model count and cost. This is not revolutionary as many historical games do not have model count requirements, just rules about formation base sizes.

WotR standardized BOTH model counts and formation base sizes because it used models to count wounds, which I suspect what WHF 9th will use. This still reduced the number of models need to create a formation. And for large or huge formations you aggregated those smaller standard formation sizes. It made life much simpler than how WHF does it now because you only had to build two movement tray sizes (one for infantry and one for cavalry).

I like that WotR approach with the round bases and square movement trays.

Considering some of the more dynamic poses of certain minis it's much more visually appealing to have them spread apart. Ghouls come to mind as being a royal pain to rank up properly if you didn't pay extra attention while building them.

So I may have missed this, but aside from aesthetics, what are the advantages of wfb using round bases??

barnacle111 wrote:
So I may have missed this, but aside from aesthetics, what are the advantages of wfb using round bases??

[GW]
The lucky players will get to buy whole new armies to go on those round bases without all that terrible hassle of rebasing things or looking like a neckbeard with ugly out of fashion square bases. I mean, who wants to do that, when you can buy an awesome new army!
[/GW]

Round bases huh? Well then, good thing I got IoB!

Everything I need to play 8th, plus I hear the used market for minis is going to exploOode!

darkcloak wrote:
plus I hear the used market for minis is going to exploOode!

Yeah, with everyone labelling their old plastic tat as 'pro painted' and wanting at least 75-80% of retail. (When the real retail should be at most 55-65%)

 Vermis wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
plus I hear the used market for minis is going to exploOode!

Yeah, with everyone labelling their old plastic tat as 'pro painted' and wanting at least 75-80% of retail. (When the real retail should be at most 55-65%)

they will be selling that stuff for a LONG time

 Bottle wrote:

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Like so:

I loved War of the Ring, including the visual appeal. I'd be totally fine if GW did that for their 'skirmish' game (round bases) and 'mass battles' game (round based figs go on movement trays).

I do think the idea of more movement trays would help speed up games, too.

When are we expecting a release date on this, and has anyone else heard anything of substance about this game?

How many 40k Codex are there out there right now?? I am guessing around 20 of them.. I am sure once they get the main game out we will need new army book roll out like we see the 40k books. I am sure we will be neck deep in warhammer army books in no time..

 Genoside07 wrote:
How many 40k Codex are there out there right now?? I am guessing around 20 of them.. I am sure once they get the main game out we will need new army book roll out like we see the 40k books. I am sure we will be neck deep in warhammer army books in no time..

That is one of my main fears, can you imagine little updates like, Orcs and Goblins divided in themed armybooks, "Orcs" "Savage goblins", " night goblins" " orc bestiary" etc? That would be expensive but by the looks of it they are going for the 40k approach on WFB. ET was a big step in that direction with so many books released.

Its almost June and still little to no conclusive news about what is coming.

@Sheck2 yeah if they reduce the 50 model unit to half the large unit footprint will be a non issue, I need to rethink the way things are and start fresh I guess.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Genoside07 wrote:
How many 40k Codex are there out there right now?? I am guessing around 20 of them.. I am sure once they get the main game out we will need new army book roll out like we see the 40k books. I am sure we will be neck deep in warhammer army books in no time..

That is one of my main fears, can you imagine little updates like, Orcs and Goblins divided in themed armybooks, "Orcs" "Savage goblins", " night goblins" " orc bestiary" etc? That would be expensive but by the looks of it they are going for the 40k approach on WFB. ET was a big step in that direction with so many books released.

Its almost June and still little to no conclusive news about what is coming.

@Sheck2 yeah if they reduce the 50 model unit to half the large unit footprint will be a non issue, I need to rethink the way things are and start fresh I guess.

Warhammer Army book: "Vampires" and Warhammer Army book: "Counts"

So if rumours are reporting 6 races..

what happened to Lizardmen?

Jacob29 wrote:
So if rumours are reporting 6 races..

what happened to Lizardmen?

They hopped into an Old One warp gate and are en route to Mantica

but my models :(

Jacob29 wrote:
but my models :(

That just means you get to indulge in your favorite part of the hobby: buying more models from GW! You should be thankful they are giving you the opportunity to enjoy such a treat instead of using those crufty, mangy old models!

Despite not playing Fantasy, I'm looking forward to whatever GW is doing with the game. Fantasy needed a massive jolt in the arm, and with the rumors coming out there will certainly be some radical changes to the game. I just hope that they streamline the rules a bit and tone down the Magic phase; I have heard noting but complaints about how OP some spells and armies are at this aspect of the game.

Who knows, if 9th is really good, I might just turn into a square-baser...if those are still around

 Genoside07 wrote:
How many 40k Codex are there out there right now?? I am guessing around 20 of them.. I am sure once they get the main game out we will need new army book roll out like we see the 40k books. I am sure we will be neck deep in warhammer army books in no time..

I wouldn't bet on it. GW would only do that if Fantasy really starts making money. At least all the old armies are rumored to be playable in some form.

As a general question, how different from 8th edition Fantasy do people think that the new game will be? (Side question: how many ideas will be blatantly stolen from Kings of War?)

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Despite not playing Fantasy, I'm looking forward to whatever GW is doing with the game. Fantasy needed a massive jolt in the arm, and with the rumors coming out there will certainly be some radical changes to the game. I just hope that they streamline the rules a bit and tone down the Magic phase; I have heard noting but complaints about how OP some spells and armies are at this aspect of the game.

The core game rules updates in End Times did exactly the opposite and looking at how 7th ed 40k turned out I'd say this is definitely the direction GW have been taking their rules for a while now.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Despite not playing Fantasy, I'm looking forward to whatever GW is doing with the game. Fantasy needed a massive jolt in the arm, and with the rumors coming out there will certainly be some radical changes to the game. I just hope that they streamline the rules a bit and tone down the Magic phase; I have heard noting but complaints about how OP some spells and armies are at this aspect of the game.

The core game rules updates in End Times did exactly the opposite and looking at how 7th ed 40k turned out I'd say this is definitely the direction GW have been taking their rules for a while now.

Then again, Fantasy End Times didn't exactly sell like hotcakes. Who knows? Certainly not anyone in this thread.

It always bugs me about how GW handles their hype. We hear nothing but unconfirmed rumors, and then suddenly the new product is upon us. One would think that GW would be putting more hype behind their reboot of one of their core IP and game systems!

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Despite not playing Fantasy, I'm looking forward to whatever GW is doing with the game. Fantasy needed a massive jolt in the arm, and with the rumors coming out there will certainly be some radical changes to the game. I just hope that they streamline the rules a bit and tone down the Magic phase; I have heard noting but complaints about how OP some spells and armies are at this aspect of the game.

The core game rules updates in End Times did exactly the opposite and looking at how 7th ed 40k turned out I'd say this is definitely the direction GW have been taking their rules for a while now.

Then again, Fantasy End Times didn't exactly sell like hotcakes. Who knows? Certainly not anyone in this thread.

It always bugs me about how GW handles their hype. We hear nothing but unconfirmed rumors, and then suddenly the new product is upon us. One would think that GW would be putting more hype behind their reboot of one of their core IP and game systems!

Not only that but the average income client does not consider 75£ or something similar for a new starter as an impulse buy. People need to plan ahead and in a world of no news they will spend it on other games or Kickstarters.
So yes no news = no sales. Its like GW is reducing their client interest on purpose, probably they dont want to sell much, makes sense since sales are going so well.

Jacob29 wrote:
So if rumours are reporting 6 races..

what happened to Lizardmen?

I would bet nothing... the photos a few pages back show that the Lizardmen have been transferred to round bases - a good indication that they will be used in the new edition in some way shape or form.

 Flashman wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
So if rumours are reporting 6 races..

what happened to Lizardmen?

I would bet nothing... the photos a few pages back show that the Lizardmen have been transferred to round bases - a good indication that they will be used in the new edition in some way shape or form.

I legit don't know how they are gonna do this 6 split then.

At first I thought:

Chaos - Woc, Beastmen, Demons
"Man" - Empire, Brets, Dwarves
Greenskins - O&G, Ogres?
Skaven - always popular, one of GW's "unique" race
Elves - already seeing signs of this one
Undead - aka Nagash based

I guess Skaven could go with Chaos or Greenskins.. But I can't see Lizardmen really teaming up with anyone. Their like lawful good or something and seeing Lizards with Elves or Man is.. strange.

It's also possible that the six factions rumour is nonsense. Some exiting armies may get streamlined (Elves, Undead), but they may just leave others more or less as they are.

In the End Times, Lizardmen got out of Dodge before the big explosion, but this surely doesn't preclude them coming back.

 Flashman wrote:
It's also possible that the six factions rumour is nonsense. Some exiting armies may get streamlined (Elves, Undead), but they may just leave others more or less as they are.

In the End Times, Lizardmen got out of Dodge before the big explosion, but this surely doesn't preclude them coming back.

i have heard it will be 4

order-elves, men, dwarves, lizards
disorder-skaven, o&g, ogres
Chaos-woc, beastmen, demons
Undead- tk and vc

 Flashman wrote:
It's also possible that the six factions rumour is nonsense. Some exiting armies may get streamlined (Elves, Undead), but they may just leave others more or less as they are.

That is possible. However, consider what we know:
1) GW had a bit of a rude awakening to reality in their court case against Chapterhouse on the subject of the defensibility of some of their products as unique IP.
2) A lot of Warhammer Fantasy's existing design is derivative of other fantasy
3) Warhammer Fantasy's sales have been tanking.

It seems awfully coincidental that GW carried out the end times plot with the promise of cataclysmic change for the game setting considering the above. This is the same GW that is happy having a new edition being a slight rules polish with no plot advancement.

It also seems hugely coincidental that the armies that have either been shown in court to not be unique (lizardmen) or are clearly derivative from history or fantasy (empire, dwarfs, all flavours of Elves) are some of those rumoured to be facing major overhauls.

I suspect that what we will see is not a clear cut elimination of those existing armies, but rather a severance of any support for them. They will be deemed playable in the new edition, but when their next army book comes out, they will see drastic changes to their makeup and theme.

The six factions thing is odd because it goes against what GW has done with 40k which has been to make more and more factions (and to break existing factions into multiple books).

Now, obviously they could be trying a totally different approach to WHFB. But if we were to speculate from 40k it seems likely that the "six factions" may just be a way of making allies much more an integral part of Fantasy, and we can still expect a multitude of different books for each race, but under a wider banner (such as Warhammer Armies: Order - Army Book Empire).

 Bottle wrote:
The six factions thing is odd because it goes against what GW has done with 40k which has been to make more and more factions (and to break existing factions into multiple books).

Now, obviously they could be trying a totally different approach to WHFB. But if we were to speculate from 40k it seems likely that the "six factions" may just be a way of making allies much more an integral part of Fantasy, and we can still expect a multitude of different books for each race, but under a wider banner (such as Warhammer Armies: Order - Army Book Empire).

It kinda falls inline with what gw is doing with 40k IMO. The "general" books leave openings to lots of cult books. Cult of slanessh, savage orc warhost, empire knightly orders, chaos warbands, etc. There is plenty of room to make sub or ancellary armybooks

My bet is that lizardmen become a reptilian variation of beastmen. Oh, that would be such masterful trolling.

Vetril wrote:
My bet is that lizardmen become a reptilian variation of beastmen. Oh, that would be such masterful trolling.

Yeah... the Slan have left the building and the poor skinks just huddle around the goatmen for warmth...

I just said screw it and scheduled a WFB tournament at my shop for the 21st.

If the rules don't appear, we'll play 40k or magic

Tired of waiting on GW, and never having time to schedule launch weekends like I used to.

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I'm thinking.....a dangerous process in and of itself!....that since we don't have a squats chance in hell of getting information from GW about the next edition of Warhammer Fantasy, that I'm just going to make a make a guess and go with that. There are 'rumors' all over the various gaming sites, but no solid info of any sort.
I'm guessing the next version warhammer comes out June 20th, 2015. Lets go with that.
So let it be written, so let it be done!!!!
We will be up late on Friday night at the Swarthmore store with food and refreshments, and spend a few hours switching models to round bases (if that's true?). Have some fun, read the new rules, goof off, maybe try a game.
Sunday June 21st we'll hold the first 9th edition tournament. And yes, you'll need your own copy of the game to play in the tournament. It will be amusing enough to play with barely any rules knowledge. Having people who don't even own the book and havent read it at all would be silly.
No cost for the tournament. No real requirements on painting or modeling other than no stupid proxies, or hideous clay sculptures. If you don't have the model, you don't proxie something for it.
If they have both Skirmish and large game rules, we'll play the new skirmish version.
We'll play two rounds, try for three rounds if it goes well. Winners vs winners, but prizes will be random and provided by the store.
No entry fee. Free food. Free prizes. No whining.
No, really, i'm guessing this time. I've begged GW for info. Best i got was "well, probably we'll have WFB this mid summer...maybe". More info as we beat it out of them.