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With basically no rules in the box and the two most widely available armies (since its basically good humans v evil humans) I cant see this selling well.

 Lorizael wrote:

 NoPoet wrote:


Now it's not so much the army books that are obsolete, but the hundreds of pounds worth of miniatures everyone owns, since apparently some units and even some races are being given the heave-ho.

GW staff have been told that no miniatures (except Island of Blood) are being removed from the shelves.

Honestly, the rumours about lines being discontinued are pretty foolish- some kits probably have barely made any profit if they've been released over the past year or so.

Well, no more foolish than GW's decision making. GW has chosen to allow rumor and wishlisting to fill the space their advertising should be using.

Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules, many people will buy the starter boxes even if they don't play either army just for that mini-rule book so they don't have to drag around their big hard back. They even went to the trouble of making a new mini rulebook to put in dark vengeance sets when 7th came out. GW's mini rule books have always been a huge selling point for their starter sets.

I truely can not belive for one moment they would not have a mini rule book in the starter set.

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules, many people will buy the starter boxes even if they don't play either army just for that mini-rule book so they don't have to drag around their big hard back. They even went to the trouble of making a new mini rulebook to put in dark vengeance sets when 7th came out. GW's mini rule books have always been a huge selling point for their starter sets.

I truely can not belive for one moment they would not have a mini rule book in the starter set.

100%! If this is true it is a terrible terrible move by GW.

The Starter Sets are more expensive than the full rule book and so including it in the box nets more money for GW. I am not sure who will buy the starter set if there are no rules in it. I am an Empire Player, but if I have to buy the large rule book anyway, I am not going to be getting the starter set because what worth does it have to me? Any money saved from the starter set now comes in the form of chaos miniatures that I don't particularly want...

..but.. but, if they give a full rulebook in the box, you don't need to immediately buy the £50 three book special a week or two later!!!

I really can see it, it fits with their current way of doing things on fast cash building releases. It will suck, partially as I like having the convenience of a small rulebook during battle time, but I sadly can see it happening.

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules

Not always. LOTR/Hobbit starters had cut down rules with no points/lists for anything not in the box, so you had to buy the BRB to actually play anything but the scenarios.

They're a miniatures company that figured out ages ago they could rinse us all by selling books, and everyone bought into it.

If they can escalate that and make more money, it surprises me they haven't done it already...

 Bottle wrote:


100%! If this is true it is a terrible terrible move by GW.

The Starter Sets are more expensive than the full rule book and so including it in the box nets more money for GW. I am not sure who will buy the starter set if there are no rules in it. I am an Empire Player, but if I have to buy the large rule book anyway, I am not going to be getting the starter set because what worth does it have to me? Any money saved from the starter set now comes in the form of chaos miniatures that I don't particularly want...

Yeh I'm with you on this as well. Actually I'm not interested in either empire or chaos particularly, no matter how great the minis might be in the box. If it doesn't contain complete and full rules for this new Warhammer then I won't be buying it, simple as that... I was actually planning on picking up age of sigmar, flogging both armies to other gamers (perhaps people who want to start empire or chaos armies) and then using the money from that to start up a new elf army when the army books are released and we know 'what is what' (like which units are still valid, what sort of bases they sit on, how units form up etc...). The only reason for me to buy age of sigmar is for the complete rules...

One of the previous starter boxes for 40k didn't have a full rulebook in if I recall correctly (was it battle for macragge?). So it's not like it would be unprecedented if it were true. Still doubt it, it'd be a bit of a flip-flop to go back to that.

It doesn't get GW more money really. Because the majority of people now spend £50 on a rule book rather than £75 on a Starter Set.

People buying both will be a minority.

Herzlos wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules

Not always. LOTR/Hobbit starters had cut down rules with no points/lists for anything not in the box, so you had to buy the BRB to actually play anything but the scenarios.

Maybe the hobbit, but the first 3 LotR sets all had a full rule book in them.

FWIW the Uk GW store managers have one of their regular get-togethers this Sunday/start of next week,

Would seem reasonable to assume that they might well get a sneak peek at some stuff, or at the very least a demo game or two.

have heard some whispers about demo games -- "in some form or other" being available from GW stores the 4th of July.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules

Not always. LOTR/Hobbit starters had cut down rules with no points/lists for anything not in the box, so you had to buy the BRB to actually play anything but the scenarios.

Maybe the hobbit, but the first 3 LotR sets all had a full rule book in them.

Maybe when the LOTR starter set switched to the Mines of Moria set? Because yeah, the Fellowship, Towers and King sets all had the full rulebook in lovely glossy A4

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules

Not always. LOTR/Hobbit starters had cut down rules with no points/lists for anything not in the box, so you had to buy the BRB to actually play anything but the scenarios.

Maybe the hobbit, but the first 3 LotR sets all had a full rule book in them.

Maybe when the LOTR starter set switched to the Mines of Moria set? Because yeah, the Fellowship, Towers and King sets all had the full rulebook in lovely glossy A4

so did mines of moria and the hobbit starter. Both of those sets I split with others specifically for the small book. Maybe at one point it didn't but that wasn't always the case

^still have my mines of moria rulebook and models!
I never played that game though I just got the models to paint because I was young and just loved lord of the rings...then I picked up some dark eldar jet bikes and an eldar jetbike to paint and dropped the hobby for years and years...picked up 40k then fantasy (which I should have started in the first place because my friend, his brother and dad played)

I think they will include a rulebook within the kit...I highly doubt they wouldn't include it especially if the big rulebook is released the week after which is what I heard (read that somewhere??)
We should be getting some leaked images of the actual box contents soon I'm sure early next week...there's no way they can keep something this big under wraps till a few days before

I don't think that gw will not include a rulebook at least in a4 format. Simply this reimagining of fantasy is 100% geared towards getting new players into a system deemed "too expensive to start" so not having a rulebook with the starter is counter to that goal. There will be a VERY trimmed down version of the rulebook and they will still offer the full book at $100 now and a limited at like $225 just to see who will pay that nonsense. Those who want it will buy it and those who don't wont. The main source of rulebooks for players will be the starter book that contains ALL the rules for the skirmish game only.

There is zero talk about AoS at both of the FLGS I frequent. Was hoping it would bring in some new players but I don't see it happening in my small part of the world. Looks like I will have to travel to Pittsburgh if I want to get a game in

Honestly, there isn't much to talk about. We know it's coming and that's about as definitive as anyone knows.

Its almost all we talk about at my local gw. Sure their are lots of 40k players but the entire fantasy crowd has been wishlisting and talking about it a lot. Helps the store manager is 99% fantasy and only 1% 40k. Midnight release is planned, he is getting rid of any 40k tables and terrain and replacing it with fantasy, etc. Lots of skeptics but still everyone is waiting to see what happens and plenty of 40k only players talking about making the jump into fantasy now if its affordable.

A rule book contains only the skirmish rules isn't a full rulebook.

 Bottle wrote:
A rule book contains only the skirmish rules isn't a full rulebook.

Remember this isn't fantasy its AOS they are branding it as a NEW game not 9th edition. So the skirmish rules when released, im guessing here, will be the ONLY rules until a supplement is released for massed battles. I do not see gw missing the opportunity to sell us another book to play massed battles

Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No one's posted this?

From the Bell

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-box-contents.html

I certrainly hope this is BS, because if true I can't see why anyone would buy it. Old minis and a crippled rule book? No thanks. The only way I see the AoS being any kind of success is if its packed with really brilliant new miniatures that will appeal to both new and old players.

 mdauben wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No one's posted this?

From the Bell

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-box-contents.html

I certrainly hope this is BS, because if true I can't see why anyone would buy it. Old minis and a crippled rule book? No thanks. The only way I see the AoS being any kind of success is if its packed with really brilliant new miniatures that will appeal to both new and old players.

What I don't believe in that rumor is it's going to cost under $100

I've been curiously following AOS as I've always been a 40k player, and this seems like a good time to make a transition to also play fantasy.

One thing I would like to say is, don't listen to this steve the war boss's recent BOLS rumor of the boxed set. So far, I'm pretty sure he's either completely wrong, or has just gotten the blatantly obvious rumors right.

steve the warboss has an atrocious accuracy rate. Pile on the salt

 Lockark wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Except Warmachine puts the QuickStart in the £35 sets and full rules in the £75 two player sets and £90 super bargain army boxes.

If AoS is over £50 and doesn't have the full rules, then I hope GW enjoys burying the unsold copies in a Nottingham landfill.

The starter boxes have always had the full rules, many people will buy the starter boxes even if they don't play either army just for that mini-rule book so they don't have to drag around their big hard back. They even went to the trouble of making a new mini rulebook to put in dark vengeance sets when 7th came out. GW's mini rule books have always been a huge selling point for their starter sets.

I truely can not belive for one moment they would not have a mini rule book in the starter set.

Except later LotR/Hobbit sets which featured horrible cut-down rules with exactly this situation (IE bare minimum rules and only for included models)

 namiel wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
A rule book contains only the skirmish rules isn't a full rulebook.

Remember this isn't fantasy its AOS they are branding it as a NEW game not 9th edition. So the skirmish rules when released, im guessing here, will be the ONLY rules until a supplement is released for massed battles. I do not see gw missing the opportunity to sell us another book to play massed battles

If they wanted us to believe that gak, they ought not have removed all of the army books and put AoS placards in their places.

 namiel wrote:
Its almost all we talk about at my local gw. Sure their are lots of 40k players but the entire fantasy crowd has been wishlisting and talking about it a lot. Helps the store manager is 99% fantasy and only 1% 40k. Midnight release is planned, he is getting rid of any 40k tables and terrain and replacing it with fantasy, etc. Lots of skeptics but still everyone is waiting to see what happens and plenty of 40k only players talking about making the jump into fantasy now if its affordable.

Unfortunately this is the exact way GW builds up a lot of the resentment it generates from customers. No information, so its all wishlisting, and as you say at the end the assumption that 'now its affordable'.

The problem comes when what is released does not match those wishlists, or is not as affordable as some are hoping. This has a tendency to then become a GW problem, rather than just people getting the wrong idea. A recent example is the assassin game, a lack of information led to a build up of ideas about what it would be, and in the end it was just 4 new models with a load of extra sprues from a starter box for a typically GW pricepoint. If we had all known for 2 months beforehand that was what it was, would the disappointment been as prevalent? I'm not sure, the assassins are nice models after all.

This is the main issue with the no advertising thing, GW do not control the narrative, which inevitably leads to disappointment, and annoyed customers. They do only have themselves to blame for it though.