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 SJM wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Doesn't really seem reasonable to dismiss rules nobody's read yet as a "minimal afterthought".

Here's hoping, but it reeks of "hey we don't care how you actually play just buy these minis"

It fits entirely in line with GW's investor statements. Collectible figures first and foremost, rules a distant concern.

To be honest, I read it as there are simple base rules to pick up, then perhaps each new unit comes with additional rules to expand them. Off course this is just my interpretation and could be total rubbish.

And the whole 'rules are free on the website' thing kinda puts paid to this.

Via Warseer

Montegue wrote:Information from local rep -

1) 4 Pages of rules, downloadable.
2) War Scrolls - each individual unit box comes with it's own rules, as rumored previously.
3) Rules released on July 4th, including rules for old units and models.
4) Base shape and size are completely irrelevant. Base your models how you like, measure from model to model. No movement trays necessary.
5) No more rule books or army books.
6) Unbound sounds like a thing. "You can play with your favorite miniatures, you don't have to be tied down to one army"
7) No points. (yep, no points). Speculation is that you agree how many of each unit type you and your opponent will use (So, an HQ, 2 troops, two fast attack. That's language used in the thread. Don't know if it's his or the rep's, so salt).
8) You can begin play as small as you like, and it scales up infinitely.

BeardMonk wrote:Fresh off twitter. Some retailers who have just spoken to their reps. @WAAAGHgoblin @Rhellion

1) Hero Phase, Movement phase, Shooting Phase, Charge Phase, Combat Phase, Battleshock Phase
2) Magic and Command abilities are done in the Hero Phase
3) You fight people within 3"... or people you have charged.
4) Free rules. This Saturday. PDF form on GW site. 10am central time. Army books are now called warScrolls, also free.
5) No points. I guess it is determined by model count. If opponent outnumbers, lower count gets special rules. (I don't understand it either)
6) Said we can still use ranked up units but doesn't sound like it gives a bonus.
7) Doesn't sound like you need a general. Said you can take any two box sets off the wall and play a game.

Base shape and size are completely irrelevant - Hrm I don't really get this, surely this will be a nightmare for actual play?

Thanks for passing on the info. So do those incentives mean you too will be going really big on this one as well despite the existing event that day? I'm going to guess yes (why say no to free stuff as long as you have the staff?) but figured I'd ask.[i]

Yep, figuring it out now, and did a big post on our facebook page. But basically....

Demo games from the 4th on

Midnight release on friday the 10th

Quite a few events that weekend

Starting a league for Saturdays

Free tournament on the 12th

Free paint, glue, and hobby supplies for modeling

raffles, prizes, etc

and

Age of Sigmar will be 90. 00 for people picking the game up at the store from Friday midnight until close on Sunday. (Or for those who can't make it and pre-pay.)

I posted something over on the WHFB boards, but as of right now, all of the old Army Books are gone from the GW Webstore.

It seems AoS will be the 'only' way to play moving forward.

Thinking about it mtg rules could probably fit on 1 sheet of a4 but the additional rules on the cards add depth to the game.

The way I see it could possibly work is that your characters have buffs that effect its factions troops, maybe their are characters that interact with two factions. Maybe you could add units from other factions that have synergy with each other I.e orcs and ogres that would give further tactical options.

by keeping the rules online or on unit cards in the boxes you could simply add singular allied units to your force to try out new options, rather than having to jump in and by a new army book.

The idea of factions would certainly open up a much more interesting allies mechanic than in 40k.

 namiel wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Some interesting stuff there Mikhaila.

Did they happen to say what the war scrolls actuly are?
Cards or a full page sorta thing ?

Sounds like they are at least looking to try some new stuff.
But interest here has been whole negative so I don't think I will be getting anything unless the rules are great.

no such internet forum is ever positive. Don't let the naysayers here dissuade you from enjoying a game

Speaking as a naysayer: despite my eternal burning hatred(joke, before anyone reflexively bunches their panties) for whoever decided to murder the Old World, and my utter distaste for the Sigmarines both in concept and aesthetic as Fantasy models, fair play to GW - rules wise this is exactly what they needed to do.

A system that scales well from Mordheim-esque skirmish up to 40K standard game-ish size that's free to download, potentially supported in future not by an endless cycle of glorified hardback FAQs but by optional campaign books that provide extra fluff/scenarios/etc is exactly the kind of thing people who criticise their normal business model have been clamouring for for years. It's a shame the rumoured "formations" system is apparently a bust, as that would have really added to larger games IMO, but we can always hope they put out something along those lines at a later date as a supplement(and in the meantime those lucky enough to have a regular group can throw together some houserules), and it would also be nice to see them put out a really detailed campaign system ala Mordheim.

We'll have to see how this goes. If the rules really are free I'll give them a go with my existing models, whether I can stick with it long-term depends on how easy it is to ignore the crappy new fluff, whether Sigmarines actually do become "fantasy Space Marines"(in that you end up playing against them constantly), and of course whether they're actually any good.

No points costs?

By all means agree to one HQ and two troops. Then your opponent pulls out Nagash to use against your Goblin Warboss

 HungryTaz wrote:
I posted something over on the WHFB boards, but as of right now, all of the old Army Books are gone from the GW Webstore.

It seems AoS will be the 'only' way to play moving forward.

Well actually as of some time ago but yeah, they are gone, they got removed last week I think?

No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots and units avilable is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

So Michael?

Are you excited enough to think this could be a renewal of the GW you USED to know?

Back when your stores overflowed with happy gamers?

Your plan sounds pretty damn smart with some real energy behind it, so I have a feeling you are truly jazzed up..... and I am almost thinking about trying to work in a visit.

Best of Luck to you!



Now can we all get back to comparing the Sigmarites to Space Marines please?
I am missing it already.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots avilable ad same number of units is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

Works well in Wrath of Kings. You just have slots. At most you have "Ranks of 1 or 2" with rank 2's just taking up two of the previously mentioned slots. That said it'll be interesting to see what they do.

And you can't beat the price for a GW game and most of us already have a plethora of models.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots avilable ad same number of units is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

There's a lot of noise coming out alongside the good stuff, and I have a feeling this no points thing is just noise. Imagine what a mess that would be. I think some people just like to stoke up drama, like the whole "none of your existing models are going to be compatible" thing people were putting around a couple of days ago.

 edlowe wrote:
Thinking about it mtg rules could probably fit on 1 sheet of a4 but the additional rules on the cards add depth to the game.

The way I see it could possibly work is that your characters have buffs that effect its factions troops, maybe their are characters that interact with two factions. Maybe you could add units from other factions that have synergy with each other I.e orcs and ogres that would give further tactical options.

by keeping the rules online or on unit cards in the boxes you could simply add singular allied units to your force to try out new options, rather than having to jump in and by a new army book.

The idea of factions would certainly open up a much more interesting allies mechanic than in 40k.

I quite like the idea that an ogre general gives ogres a bonus, for example. Yes, you can choose whatever you like in your force, but if you want the bonuses, pick troops from the same faction.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
No points costs?

By all means agree to one HQ and two troops. Then your opponent pulls out Nagash to use against your Goblin Warboss

????? I have heard nothing, nor could I fathom, a game without points costs.

I expect that the points for each unit will be on their Warscroll. Hopefully not full page sized. I want small cards like the old epic versions. Printing my own and reducing the size if i have to before gluing to cardboard for an old school feel

 Hulksmash wrote:


Works well in Wrath of Kings. You just have slots. At most you have "Ranks of 1 or 2" with rank 2's just taking up two of the previously mentioned slots. That said it'll be interesting to see what they do.

And you can't beat the price for a GW game and most of us already have a plethora of models.

Well, that is a point system, even if the only two point values in the range are 1 and 2.

Wonderwolf wrote:
Via Warseer

Montegue wrote:Information from local rep -

1) 4 Pages of rules, downloadable.
2) War Scrolls - each individual unit box comes with it's own rules, as rumored previously.
3) Rules released on July 4th, including rules for old units and models.
4) Base shape and size are completely irrelevant. Base your models how you like, measure from model to model. No movement trays necessary.
5) No more rule books or army books.
6) Unbound sounds like a thing. "You can play with your favorite miniatures, you don't have to be tied down to one army"
7) No points. (yep, no points). Speculation is that you agree how many of each unit type you and your opponent will use (So, an HQ, 2 troops, two fast attack. That's language used in the thread. Don't know if it's his or the rep's, so salt).
8) You can begin play as small as you like, and it scales up infinitely.

BeardMonk wrote:Fresh off twitter. Some retailers who have just spoken to their reps. @WAAAGHgoblin @Rhellion

1) Hero Phase, Movement phase, Shooting Phase, Charge Phase, Combat Phase, Battleshock Phase
2) Magic and Command abilities are done in the Hero Phase
3) You fight people within 3"... or people you have charged.
4) Free rules. This Saturday. PDF form on GW site. 10am central time. Army books are now called warScrolls, also free.
5) No points. I guess it is determined by model count. If opponent outnumbers, lower count gets special rules. (I don't understand it either)
6) Said we can still use ranked up units but doesn't sound like it gives a bonus.
7) Doesn't sound like you need a general. Said you can take any two box sets off the wall and play a game.

From here Mikaila

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
No points costs?

By all means agree to one HQ and two troops. Then your opponent pulls out Nagash to use against your Goblin Warboss

Exactly what I was thinking. No doubt they have something up their sleeve, but then again, this is GW

 Yodhrin wrote:

 namiel wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
Some interesting stuff there Mikhaila.

Did they happen to say what the war scrolls actuly are?
Cards or a full page sorta thing ?

Sounds like they are at least looking to try some new stuff.
But interest here has been whole negative so I don't think I will be getting anything unless the rules are great.

no such internet forum is ever positive. Don't let the naysayers here dissuade you from enjoying a game

Speaking as a naysayer: despite my eternal burning hatred(joke, before anyone reflexively bunches their panties) for whoever decided to murder the Old World, and my utter distaste for the Sigmarines both in concept and aesthetic as Fantasy models, fair play to GW - rules wise this is exactly what they needed to do.

A system that scales well from Mordheim-esque skirmish up to 40K standard game-ish size that's free to download, potentially supported in future not by an endless cycle of glorified hardback FAQs but by optional campaign books that provide extra fluff/scenarios/etc is exactly the kind of thing people who criticise their normal business model have been clamouring for for years. It's a shame the rumoured "formations" system is apparently a bust, as that would have really added to larger games IMO, but we can always hope they put out something along those lines at a later date as a supplement(and in the meantime those lucky enough to have a regular group can throw together some houserules), and it would also be nice to see them put out a really detailed campaign system ala Mordheim.

We'll have to see how this goes. If the rules really are free I'll give them a go with my existing models, whether I can stick with it long-term depends on how easy it is to ignore the crappy new fluff, whether Sigmarines actually do become "fantasy Space Marines"(in that you end up playing against them constantly), and of course whether they're actually any good.

I just dislike people are making uninformed opinions and others may read that and take it not for what it is(naysaying) and actually read into it without further investigation. I am hoping this game goes well, im hoping that all of my fantasy stuff is still viable, truly viable, and im hoping more people jump on board. The only reason is simply ill have more people to play

BTW, there are games out there with the pedigree to suggest that Unit Sizes are not important, and it works.

Warlord games BLACK POWDER rules for example class units as SMALL or LARGE.
There is some bonus for LARGE.

And the book mentions that for players who like the look of large blocks, you can use them.
But the PRECISE number of models doesn't matter... there is some aesthetic value for those who care.

Like I will still stick to the fluff that I know and love when it comes to O&G armies.
I would never field a 10 strong unit of Goblins or Spearman.
It would look way too weedy.

Games can work fine without points.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Games can work fine without points.

Which games do not use a points system in which the abilities of individual models can vary as much as that between an End Times legendary hero and your bog standard goblin boss?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
Via Warseer

Montegue wrote:Information from local rep -

1) 4 Pages of rules, downloadable.
2) War Scrolls - each individual unit box comes with it's own rules, as rumored previously.
3) Rules released on July 4th, including rules for old units and models.
4) Base shape and size are completely irrelevant. Base your models how you like, measure from model to model. No movement trays necessary.
5) No more rule books or army books.
6) Unbound sounds like a thing. "You can play with your favorite miniatures, you don't have to be tied down to one army"
7) No points. (yep, no points). Speculation is that you agree how many of each unit type you and your opponent will use (So, an HQ, 2 troops, two fast attack. That's language used in the thread. Don't know if it's his or the rep's, so salt).
8) You can begin play as small as you like, and it scales up infinitely.

BeardMonk wrote:Fresh off twitter. Some retailers who have just spoken to their reps. @WAAAGHgoblin @Rhellion

1) Hero Phase, Movement phase, Shooting Phase, Charge Phase, Combat Phase, Battleshock Phase
2) Magic and Command abilities are done in the Hero Phase
3) You fight people within 3"... or people you have charged.
4) Free rules. This Saturday. PDF form on GW site. 10am central time. Army books are now called warScrolls, also free.
5) No points. I guess it is determined by model count. If opponent outnumbers, lower count gets special rules. (I don't understand it either)
6) Said we can still use ranked up units but doesn't sound like it gives a bonus.
7) Doesn't sound like you need a general. Said you can take any two box sets off the wall and play a game.

From here Mikaila

Something I will be checking on right now, could be a huge game changer.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots avilable ad same number of units is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

Works well in Wrath of Kings. You just have slots. At most you have "Ranks of 1 or 2" with rank 2's just taking up two of the previously mentioned slots. That said it'll be interesting to see what they do.

And you can't beat the price for a GW game and most of us already have a plethora of models.

Maybe it will work. Maybe it's just a simplistic kiddie game.

4 page rules and rules with units can be potentialy good as well but it all depends on the tactical depth of the game, and we already had rumors that it's less tactical than LotR. Then I dont know what happens with my dear grimdark.

I'm cautiously pessimistic.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Games can work fine without points.

Which games do not use a points system in which the abilities of individual models can vary as much as that between an End Times legendary hero and your bog standard goblin boss?

You're showing an awful lack of imagination if you can't work out at least one way to manage it.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots avilable ad same number of units is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

Works well in Wrath of Kings. You just have slots. At most you have "Ranks of 1 or 2" with rank 2's just taking up two of the previously mentioned slots. That said it'll be interesting to see what they do.

And you can't beat the price for a GW game and most of us already have a plethora of models.

So I bring my Skaven warlord and you bring Nagash... and that's supposed to be balanced?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Games can work fine without points.

Which games do not use a points system in which the abilities of individual models can vary as much as that between an End Times legendary hero and your bog standard goblin boss?

You're showing an awful lack of imagination if you can't work out at least one way to manage it.

Ah, so you have no response and instead resort to attacking my apparent lack of imagination.

 Vulcan wrote:

So I bring my Skaven warlord and you bring Nagash... and that's supposed to be balanced?

I'm sure they'll be more to it than that.

I'm sure there will be categories like Major Hero, Minor hero (where a major hero is equal to 2 minor heroes, or similar).

Then unit size balances troops. For a slot you might get 10 goblins, 5 Halberdier, or 3 Chaos Warriors, each unit being roughly equal in effectiveness on the tabletop.

If's far from impossible to do.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
No points lol.

Both players having the same number of slots avilable ad same number of units is some way to balance the game, it's pretty crude though and requires a lot of standarisation.

Works well in Wrath of Kings. You just have slots. At most you have "Ranks of 1 or 2" with rank 2's just taking up two of the previously mentioned slots. That said it'll be interesting to see what they do.

And you can't beat the price for a GW game and most of us already have a plethora of models.

Maybe it will work. Maybe it's just a simplistic kiddie game.

4 page rules and rules with units can be potentialy good as well but it all depends on the tactical depth of the game, and we already had rumors that it's less tactical than LotR. Then I dont know what happens with my dear grimdark.

I'm cautiously pessimistic.

Less tactical then LOTR? Lotr is/was the MOST tactical game of all 3 big games. It is SUPER easy to learn but difficult to master. If this ruleset is similar to LOTR then we are all in luck since that is a very tight and simple ruleset that allows for tons of tactics.