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Pretre, that's hilarious.

In a game as detailed and wide-ranging as Age of Sigmar...

-----> 4 pages of rules



I don't know, with this latest round of revelations I might actually pick up the rules and try a game with my old miniatures. Simplifying the rules so much is a ballsy move. Beyond that, still meh.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is it alternating activations? That would be interesting

The melee phase seems to be like that, apart from that it's the same as always.

In fairness to GW, this doesn't seem to be as overly clunky as WHFB is. I'm willing to take a shot at this.

A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is it alternating activations? That would be interesting

Only in close combat (starting controlling player).

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

I was just thinking that myself lol. I don't think there's many rumour mongers that got this release right!

I've always played with a sudden death rule, my armies are usually wiped out by turn 4. It's like I've secretly been playtesting Age of Sigmar for the last 20 years.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

I detect your sarcasm ( ) but for clarity I really don't think I have.

This is the company that gave us Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda. It's genuinely painful to see it come to this.

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

Aye, I'm not sure any of them saw this coming..

Still torn, part of me likes the idea of bring what I want.. and I have the advantages of no current ,models so no investment issues, and two lads eager to play wargames.. but the points thing is so weird.. need to see more info before I can make a final call.

I'm sure the point cost or whatever replace it will be on the actual corresponding unit's "card"

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

I'm still not seeing any Nigmos, what a shame. I was looking forward to the Nigmos.

People are spazzing about the white dwarf ARTICLE that has a blurb about army building similar to how they always promote army building and they have always had points (or in this case likely a balancing mechanic).

How about just waiting 5 days for the rules to be released online?

migooo wrote:
Oh so now the stats have all changed as well?

And they have the nerve to call it warhammer?

I propose this game is called "WINO".

Warhammer In Name Only.

 Hulksmash wrote:
People are spazzing about the white dwarf ARTICLE that has a blurb about army building similar to how they always promote army building and they have always had points (or in this case likely a balancing mechanic).

How about just waiting 5 days for the rules to be released online?

this

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

I'm still not seeing any Nigmos, what a shame. I was looking forward to the Nigmos.

Have an exalt sir

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

I detect your sarcasm ( ) but for clarity I really don't think I have.

This is the company that gave us Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda. It's genuinely painful to see it come to this.

Come to what? People saying that there isn't a points system without actually having seen the complete rules (including war scrolls)? you should probably wait and see what kind of balancing mechanism is actually there before declaring this the worst thing GW has ever done.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

Aye, I'm not sure any of them saw this coming..

Well, then they weren't posting rumours, but speculation/probabilities/educated guesses/etc.., no?

The whole GW-rumour-monger-sphere would be well served, if people would manage to keep these two very different things apart.

It looks like Fantasy Dynasty Warriors: The Board Game to me.

I think the Age of Sigmar will launch, and we'll have a more traditional Warhammer Fantasy ruleset launched alongside it within 12 months. GW love that codex cash too much to let it go.

Wonderwolf wrote:


Well, then they weren't posting rumours, but speculation/probabilities/educated guesses/etc.., no?

The whole GW-rumour-monger-sphere would be well served, if people would manage to keep these two very different things apart.

It would be stone dead if GW acted more like FFG.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

Aye, I'm not sure any of them saw this coming..

Still torn, part of me likes the idea of bring what I want.. and I have the advantages of no current ,models so no investment issues, and two lads eager to play wargames.. but the points thing is so weird.. need to see more info before I can make a final call.

Not Harry, Hastings or Arthurius. Not El Taller de Yila, Namiel, Natfka, Larry Vela, TWF, Zamerion, , SinaLiebniz. Definitely not Steve the Warboss,

Pretty much only Mikhaila and only recently.


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Wonderwolf wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

Aye, I'm not sure any of them saw this coming..

Well, then they weren't posting rumours, but speculation/probabilities/educated guesses/etc.., no?

The whole GW-rumour-monger-sphere would be well served, if people would manage to keep these two very different things apart.

You mean they were making crap up? Yep.

Mymearan wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

I detect your sarcasm ( ) but for clarity I really don't think I have.

This is the company that gave us Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda. It's genuinely painful to see it come to this.

Come to what? People saying that there isn't a points system without actually having seen the complete rules (including war scrolls)? you should probably wait and see what kind of balancing mechanism is actually there before declaring this the worst thing GW has ever done.

Yeah, I'll read it all on Saturday, but not seeing any spark of hope here. The rules are what makes a game for me and if it turns out they couldn't be bothered, then neither can I.

Aye I noted Mikhalia hadn't heard about the points thing.. so hoping that's been lost in translation on some of the other retailers.

Mymearan wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

I detect your sarcasm ( ) but for clarity I really don't think I have.

This is the company that gave us Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda. It's genuinely painful to see it come to this.

Come to what? People saying that there isn't a points system without actually having seen the complete rules (including war scrolls)? you should probably wait and see what kind of balancing mechanism is actually there before declaring this the worst thing GW has ever done.

I think it's more to see the complex and intricate game of WHFB game reduced to a four page document that takes previous systems and boils them into a couple of rolls.

It will certainly be great for drawing in people who have never played wargames or don't have the patience for some of the more complicated affairs, but I don't blame the WHFB fans for being frustrated that their game has been pretty much rolled into archive along with the other Specialists Games.

I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

I'm still not seeing any Nigmos, what a shame. I was looking forward to the Nigmos.

Maybe they will be in the next wave!

I'm confused by the wording of the 'Mortal Wounds' rule; does that mean that when you have a model who does a Mortal Wound you just decide who you are attacking and remove the opposing model?

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
I'm confused by the wording of the 'Mortal Wounds' rule; does that mean that when you have a model who does a Mortal Wound you just decide who you are attacking and remove the opposing model?

You allocate like normal. Look at the above wound allocation. i.e. the owner of the target unit assigns the wounds.

I guess it's also worth remembering its been said that the existing units may well not do what they use to do

so big scary Nagash, for example, may not be anything like as powerful in AoS as he was in WFB so balancing per 'box' may be easier than assumed based on the old stats/game

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

This 1000%! If they can create complexity with the warscrolls they can continually push the game forward and make it a challenge constantly. Let alone from them selling more models. Sure you might end up with a "broken" unit here or there, but there is hope for really interesting combos and very unique styles of play. The unbound doesn't kill me, I actually love it because you can make thematic armies or replay specific battles.

 Accolade wrote:

Mymearan wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


If you've been in the hobby as long as I have (maybe you have) then you've probably seen GW churn out worse than this

I detect your sarcasm ( ) but for clarity I really don't think I have.

This is the company that gave us Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda. It's genuinely painful to see it come to this.

Come to what? People saying that there isn't a points system without actually having seen the complete rules (including war scrolls)? you should probably wait and see what kind of balancing mechanism is actually there before declaring this the worst thing GW has ever done.

I think it's more to see the complex and intricate game of WHFB game reduced to a four page document that takes previous systems and boils them into a couple of rolls.

It will certainly be great for drawing in people who have never played wargames or don't have the patience for some of the more complicated affairs, but I don't blame the WHFB fans for being frustrated that their game has been pretty much rolled into archive along with the other Specialists Games.

I agree, I was specifically referring to complaints about the supposed lack of a points system, although looking at the original post from Flashman he could very well be talking about the whole package and not just the lack of points. I can completely understand why people are angry that their mass-battle rule set is now well and truly dead, and replaced with something entirely different. Sadly those rules apparently didn't make people buy any miniatures.

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

Agreed. Here's hoping.