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My guess is scenario rules will have keyword-based limits. For example, you may bring up to one warscroll with the Hero keyword. The warscroll for the big Chaos model in the starter box is not previewed in the WD and I am anxious to see what kind of keyword(s) he has. He is a named character so maybe Hero? But maybe also something like Monster?

Meanwhile, here's the free model that comes with the issue. I only have some base layers on him; I'll get to washing and highlighting tomorrow after block painting the blue and laying down a base for the white details.. He has been super fun to paint so far. And boy does he just dwarf the Guardsman!



WD75 is the first issue I have purchased in 5-6 years. Anybody who wants to play around with this model should grab one, too!

wow.. hes stupidly large.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

did I miss some news that these barebones datasheet/scroll things are the full version, or just get you by versions specific to the units in the box?

Yes , apparently you did.

The rules in the box are the rules for the game. There is no rulebook coming . That's been confirmed by GW sales reps.

Does anyone else get the feeling we just became Planeswalkers?

- Multiple planes invading other planes.
- These unit rules sound like trading card tier stuff.
- The reason the rule book is 4 pages is because the units are explained in the card. Think Core Sets for MotG where the rules are printed.
- This means we get to play a card game with miniatures in addition to imagination.

overtyrant wrote:


While I don't condone GW actions GW is a British company not an American company so yes they should set the policy (no matter how poor/ridiculous they are) and have the main HQ n home ground.

It's not quite that simple. Stuff that works in one country doesn't necessarily work in another. The US market is very different to the UK, and trying to run it the same as the UK is pretty much doomed to fail .

 insaniak wrote:

overtyrant wrote:


While I don't condone GW actions GW is a British company not an American company so yes they should set the policy (no matter how poor/ridiculous they are) and have the main HQ n home ground.

It's not quite that simple. Stuff that works in one country doesn't necessarily work in another. The US market is very different to the UK, and trying to run it the same as the UK is pretty much doomed to fail .

As far as we know they consult with each country's branch for the best middle ground. Everything doesn't have to be based and come from the US.

Wild theory of the day: the "new age of eBook/app" is a GW owned and controlled army building app. This allows them to control data and points stats. Plus make a bit of extra money. Why should third parties be making money on army list builder apps?

It both seems plausible and very un-GW.

RoninXiC wrote:
wow.. hes stupidly large.

Good for me, bigger models usually look better when I paint...

Ideally, companies could optimize their practices in each country to suit that country's circumstances. This is obviously harder than it sounds. I am not sure what mikhalia was referring to by "UK policy" ... presumably customers in the UK don't appreciate being in the dark about upcoming releases anymore than people in the USA or Australia or Germany, etc, etc. Maybe he thinks GW does not understand that the LGS is more important to American customers than it is to British ones? But again, I would guess the needs of a British club and an American store league are not really worlds apart in terms of getting support from Nottingham.


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 Kosake wrote:
Good for me, bigger models usually look better when I paint...

Honestly, I think this model was designed to be easy to paint. It has been fun for me so far and painting figures in 28mm is ... how shall I say ... far from my favorite part of this hobby.

That scale shot with the guardsman really emphasises how bland the sculpt is.

RoninXiC wrote:
wow.. hes stupidly large.

You expect that elementals are de facto human sized?

 Henry wrote:
how bland the sculpt is

In what sense? The Guardsman model is no more dynamic than the Liberator and they have a comparable amount of detail. The biggest difference (size aside) is that the Guardsman is finished while I have only started on the Liberator.


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 ivan55599 wrote:
You expect that elementals are de facto human sized?

They are not as a matter of fluff: "Each Stormcast Eternal is more than human, his body changed by their reforging until they tower over mortal men."

 Manchu wrote:
But again, I would guess the needs of a British club and an American store league are not really worlds apart in terms of getting support from Nottingham.

What support? :-P

Didn't say there was any, just that I doubt GW not providing it is due to some policy particular to the UK.

 Henry wrote:
That scale shot with the guardsman really emphasises how bland the sculpt is.

Eh ...what?

Your right Manchu. Support is needed for all LGS and none are more important then others no matter where on the globe it is located.

It seems like UK and USA posters, just to continue with this particular comparison, are equally miffed/excited about this release. I cannot help but think a little more sharing leading up to this announcement would have helped just as much in the UK as here in the States.

AlexHolker wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
Only a few notable things I hadn't heard before. Stuff seems to have a lot more wounds than the old warhammer. The guys with the hammers and shields are called 'Liberators', and their unit champion is the hilariously named 'Liberator Prime']

I'm telling Hasbro

Not Hasbro, Bethesda.

Well I had thought of Optimus Prime but that's a closer reference alright

Henry wrote:That scale shot with the guardsman really emphasises how bland the sculpt is.

I don't mind the model to be honest. Ok, it could be doing with a bit more detail particularly on the chest plate and the rest of the armour but looks fun to paint. The scale is a problem though; I guess all future releases will see a similar increase in scale too. I take it that it is the same size scalewise as a Terminator?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Anyone else getting some Diablo vibes from this?

I do, hence I will headswap all Ethernals so they have Dark Angel hooded heads...

It's certainly not a bad sculpt, just a bit meh. I guess it would be perfectly fine for a click together board game, but it's not what I'd look for in a war game.

Anyone else thinking that the Sigmarines could work well as Kings of War Basileans?

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Anyone else thinking that the Sigmarines could work well as Kings of War Basileans?

That's been mentioned, yes.

 Sikil wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Anyone else getting some Diablo vibes from this?

I do, hence I will headswap all Ethernals so they have Dark Angel hooded heads...

That could look badass.

 jah-joshua wrote:
GW has never stopped running events at Warhammer World...
for years White Dwarf has featured people's doubles armies for WHFB, 40K, and LotR...
they have Throne of Skulls, Battle Brothers, and a few other regular events...
there is a summer campaign, and events scheduled for August since before the re-opening...
happily, for me, Golden Demon is being hosted there now...

i think a very telling thing will be if any AoS events pop-up on the calendar...
that would definitely be an indicator that there is a way to play this game competitively...

i'm firmly in the wait and see camp...
i have a feeling there will be a way for players to organize their armies, and all the hyperbole like, "bring 30 Bloodthirsters" will be shown to be just that...

cheers
jah

Whilst it's true that they have been and will be running events you need to bear in mind that the winners of the event are not decided upon by who wins the most games but by who gets the most " favourite game" , with actual tabletop victories being nothing more than a tie-breaker.

http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/2015/06/10/warhammer-40000-battle-brothers-review/

http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/Final-Results1.pdf

Prior to this, for a while, awards were given out to the best performing player/team for each faction/army book.


The GW ran events haven't really been regular competitions since ..... something in 5th .. I reckon.


http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015-public-calendar-30.06.15.pdf

is the current calendar -- 11/12th July is a celebration of AoSigmar

Here is a preview PDF I made for AOS. It has better quality pictures from the WD. Sorry I hate image spam in threads, feel free to save them individually if you feel the need to post them.

Age of Sigmar WD Preview

 Manchu wrote:
My guess is scenario rules will have keyword-based limits. For example, you may bring up to one warscroll with the Hero keyword. The warscroll for the big Chaos model in the starter box is not previewed in the WD and I am anxious to see what kind of keyword(s) he has. He is a named character so maybe Hero? But maybe also something like Monster?

Meanwhile, here's the free model that comes with the issue. I only have some base layers on him; I'll get to washing and highlighting tomorrow after block painting the blue and laying down a base for the white details.. He has been super fun to paint so far. And boy does he just dwarf the Guardsman!



WD75 is the first issue I have purchased in 5-6 years. Anybody who wants to play around with this model should grab one, too!

Despite everything I was still considering this game until I saw that picture. It is the size which for some reason makes me not like it. I think it is because it just doesn't blend with my other miniatures. Is there any known reason why these guys tower above reg humans or is everything in this new game going to be massive?

 Henry wrote:
That scale shot with the guardsman really emphasises how bland the sculpt is.

It's not that bland, it's just not overly festooned with pointless 'detail' like most GW stuff these days.

 Manchu wrote:


...here's the free model that comes with the issue. I only have And boy does he just dwarf the Guardsman!

It's great to see GW *finally* give in to demand and make true-scale Space Marines! Oh, wait...

Valete,

JohnS

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Despite everything I was still considering this game until I saw that picture. It is the size which for some reason makes me not like it. I think it is because it just doesn't blend with my other miniatures. Is there any known reason why these guys tower above reg humans or is everything in this new game going to be massive?

Because they are not human but divinely supercharged reanimated corpses/spirits given form?

If I am a god set on subjugating/freeing a realm I wouldn't limit myself to human sizing. I would try for XXXXL to throw some shock and awe into my enemies.
I see this as that.

I think Fezza was on to something a few posts up ...

I started wargaming at WHFB 3rd ed and recently got back into it. I was astounded by the amount of rules (40k) and admittedly I'd forgotten how much "into it" you had to be in order to have fun (i.e. not flipping through rulebooks all the time). For a casual player the rules are more than a bit too much.

Add to this my kids (teens) who I play with. Mainly used to computer games they really struggle with having to remember rules. (And no they're not stupid.) They would likely not play if I didn't encourage them, not because of a lack of interest in wargaming but because of the sheer effort of learning rules. Fluff, on the other hand, they like.

More: Playing more competitively requires an interest beyond the game itself in terms of listbuilding. To think about your army and where to go with it is great if you're developing it into a hobby – but it's a bit too much for the casual gamer.

Enter Age of Sigmar.

* A ruleset likely quite useless for competitive play – but good for casual beer & pretzel gaming. (Or coke & crisps ...)

* Scenario supplements with a number of scenarios detailing the scrolls each side plays, based on an engaging narrative – the collective development of the story is the point, not winning over your opponent. (Could even be like solo adventure-books, wher battle outcomes decides the continuation of the story; remember Lone Wolf?)

* Campaign supplements consisting of a number of scenarios but also with rules for character development.

Different special rules (the keywords on the scrolls) will become relevant in different scenarios, bringing dynamics to the game even with a limited number of models.

I think this could work actually, it would close the gap between wargaming and roleplaying a bit. I would like it. And if something like this appears I may actually divest my 40k army (about 70 orks, anyone?) and go for it. When I want the competitive edge, I'll go for Warmachine/Hordes, which has a ruleset quite up to the task.