Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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Grot 6 wrote:
So,

When you wait for a new edition like this is supposed to be, are we seriously supposed to be like an inmate on death row, waiting for a stay of execution?

KInda feeling like that, so in a word, 9th edition is crap. The whole campaign of execution for development is garbage, the basic publicity is garbage, and GW is acting like an ostrich with its head in the sand, with a pack of hyenas circling... In GW world.... everything is fine......

A new game should not feel that way at all. Why do I want to shell out paramount to a $1,000.00 for a feeling like that? Feth them at this point. If I can't get excited about it, then GW can feth off. I have other good games worth my time.

Bases are not even the issue here. Its the overall.... vibe. It honestly sucks from them at this point.

I'm with you completely. I know it's how GW does things but it's ridiculous in my opinion. Infinity announced they were doing their new edition in like April and it was released in October or November, they explained why they were doing it, we were in the loop. Malifaux had betas for 2nd edition I believe, and do for the expansion books still. GW; we don't hear anything until like 1/2 weeks before and it really annoys me.

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Calm down... It's just a rumour, and what dyou mean you never thought you'd see the day? They aren't officially gone yet, no more than, well, everything is...

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Talys wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
Talys wrote:
@monders -- The DA expansion box is so pricey and low model count :(

The ravenwing command is cool, but does not really fit with the Deathwing knights. I can't imagine anyone with the starter box unit who decides to be more serious with 40k decided that a Nephalim, DWK squad, and ravenwing command to be the next things to add to their army. It would have been better if the DWK were replaced with a couple non-command Ravenwing bikes.

well yeah if gw were trying to release a coherent add on to there starter set other options would be better, but as a way of clearing dead stock to parents who are buying/have bought dv and want something else it's great.

I guess O.O.

See, if it were just dead-stock clearing, I would have thought limited edition box set (with better value). But this is a permanent expansion. Even if they were dead stock, at some point, it wouldn't be any more, right? Anyhow, I'm not exactly sure how anyone who plays 40k for any length of time stays with Dark Angels. There is very little codex appeal to them, and being the Space Marine faction in the starter box "debuffs" their coolness value. Now, granted, DWK and Ravenwing Command are some of GW's coolest models, but the people buying them just for modelling value wouldn't exactly characterize it as an "expansion".

You're overthinking it. It isn't aimed at people who have knowledge like that about the game. It's aimed at people who have just bought DV and want a quick easy way to expand it. They don't know what's gonna be any good.

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streamdragon wrote:
Kosake wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
mikhaila wrote:
Well, without invalidating models, except for:

-Models you won't use because they aren't in the new lists....

So they won't invalidate models, except for all the units they invalidate...

Because there is no way to use that %charactername% model as a default general, sergeant or special weapons-guy...

I said units.

I play skaven. While I can see "well, no more gutter runners but you can still use them as night runners!" being an argument, there are plenty of other units that aren't going to work that way. Jezzails, Poisoned Wind Globadiers, Weapon Teams, etc. etc. You're telling me "there will be generic forms of everything!"? Will my Jezzails really be filling the same "generic shooty unit" role that, say, a human archer model would?

Cause if so, I have to say that sounds not at all exciting.

Yeah, I mean either you have new units that are very similar to the old units that you can use the only ones to proxy, in which case what's the point of rebooting the model range, or you have new models/rules generic enough that lots of things can proxy as one thing, which just sounds dull.

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streamdragon wrote:
Vermis wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
or you have new models/rules generic enough that lots of things can proxy as one thing, which just sounds dull.

What's so important about making, say, one type of elf spearman so different, special and unique from the others, whether high, dark, wood or even sea? What does make then so different, special and unique anyway?

Besides being from three separate armies (with their accompanying special rules)? Not much, admittedly. But I'm not talking about "elf spearmen". I'm talking about the outlier units like Jezzails, Globadiers, or Weapon Teams. I can't imagine all the Lizardman players that bought the new anklyosaur laser dudes would be happy about losing those either. Are you really telling me my Jezzails should be a "generic shooty unit" on par with elf bowmen?

Yeah that's more the stuff I meant. Elf spearmen, fine, combine them. But weirder stuff, you either invalidate it, make a new version of the same unit (what's the point?) or make things so generic so everything like that can fit in which is just dull.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Doesn't the implication of that, namely an event which could be 8th Ed, or 9th Ed rules (if the changes aren't too numerous), suggest that the game isn't as "different" as people were imagining?

It doesn't mean anything, as the store owner knows as much as us. It says IF the changes aren't too numerous, so it could still be a very different game.

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Fayric wrote:
kodos wrote:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?407604-Warhammer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion-%28Reloaded%29&p=7439651#post7439651

Just coming back from my local store following some strange message on facebook and inviting us to pass by .

9th edition will be released on saturday the 13th of june .

My local store is organising on friday the 12th a warhammer tournament beginning at 8.00pm for thoses who will have reserved their 9th edition rule book ( If I correctly understand there will be 2 weeks of preorder )

At 0.00 , He will give to players their books .

Il will be a 8th edition tournament but the local manager will release a summary of the changes if they are not to numerous in order to play in 9th edition . If it changes too much , he says that it will be a 8th edition one ^^

Considering the policy of games workshop , I don't think that will be some local initiative , so other people might have the same level of information to confirm .

Sonds like GW to imagine the main part of the rules dont leak in advance so the store manager can reveal all the "great news" of the exiting new edition at midnight to a gawking and gasping audience.

Sounds like the manager set this up himself, not GW.

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I could see the arguments for 'there's loads of options so it's hard to balance' if it actually seemed like the put a modicum of effort into attempting to balance it, but it doesn't seem that way at all. Also, the weapons options don't seem to have changed much over the years so they've had plenty of time to get it right.

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Benandorf wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

I love GW games, and love their product despite them never necessarily treating me well as a consumer, but in terms of their rules writing ability, they are just horrid.

Why doesn't GW hand the rules portion over to FFG and focus on the models? FFG has proven that they can do rules well, and then GW can focus on being a model company like they've apparently always wanted.

Because that's far to close to a logical move for GW to consider it.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Clearly you don't understand people, as the discussion is not if people buy things or not, but whether GW tailor rules to encourage said behaviour.

I'm pretty sure we're all aware we're not obligated to buy anything, but I guess it never hurts to have someone bumbling around stating the blindingly obvious.
which is my point who cares you like them get them if not then don't who cares if you keep playing no love lost. GW makes rules they like and again your not obligated to buy them. So again a pointless topic, like them or not they are what they are.

I feel like you've still missed the point.

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Vulcan wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Clearly you don't understand people, as the discussion is not if people buy things or not, but whether GW tailor rules to encourage said behaviour.

I'm pretty sure we're all aware we're not obligated to buy anything, but I guess it never hurts to have someone bumbling around stating the blindingly obvious.
which is my point who cares you like them get them if not then don't who cares if you keep playing no love lost. GW makes rules they like and again your not obligated to buy them. So again a pointless topic, like them or not they are what they are.

OUR point is that we liked the game and would like to see it done properly and not as an adjunct to selling toys.

It's clear you don't like GW games. At which point, I do have to ask why you're trolling on a forum DEDICATED to GW games. Perhaps YOUR time might be better spent on other forums rather than here complaining that we like GW games but don't like the direction they're going right now.

To be fair I don't think that was his point at all...

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Ratbarf wrote:
Do you mean these bases? http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-70x25mm-Oval-Bases
Because they have been around ever since the new scout biker models two Space Marine Codexes ago.

No, they mean the full oval ones like the Skitarii sniper thing is on, not the pill shaped ones.

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Vulcan wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Maybe War Of The Ring style movement trays (inserts) or maybe we won't need movement trays at all? :-)

Implies a VERY small scale game... at which point I look to other games.

Skirmish is all nice and fine for others. I want to maneuver UNITS.

War of the Ring definitely wasn't a VERY small scale game.

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I too would probably be interested in a small scale fantasy.

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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Don't all thank me at once , but I called this one weeks ago. Check my post history if you can be bothered trawling through all that.

I said that a 6 faction, small skirmish game, added to GW's ethos of making painting easier (base, shade, highlight) was their model to get Teenagers playing the game.

Don't expect any of the old factions to make an appearance in their current form. If you're launching something new, you want to be making cash fast, so that means new factions that nobody has = money for GW.

Sure, it's short sighted, but this tallies with GW's business model these last 10 years.

It's still just a rumour, bit early for 'I told you so'.

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pretre wrote:
edlowe wrote:
Asked in my local gw on thursday what was happening and the staff member said 'what new edition?"

Local GW is the last to know always.

Yeah they know as much as us.

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You could do something like that with magnets to hold the models in place.

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I'm tentatively excited. Bit annoyed I have about 6 hardback army books I've never used, but that's as much my fault as anything.

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I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

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chiefbigredman wrote:
Interesting how on the GW website right now for the Warhammer portion all of the End Times books are on the page for it...not sure why they would do that if the new edition is coming out soon?
I want some picture or some sort of more solid rumours. I want it to be July 4th already

Because they won't do anything to let us know about a new edition until a week before it's released. they won't stop selling anything until then.

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Talys wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
I'm actually tentatively excited to see the outcome of all this.

As someone who buys almost no Warhammer Fantasy models and doesn't play WHFB (Excluding Bloodthirster, which can be fielded for 40k, the only models I bought last year were Nagash and Treeman Ancient), Sigmar sounds kind of neat, and I *might* buy it just for kicks and small turn games.

If the games are short, it may turn into something that we play sporadically, as we do with Kill Team and Warmachines -- happens some times if a couple of us are early and we're waiting on people; or we finish early and the night is to late to start another proper game.

Yeah, I was full set to get into WHF and pretty annoyed by these rumours 5 months ago, but actually things like the massive scale of the game were a bit offputting. If smaller games are a possibility, then I'll be more interested. The factions sound pretty intriguing. Lizardmen seem to still be around in some form. It definitely seems better than I feared. Wait and see I guess.

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Wonderwolf wrote:
Compel wrote:
To be honest, £70 isn't ridiculously priced for a starter. - Particularly if it is a 'full game in a box' experience, or it has all new sculpts.

I think FFG still hold the 'ridiculous price for a starter' award with Star Wars Armada, which is literally half a game in there. -

Well, I think that particular price must go to Corvus Belli, which only ship you 14 unpainted, mono-pose 80s-style pewter miniatures and a crappy paper posters of the quality you wouldn't dare put into the cheapest kind of titty-magazine for their starter for nearly the same price.

At least the FFGs stuff is painted miniatures, loads of cards cards, tokens, dials, range-measure-thingy in high quality, etc.., etc.. Still expensive.

Painted miniatures isn't necessarily a good thing for everyone in this hobby. And while there aren't many minis in Operation: Icestorm, the quality of them is amazing, and you hardly need anymore for a proper sized force.

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Because it's a starter set, to get people started in the game. Of course rules are important. Obviously you might get less value if you're using it for something other than its purpose.

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The rules are free, otherwise you'd have a point.

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HobbyBox wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
mikhaila wrote:
Commissar-Danno wrote:
word on the price of Age of Sigmar?

I heard 70 lb, 110 dollars. And that is 3rd hand info from friend friend of...someone in UK unknown to me. In line with other GW sets, but IMHO, still high for a 'Starter'.

So $110 for a starter--how much for the rules themselves?

I was wondering this too... Is the rulebook not going to be sold separately? Or is it all in one bundle: rulebook, minis and whatever else comes in the starter?

Well if it's a proper starter for the new edition it'll probably have a mini format rulebook in the box.

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agnosto wrote:
A starter released before the rules will be a departure from GW's usual process of releasing the rules and then following up with a starter box (containing a mini-rulebook) a few months later.

Only recently though, I'm pretty sure Skull Pass came out before 7th ed Fantasy main rule book. Could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

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Talys wrote:
Hmmm. Sigmar preorders are the 4th, right?

So what are the releases for Jul 3?

These I guess
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/653486.page

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So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

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I really like them.

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It only looks like 40k in as much as Space Marines are basically Knights in plate armour, which are what these are. The gold doesn't help making them look like Sanguinary Guard, but that's because they have the sculpted armour too.