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I just tweaked the thread title to show there's an update and what the thread is for, feel free to adjust if needed, PhantomViper!

And thanks for posting this

PhantomViper wrote:
Well, since I'm the one that made the OP, I think that I should post this...

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-latest-game-overview.html

– WFB 9th is simply called “Warhammer’

– New rules provide for two games in one:

a) A small scale game with few models

b) A full scale game like the previous WFB

– The small scale game has heavy limitations on models that can be used such as exotic units and units that would be unbalancing at a small scale.

– Triple book format with rules and history split up ~Editor, this sounds like the current 40K format

– Round bases

– June 20th

– 6 Factions

– Game picks up after the End Times series, taking it into account.

I updated the OP as well.

Chaos
Skaven
Lizardmen

I would then guess...

Empire/Dwarf alliance
Capricious Elves
Undead

Orcs n gobbos left out?
Gutsy move if true.

I hope the WHFB skirmish rules are good, and aren't just "Fantesy Kill Team". Something more like a updated Mordhiem.

Kill Team is fun, but the lack of customization and flushing out of the idea realy hold it back from being considered a "real skirmish game" that most people have been craving GW to do agien.

Id be down if it was a rehash of mordhime.

Chances are its gonna be similiar with even MOAR RANDOM TABLES!

6 factions?

edit: nvm its way hard trying to make 6 factions to go together.

 Desubot wrote:
Id be down if it was a rehash of mordhime.

Chances are its gonna be similiar with even MOAR RANDOM TABLES!

6 factions?

edit: nvm its way hard trying to make 6 factions to go together.

My guess is:

-Chaos: DoC, WoC, Beastmen, Skavan
-Humans
-Dwarfs
-Elfs+Lizardmen
-Orcs and Gobbs+Ogers
-Undead

/or/

-Chaos: DoC, WoC, Beastmen
-Humans+Dwarfs
-Skavan
-Elfs+Lizardmen
-Orcs and Gobbs+Ogers
-Undead


/or/

-Chaos: DoC, WoC, Beastmen, Skavan
-Humans+dwarfs
-Lizardmen
-Elfs
-Orcs and Gobbs+Ogers
-Undead


I personally would rather see Dwarfs, Humans, Skavan, and Lizardmen all stay separate armies, but the truth is that these armies will be seeing themselves get rolled into each other and others to make 6 armies work. So the 6 factions leaves me apprehensive.

PhantomViper wrote:

– WFB 9th is simply called “Warharhammer.

Lost on this part.
Isn't it just called that already?

 Lockark wrote:

-Chaos: DoC, WoC, Beastmen, Skavan
-Humans+dwarfs
-Lizardmen
-Elfs
-Orcs and Gobbs+Ogers
-Undead

This would be my guess. Skaven worship chaos in all but name, with Vermin Lords and such actually being Demons. Humans+Dwarves allies the Good tech-based factions in one place (and perhaps a place for the new Good Human faction), All The Elves makes sense, as does Undead United. Lizards are too unique to see anywhere else, but I could almost see a big them getting some expansion like the WE nature stuff.

I also expect heavy levels of allying to be available, with all Good and all Evil factions being able to mix pretty much freely.

There was a rumour post over on faeit that said lizzies will be rolled into Skaven as a slave faction to them.

 Ratius wrote:
There was a rumour post over on faeit that said lizzies will be rolled into Skaven as a slave faction to them.

Link?

 Lockark wrote:
I hope the WHFB skirmish rules are good, and aren't just "Fantesy Kill Team". Something more like a updated Mordhiem.

Kill Team is fun, but the lack of customization and flushing out of the idea realy hold it back from being considered a "real skirmish game" that most people have been craving GW to do agien.

Try this.

Lockark wrote:I personally would rather see Dwarfs, Humans, Skavan, and Lizardmen all stay separate armies, but the truth is that these armies will be seeing themselves get rolled into each other and others to make 6 armies work. So the 6 factions leaves me apprehensive.

You mean like how the Space Marines are now in the Imperial Guard book for 40k?

Six "factions" does not necessarily mean 6 armies.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

-Chaos: DoC, WoC, Beastmen, Skavan
-Humans+dwarfs
-Lizardmen
-Elfs
-Orcs and Gobbs+Ogers
-Undead

This would be my guess. Skaven worship chaos in all but name, with Vermin Lords and such actually being Demons. Humans+Dwarves allies the Good tech-based factions in one place (and perhaps a place for the new Good Human faction), All The Elves makes sense, as does Undead United. Lizards are too unique to see anywhere else, but I could almost see a big them getting some expansion like the WE nature stuff.

I also expect heavy levels of allying to be available, with all Good and all Evil factions being able to mix pretty much freely.

I think they could mix the Lizardmen and Elfs together for two reasons.

The 1st is that their is president in the 40k exodites who ride dinosaurs. The 2nd is because they are the two good guy magic factions. The same way you might combine Dwarfs and Humans because they are the two good guy techy factions.

Their is also the bit of fluff in the endtimes that the capitol of skavenblight escaped in a pocket bubble or something.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I hope the WHFB skirmish rules are good, and aren't just "Fantesy Kill Team". Something more like a updated Mordhiem.

Kill Team is fun, but the lack of customization and flushing out of the idea realy hold it back from being considered a "real skirmish game" that most people have been craving GW to do agien.

Try this.

It reads like WHFB verstion of Kill Team. Didn't I just say that I DIDN'T want that?

=/

I want a fully flushed out set of skirmish rules, instead of something tacted on after the fact.

Don't all thank me at once , but I called this one weeks ago. Check my post history if you can be bothered trawling through all that.

I said that a 6 faction, small skirmish game, added to GW's ethos of making painting easier (base, shade, highlight) was their model to get Teenagers playing the game.

Don't expect any of the old factions to make an appearance in their current form. If you're launching something new, you want to be making cash fast, so that means new factions that nobody has = money for GW.

Sure, it's short sighted, but this tallies with GW's business model these last 10 years.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Don't all thank me at once , but I called this one weeks ago. Check my post history if you can be bothered trawling through all that.

I said that a 6 faction, small skirmish game, added to GW's ethos of making painting easier (base, shade, highlight) was their model to get Teenagers playing the game.

Don't expect any of the old factions to make an appearance in their current form. If you're launching something new, you want to be making cash fast, so that means new factions that nobody has = money for GW.

Sure, it's short sighted, but this tallies with GW's business model these last 10 years.

It's still just a rumour, bit early for 'I told you so'.

Link?

Cant find it now =/
It had no indepth info but speculated that lizzies will be a skaven sub faction used as slaves by them.

 Ratius wrote:

Link?

Cant find it now =/
It had no indepth info but speculated that lizzies will be a skaven sub faction used as slaves by them.

Oh, that's speculation not rumor.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Don't all thank me at once , but I called this one weeks ago. Check my post history if you can be bothered trawling through all that.

I said that a 6 faction, small skirmish game, added to GW's ethos of making painting easier (base, shade, highlight) was their model to get Teenagers playing the game.

Don't expect any of the old factions to make an appearance in their current form. If you're launching something new, you want to be making cash fast, so that means new factions that nobody has = money for GW.

Sure, it's short sighted, but this tallies with GW's business model these last 10 years.

It's still just a rumour, bit early for 'I told you so'.

I have faith in Dakka. If they say it's happening, that becomes Gospel.

Asked in my local gw on thursday what was happening and the staff member said 'what new edition?"

 edlowe wrote:
Asked in my local gw on thursday what was happening and the staff member said 'what new edition?"

Local GW is the last to know always.

 pretre wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Asked in my local gw on thursday what was happening and the staff member said 'what new edition?"

Local GW is the last to know always.

Yeah they know as much as us.

 pretre wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Asked in my local gw on thursday what was happening and the staff member said 'what new edition?"

Local GW is the last to know always.

yep had to show him the round base pictures on my phone, left him a bit confused.

It's weird how some of the figures suddenly look much more appealing on round or oval bases.

You guys must have sucky local GWs. In ours they talk about the rumors with the regulars, drop hints with things like when "red days" are.

The managers all get to go to some summer conference soon where they'll get to see the entire summer release early.

So, full scale game uses square and skirmish uses round??

Can Skirmish use square though? Having two games that use the same models but on different bases seems like the stupidest idea ever.... Say im new and decide to start playing Warhammer, I start out small skirmish and base everything on round, but then as my army grows I want to play large scale.... am I screwed or am I re-basing? Im 100% fine on going all round and re-basing what I currently have but my OCD is not going to allow for a mix of round and square.

 Bottle wrote:
You guys must have sucky local GWs. In ours they talk about the rumors with the regulars, drop hints with things like when "red days" are.

The managers all get to go to some summer conference soon where they'll get to see the entire summer release early.

I think the reason is store managers can get in trouble for discussing rumors. GW likes to fashion themselves as Apple and, as such, they try to keep everything a secret until it's released. Once the managers know you well enough to know you won't put them at any risk, they seem to open up.

Chopxsticks wrote:
So, full scale game uses square and skirmish uses round??

Can Skirmish use square though? Having two games that use the same models but on different bases seems like the stupidest idea ever.... Say im new and decide to start playing Warhammer, I start out small skirmish and base everything on round, but then as my army grows I want to play large scale.... am I screwed or am I re-basing? Im 100% fine on going all round and re-basing what I currently have but my OCD is not going to allow for a mix of round and square.

I'm hoping the mass battle will use circle bases like this:



But who knows yet for sure?

I'm hoping they don't, because that looks like a royal pain to make, and I REFUSE to buy movement trays from GW.

Which is sadly exactly what i think/fear they are intending to do.

 Vulcan wrote:
I'm hoping they don't, because that looks like a royal pain to make, and I REFUSE to buy movement trays from GW.

Alot of MDF companies already make movement trays like that. Sarissa Precision and Litko off the top of my head.

 Lockark wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
I'm hoping they don't, because that looks like a royal pain to make, and I REFUSE to buy movement trays from GW.

Alot of MDF companies already make movement trays like that. Sarissa Precision and Litko off the top of my head.

Exactly. I already bought slotted MDF trays for my skirmishers in 8th.

Plus if you don't like the slotted trays, you can just make a flat base of the same size and have all the miniatures on top "loose". I have seen lots of War Of The Ring armies take that approach too.


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You could do something like that with magnets to hold the models in place.

Yeah there are lots of options but visually circles on top of rectangles looks messy. Also a regiment of 50 gobbos based on circles will spread a lot and will take a lot more space on the table. If you ever tried spacing your wfb models on the table they will take at least double the area.