Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Accolade**

MaxT wrote:
Love the nail varnish art.

Exactly what I first noticed

**ShaneTB**

Formattions already. But no points. This is bizarre.

**Eggs**

Orruks and grots? Really? Honestly?

That's the laziest attempt at an ip blanket I've ever seen...

**streamdragon**

Accolade wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Love the nail varnish art.

Exactly what I first noticed

Weirdest part to me is it's hands from two different people. Two left hands, one with nailpolish, one without.

**unmercifulconker**

Desubot wrote:
RacerX wrote:
ORRUKS?!?!?!??

Refused

To think they could of just used Orks

There own version or orcs...

Indeed Orruks is a buzzkill. A big fat green buzzkill.

**Yodhrin**

streamdragon wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
I wanna know why some races have different names if there is an explanation. Like 40k is shown from the Imperials perspective, maybe this is how Sigmar interprets the races and calls the Lizardmen Seraphon or the Orks Orruks? Little things like that would bug me especially if they change the fluff to make it seem like they were always called Seraphon.

So GW can copyright the IP instead of using generic names like "orks" or "lizardmen", most likely.

Which is also hilariously ineffective, since it's utterly trivial to have your website selling your third-party "Orc Heavy Boyz, suitable for use as Orruk Grooblesnawks in GW's Age of Sigmar"(an entirely legitimate use of GW's trademarks, as the Chapterhouse case established) show up right at the top of a google search when someone types in "Orruk Grooblesnawks" or "Age of Sigmar Orruks" etc etc.

Seriously though, "Bloodsecrator"?

**Boss Salvage**

streamdragon wrote:
Anyway, rehosted the images on imgur:

http://imgur.com/a/X7LS8

let me know if that doesn't work.

Thanks Steamy

- Salvage

**RoninXiC**

They're so desperate.. renaming one of their main factions. Might be the second or biggest playerbase that owns O&G.

**RacerX**

Da Boss wrote:
RacerX wrote:
Assuming they NEED to do on the fly, non stop weighting.
Why?

Update the algorithm as they see fit but do as an update.
Who cares if every single battle/combat is logged as an input.

It wouldn't need to be non-stop, but the only way to generate a reliable weighting system like that is to feed it a lot of real world data to allow it to assign weights to the system or model. So you would want a big bank of playtest data at least to feed it. Once that has been done, it would only need to be recalibrated if there were major changes to the system like the introduction of a new army.

There's no point in having an algorithm like that if you're going to update it by hand. It defeats the purpose of using data handling to assign your weights.

All you need is "big picture" inputs. Like, does Chaos nerf Orruks 95% of the time, yet Orruks crush Elfiseses 75% of the time. You can matrix the results and create a weighting that you apply. Just becomes a nifty math excercise, but doesn't care about Nurgle Plguebearers results versus everything, and vice-versa. It isn't science after all, just a semi-intelligent adjustment mechanism to create some balance.

Ah well, it is probably moot anyway... but interesting to consider. :-)

**nudibranch**

Holy crap the names on those Khorne dudes. Getting Phil Kelly SW codex flashbacks...

Also, Bloodsecretor? Dude if you're secreting blood, I'd go see a doctor. Sounds painful.

**Accolade**

streamdragon wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
I wanna know why some races have different names if there is an explanation. Like 40k is shown from the Imperials perspective, maybe this is how Sigmar interprets the races and calls the Lizardmen Seraphon or the Orks Orruks? Little things like that would bug me especially if they change the fluff to make it seem like they were always called Seraphon.

So GW can copyright the IP instead of using generic names like "orks" or "lizardmen", most likely.

Which is just so so SO fething stupid! Third party companies can just make kits that say "compatible with Seraphon/Lizards/Orruks" and there isn't a damn thing GW can do about it.

Seriously, at this point I'm starting to think some people at GW are truly delusional.

**migooo**

Yeah Skaven should probably be in destruction.

**Kanluwen**

Not gonna lie, those Dark Elves look great on round bases.

**Mr.Church13**

Why are there no points?

WHY ARE THERE NO POINTS?

Wow. They really did just give the F up altogether.

**Kanluwen**

migooo wrote:
Yeah Skaven should probably be in destruction.

Not really, Skaven are creatures of Chaos--just not worshiping Chaos.

**Dryaktylus**

So the Slayers don't find their salvation in a honourable death against mighty foes but in hoarding gold? Well, it's dwarven style too, but...

...

Damn, at first glance I read "backstabbing anal sneak assaults" in the Grot part.

**Vetril**

So composition is dropped in favour of premade warband lists that detail the number and name of units? But then each unit warscroll contains "a unit of X can be made of any number of models"...? So you have a fixed unit composition, but there's no limit to the size of these units? Missing a piece here.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

Dryaktylus wrote:

Damn, at first glance I read "backstabbing anal sneak assaults" in the Grot part.

Never turn your back on a Grot.

**Xyxox**

Is it true they are already houseruling from GW staff to make up for the fact that there is no balance nor any army building mechanism?

**migooo**

Kanluwen wrote:
migooo wrote:
Yeah Skaven should probably be in destruction.

Not really, Skaven are creatures of Chaos--just not worshiping Chaos.

Except they only really care about themselves, and not winding up their God. Spikey things are just things to the mighty Skaven Empire!

**Motograter**

Is there a clear picture of the chaos lord. Either my laptop is playing up or I'm just failing internet

**Desubot**

migooo wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
migooo wrote:
Yeah Skaven should probably be in destruction.

Not really, Skaven are creatures of Chaos--just not worshiping Chaos.

Except they only really care about themselves, and not winding up their God.

Honestly im fine with it

So long as they still have there 3 horned rat god to worship instead of nurgle.

**XT-1984**

Of course if they had been called Seraphon all this time and were about to be changed to Lizardmen you would think that sounded stupid too.

After a while you'll forget silly details like these.

And the Battalion sheet gives hope to the idea of a balanced system with a Force Organisation Chart of sorts.

**ShaneTB**

Vetril wrote:
So composition is dropped in favour of premade warband lists that detail the number and name of units? But then each unit warscroll contains "a unit of X can be made of any number of models"...? So you have a fixed unit composition, but there's no limit to the size of these units? Missing a piece here.

You play 40k? It's a formation bonus for taking certain units. I.e. deploy these and they get X special rule.

**streamdragon**

Yodhrin wrote:
Which is also hilariously ineffective, since it's utterly trivial to have your website selling your third-party "Orc Heavy Boyz, suitable for use as Orruk Grooblesnawks in GW's Age of Sigmar"(an entirely legitimate use of GW's trademarks, as the Chapterhouse case established) show up right at the top of a google search when someone types in "Orruk Grooblesnawks" or "Age of Sigmar Orruks" etc etc.

Seriously though, "Bloodsecrator"?

I didn't say it was a good plan, just that it is the most likely reason for why they felt the need to change the name. Chapterhouse lawsuit scared the pants off of GW in the worst way.

Not just "Bloodsecrator", but "Bloodstoker". so bad.

Boss Salvage wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
Anyway, rehosted the images on imgur:

http://imgur.com/a/X7LS8

let me know if that doesn't work.
Thanks Steamy

- Salvage

Streamy. With an R.

**ShaneTB**

Orruks is terrible name. And suitably Orc(k)ish. Wish they hadn't changed it but it fits in my mind (that being the 40k Waarrgggh mindset).

**streamdragon**

XT-1984 wrote:
And the Battalion sheet gives hope to the idea of a balanced system with a Force Organisation Chart of sorts.

Not really. It's a dataslate, not a FoC. Some of those units can have an unlimited amount of models.

**Accolade**

XT-1984 wrote:
Of course if they had been called Seraphon all this time and were about to be changed to Lizardmen you would think that sounded stupid too.

After a while you'll forget silly details like these.

And the Battalion sheet gives hope to the idea of a balanced system with a Force Organisation Chart of sorts.

So thats the defense of this? "Don't worry, you'll forget about it some day"?

It's not what the names were changed to, it's that they were changed in the first place. And for what- so GW can pretend it invented all of these concepts out of thing air? Is that all this comes down to? Because it's not protecting their IP any better, so I have to assume it's all just to prove a point between Kirby and his Krony Krew.

**Sidstyler**

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
So the Thunderstrike Brotherhood basically arrives in Drop Pods\

That Khorne Lord with Flesh hound is stunning.

Yeah, I like him too. I kinda wish they'd have done something like that for the Dark Eldar beastmaster when those models got released.

streamdragon wrote:
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
So the Thunderstrike Brotherhood basically arrives in Drop Pods?

It really is getting harder and harder to see the Simarites as anything other than Fantasy Space Marines.

lightning hammers.

They're a "brotherhood", too. Does anyone seriously want to keep denying that GW is trying really hard to recreate the look and feel of Space Marines in Fantasy now, or are we still supposedly out of our minds? =\

streamdragon wrote:
Holy crap i just look at the unit names for the Khorne warband.

Bloodsecrator?

Oh my god, are you kidding me? I swear to God they're doing this on purpose, either that or they let someone's kids name all this gak.

**ShaneTB**

Sidstyler wrote:

It really is getting harder and harder to see the Simarites as anything other than Fantasy Space Marines.

That's obvious. The question is really: Was it worth them trying?

To which it's all opinion (like me disliking Tau as it's aimed at younger people like my brother; anime; ugh).