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 XT-1984 wrote:
Bear in mind that we haven't seen any Warscroll for a unit that isn't included in the boxed set. And that Warhammer 40ks Dark Vengeance didn't have points cost included either.

So you're suggesting that the starter box units won't have points costs/some kind of 'slot' categorisation/unit size limitations, but every other unit will? And if not, why wait until later to provide the 'real' scrolls for the starter units?

Dark Vengeance contained the full rulebook for the game. Which talks about how to set up a game, in which segment it mentions points and FoC's.
AoS's rules, on the other hand, don't mention any kind of organisational mechanics in that segment. So they arn't really comparable.

AoS comes with a 93 page book and you are comparing 4 pages of it to the entire Dark Vengeance book.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And more art:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7lbg6WoAEYMCH.jpg

That Eternal is really ugly.

From the sprue pictures it seems a lot easier to split sets than it was for the Dark Vengeance boxed set. Thanks for that Angry Marine.

Damn, I'm tempted... Those spruuuuuuuuese

Thanks for posting btw

 Angry Marine wrote:
Sprue pictures!

Quoting in case it was missed.

 XT-1984 wrote:
AoS comes with a 93 page book and you are comparing 4 pages of it to the entire Dark Vengeance book.

It comes with a 4 page rulebook and a 96 page booklet. AFAIK the contents of said booklet are as yet unknown. It could just be full of background and painting guides.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And more art:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI7lbg6WoAEYMCH.jpg

That Eternal is really ugly.

He's the Chaplin, DUH!

 gorgon wrote:
So when the CEO goes on and on about kids in his missives...he has no idea who the main TARGET audience is for their products?

Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning
teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things
are otiose in a niche. - Tom Kirby

No mention of kids. Games Workshop's products are catered to teenagers and manchildren (though you don't necessarily have to be either to enjoy them).

And yes, GW apparently has no idea who their target audience is.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
So when the CEO goes on and on about kids in his missives...he has no idea who the main TARGET audience is for their products?

Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning
teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things
are otiose in a niche. - Tom Kirby

No mention of kids. Games Workshop's products are catered to teenagers and manchildren (though you don't necessarily have to be either to enjoy them).

And yes, GW apparently has no idea who their target audience is.

Are we even sure this is being marketed to our own species?

 XT-1984 wrote:

Spoiler:

Not gona lie

That looks pretty fantastic.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
So when the CEO goes on and on about kids in his missives...he has no idea who the main TARGET audience is for their products?

Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning
teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things
are otiose in a niche. - Tom Kirby

No mention of kids. Games Workshop's products are catered to teenagers and manchildren (though you don't necessarily have to be either to enjoy them).

And yes, GW apparently has no idea who their target audience is.

Kirby's quote is LOL worthy it hurts. I said earlier in this thread that is sort of thing is my actual job. Niche is dangerous in business. Not talking to your customers is insane. You don't have to agree with it , you can choose to ignore it - but it is crucial to know what they think!

This has death spiral written all over it. (That's not a name of a new Sigmarine chapter)

UKS

My eyes, they have been greeted by something majestic.

That.. is awesome.

 XT-1984 wrote:
AoS comes with a 93 page book and you are comparing 4 pages of it to the entire Dark Vengeance book.

Verified time and again to contain only fluff, gaming examples, and the war scrolls.

I am getting a massive Mtg vibe from this new world, and that aint a terrible thing.

Pasigmar rim, do destroy monsters, we use Sigmar.

 Xyxox wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
AoS comes with a 93 page book and you are comparing 4 pages of it to the entire Dark Vengeance book.

Verified time and again to contain only fluff, gaming examples, and the war scrolls.

Ah, we do know the contents then. There you go.

Literally everything about this is awesome except the rules.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Literally everything about this is awesome except the rules.

Agreed

I'm actually 50/50 on buying it, just in case it does have some legs

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:

 XT-1984 wrote:
AoS comes with a 93 page book and you are comparing 4 pages of it to the entire Dark Vengeance book.

Verified time and again to contain only fluff, gaming examples, and the war scrolls.

Ah, we do know the contents then. There you go.

You can even see the war scrolls are in the last pages of the book because they have the page numbers on them.

The book was described in the WD article. Fluff, gaming and painting examples, war scrolls. NO RULES. The rules are the 4 pages and that's the game.

In fact, the vast majority of rules are going to be on those war scrolls, but the vast majority of rules will never be used in any given games because you simply cannot fit that many figures on the game board, though I'm sure somebody somewhere will give that a go.

And no points has been stated multiple times as well.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Literally everything about this is awesome except the rules.

If the game was playable I'd get it.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Another new image, the rear cover of WD, more new terrain at the rear?

Spoiler:

Yes, the gate on the right looks like a new terrain piece...with the cool whispy portal energy circling the inside of the gateway...the piece in the back is obviously the back side of the Ophidian Gate we saw earlier.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Literally everything about this is awesome except the rules.

My exact feelings, only the (no) points rule, the measurement rule and orruks and grots really bothers me.

I welcome our new celestial badasses.

I actually like "Orruks" as a name for a race, just not a blatant attempt at copyrightable not-Orcs.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Nicked off twitter:

He looks like he's screaming for help to hold that damned thing up

 Xyxox wrote:


Verified time and again to contain only fluff, gaming examples, and the war scrolls.

From White Dwarf:

'96 page book detailing the opening battles of the Age of Sigmar' (perhaps Scenarios are included?)

'its unlike any book we have ever published'

Hardly verified. And certainly not time and again.


EDIT: Or perhaps you are right and Warhammer IS doomed, lets just throw our models in the bin now and save us the trouble of doing it after the rules are officially released.

 XT-1984 wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:


Verified time and again to contain only fluff, gaming examples, and the war scrolls.

From White Dwarf:

'96 page book detailing the opening battles of the Age of Sigmar' (perhaps Scenarios are included?)

'its unlike any book we have ever published'

Hardly verified. And certainly not time and again.

You might want to get looking at some of those LGS accounts of what they were told was included and what that book was all about.

1. Tis only a game calm down.
2. I think it sounds fun!
3. It looks AMAZING!

The only thing i dislike is the lack of instruction for bases and pts costs.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Literally everything about this is awesome except the rules.

That's a big part of what makes this whole thing so frustrating. They've put so much work into getting everything else right... but are still overlooking the fact that the rules are what makes the game playable.


But that just brings me back to the idea that having a playable game isn't their focus right now... The 'game' is just to give people an excuse to buy pretty toys. Because buying the miniatures is what GW think our hobby is.