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2015/07/06 15:32:18
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Relapse wrote: Maybe, but think on all the controversy that happened at other tournaments besides this one. They probably just got tired of dealing with it. One hole gets plugged and another opens.
Personally, that's not a good reason to quit doing something. It'll never be perfect, and indeed, looking at the ITC tourneys and what-not, they still get complaints and issues, but its a hell of a lot better than not running anything at all.
From GW's perspective, yeah, I'll buy that for them they just didn't want to put the effort in.
Either way, I feel that its a poor decision on GW's part all around. Good ideas, poor implementation.
I admit I was sorry to see tournaments go by the boards. I used to do pretty well in the RT tournaments at the local stores back in the day, and have a fair amount of trophies and plaques.
2015/07/06 15:35:22
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Xyxox wrote: I wish I had been a fly on the wall at Mantic Games HQ this morning.
I'm sure you would have been in good company, considering all the crap products they make.
That is fairly rude to both the poster and a company that objectively makes good quality (manufacturing) miniatures, despite opinions of aesthetic
Not to send this thread further off topic but Mantic and "good quality" do not go hand in hand..... yet! They are getting there with their new plastics but currently most of their stuff is gak...
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2015/07/06 15:38:23
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
WDW077-60 WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 77 (ENGLISH) White Dwarf 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 4
80-02-60 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (ENGLISH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
80-02-01 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (FRENCH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
96-10 STORMCAST ETERNALS LIBERATORS Plastic Box 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 50
96-15 STORMCAST ETERNALS LORD-CELESTANT Plastic Clam 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-10 AGE OF SIGMAR COMBAT GAUGE Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-12 STORMCAST ETERNALS DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
65-13 KHORNE BLOODBOUND DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
- WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK LIMITED ED Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 130
Source? Cause that looks like a hardbound rulebook.
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2015/07/06 15:39:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
2015/07/06 15:44:36
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Necros wrote: Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
Nope, only supplements, which is fine by me. The first supplement has already been confirmed (mostly) and will include more indepth rules and a point system.
2015/07/06 15:45:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
I admit I was sorry to see tournaments go by the boards. I used to do pretty well in the RT tournaments at the local stores back in the day, and have a fair amount of trophies and plaques.
I'm sure you're not alone in that regard. The last time I was around an active gaming scene I went to a few smaller tournaments, including an 'Ard Boyz (I think) and some local doubles. But that must be...almost five years ago now. How the time does fly...
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2015/07/06 15:45:26
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Necros wrote: Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
The Painting Guide is softback and $30.
Novel is hardback and $15
Both are currently up for preorder.
It COULD be that this is a release of this from the starter box:
A ninety-six page Warhammer Age of Sigmar book containing:
All new background information on the realms and factions in the Age of Sigmar;
Guides to all the included miniatures - who they are, their place in their army and their abilities, plus pages of incredible showcases;
A thrilling play-through narrative, introducing the deep, compelling story behind Warhammer Age of Sigmar;
All the rules and Warscrolls for every miniature included in the box.
2015/07/06 15:45:48
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Necros wrote: Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
Those drop on the 11th and were available for pre-order on the 4th. The above indicates the books will be available for pre-order on the 11th and drop on the 18th.
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Avrik_Shasla wrote: Nope, only supplements, which is fine by me. The first supplement has already been confirmed (mostly) and will include more indepth rules and a point system.
Everything indicates there will be no points system. PR guy at Forge World Open Day confirmed this. Said there will be a balancing mechanism, though.
Given everything we know, this book is most likely scenarios with pre-built army lists as the balancing mechanism.
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2015/07/06 15:54:22
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
I admit I was sorry to see tournaments go by the boards. I used to do pretty well in the RT tournaments at the local stores back in the day, and have a fair amount of trophies and plaques.
I'm sure you're not alone in that regard. The last time I was around an active gaming scene I went to a few smaller tournaments, including an 'Ard Boyz (I think) and some local doubles. But that must be...almost five years ago now. How the time does fly...
I got into my first tournament in years through an escalation league here. It was pretty fun with amazing prize support and I came away with a war walker and wraith knight as my winnings. I might start hitting the circuit again. Even though I'm rustler than hell, it is a lot of fun.
If there are any local AoS tournaments, I'm in.
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2015/07/06 15:56:04
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
WDW077-60 WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 77 (ENGLISH) White Dwarf 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 4
80-02-60 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (ENGLISH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
80-02-01 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (FRENCH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
96-10 STORMCAST ETERNALS LIBERATORS Plastic Box 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 50
96-15 STORMCAST ETERNALS LORD-CELESTANT Plastic Clam 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-10 AGE OF SIGMAR COMBAT GAUGE Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-12 STORMCAST ETERNALS DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
65-13 KHORNE BLOODBOUND DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
- WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK LIMITED ED Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 130
Source? Cause that looks like a hardbound rulebook.
Necros wrote: Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
Those drop on the 11th and were available for pre-order on the 4th. The above indicates the books will be available for pre-order on the 11th and drop on the 18th.
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Avrik_Shasla wrote: Nope, only supplements, which is fine by me. The first supplement has already been confirmed (mostly) and will include more indepth rules and a point system.
Everything indicates there will be no points system. PR guy at Forge World Open Day confirmed this. Said there will be a balancing mechanism, though.
Given everything we know, this book is most likely scenarios with pre-built army lists as the balancing mechanism.
It wouldn't be the first time that GW lied up until a release date.
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2015/07/06 15:58:56
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Can you still customise your characters with extra gear like magic items and mounts, or do you just get what you're given on the Unit Card (war scroll?)? Is there still an Armoury and Relic List? (To borrow terms from 40k). I've never played Warhammer Fantasy but I always got the impression from White Dwarf that customizing characters was a big and fun part of list building.
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2015/07/06 15:59:52
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
WDW077-60 WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 77 (ENGLISH) White Dwarf 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 4
80-02-60 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (ENGLISH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
80-02-01 WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK (FRENCH) Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 74
96-10 STORMCAST ETERNALS LIBERATORS Plastic Box 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 50
96-15 STORMCAST ETERNALS LORD-CELESTANT Plastic Clam 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-10 AGE OF SIGMAR COMBAT GAUGE Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 33
65-12 STORMCAST ETERNALS DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
65-13 KHORNE BLOODBOUND DICE SHAKER Hobby Product 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 40
- WARHAMMER: AGE OF SIGMAR BOOK LIMITED ED Other Book 11-Jul-15 18-Jul-15 130
Source? Cause that looks like a hardbound rulebook.
Necros wrote: Isn't there a how to paint book and a novel too, both hardback? Maybe that's what the book is? I highly doubt there will be a big rulebook, since they said there won't be, and GW doesn't lie to people ever.
Those drop on the 11th and were available for pre-order on the 4th. The above indicates the books will be available for pre-order on the 11th and drop on the 18th.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Avrik_Shasla wrote: Nope, only supplements, which is fine by me. The first supplement has already been confirmed (mostly) and will include more indepth rules and a point system.
Everything indicates there will be no points system. PR guy at Forge World Open Day confirmed this. Said there will be a balancing mechanism, though.
Given everything we know, this book is most likely scenarios with pre-built army lists as the balancing mechanism.
It wouldn't be the first time that GW lied up until a release date.
True enough, but if there was going to be a BRB with a points system and they are getting so much flak about the lack of a points system, why wreck things by not admitting, "guys, point system is coming very soon."?
2015/07/06 16:00:04
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
2015/07/06 16:01:29
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Can you still customise your characters with extra gear like magic items and mounts, or do you just get what you're given on the Unit Card (war scroll?)? Is there still an Armoury and Relic List? (To borrow terms from 40k). I've never played Warhammer Fantasy but I always got the impression from White Dwarf that customizing characters was a big and fun part of list building.
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
2015/07/06 16:05:09
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Painted my free Eternal. I tried to grimdarkify him a bit.
Spoiler:
Still not sure about the models. One was fun to paint, but the range look samey. Space marines have all sorts of different power armour components that make assembling them fun, but Eternals look like an army of clones.
Not that it really matters as I'm not getting them unless some sort of a balancing mechanic materialises.
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
What was the last big one? There's no Space Hulk and it was a week away. Not saying that's what's going on, but it certainly has happened before.
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2015/07/06 16:05:44
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
What was the last big one? There's no Space Hulk and it was a week away. Not saying that's what's going on, but it certainly has happened before.
Equating a one off product with a main product line is really not a good analogy.
2015/07/06 16:11:08
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
What was the last big one? There's no Space Hulk and it was a week away. Not saying that's what's going on, but it certainly has happened before.
Equating a one off product with a main product line is really not a good analogy.
I'm equating behaviour. They are known to lie about upcoming products.
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2015/07/06 16:20:20
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
The book is the same price as apocalypse for 40k, so is most likely the rumoured campaign book. The liberators are the same price as the regular terminators so probably 5 to a box. I wonder if these are actually the archers we have seen. Is the clam pack the lantern holding guy we have seen. What about the terrain? When is that coming?
2015/07/06 16:27:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
What was the last big one? There's no Space Hulk and it was a week away. Not saying that's what's going on, but it certainly has happened before.
Equating a one off product with a main product line is really not a good analogy.
I'm equating behaviour. They are known to lie about upcoming products.
When was the last time they lied about core rules surrounding a major product line?
2015/07/06 16:28:27
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
Honestly, I believe a lot of people forget that this is a brand new game that they are probably not finished with. The rules that have been given to us thus far are just the starter rules, as has been confirmed by GW themselves. I think they are trying to get stuff out free, and early for customers to get use to, and then a point system will be coming shortly there afterwards. I give it a couple weeks.
2015/07/06 16:29:47
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Xyxox wrote: When was the last time they lied about core rules surrounding a major product line?
Not sure, I'm sure someone else keeps track of that. I have enough on my hands tracking people talking about GW.
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2015/07/06 16:29:55
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
ImAGeek wrote: Surely even GW can see that lying about something like that when it's clear that retailers were at best befuddled by the lack of a balancing system, is gonna do more harm than good. Just saying 'there's a book coming soon, with a way to balance armies' would've assuaged a lot of people's main qualm with the game...
I can't imagine it happening. That's the sort of thing that gets a board of directors into a fast emergency meeting to sack a CEO for complete ineptitude.You simply do not piss off customers like that if you have the answer inbound a week after lauch. Heck, making sure that information was out there could do nothing but HELP the launch if that was your customer's main gripe.
Honestly, I believe a lot of people forget that this is a brand new game that they are probably not finished with. The rules that have been given to us thus far are just the starter rules, as has been confirmed by GW themselves. I think they are trying to get stuff out free, and early for customers to get use to, and then a point system will be coming shortly there afterwards. I give it a couple weeks.
So then they send ut a PR guy to Forge World Open Day to lie saying there will never be a points system but there will be another balancing mechanism in the future?
How daft is that?
2015/07/06 16:30:52
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
So then they send ut a PR guy to Forge World Open Day to lie saying there will never be a points system but there will be another balancing mechanism in the future?
How daft is that?
Allegedly, have we seen confirmation from another source of that rumor?
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2015/07/06 16:32:30
Subject: Re:Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
2015/07/06 16:33:03
Subject: Age of Sigmar 4th July WD leak and new names pg 1
So then they send ut a PR guy to Forge World Open Day to lie saying there will never be a points system but there will be another balancing mechanism in the future?
How daft is that?
Allegedly, have we seen confirmation from another source of that rumor?
Rumors are just that, they are rumors until they are proven correct. I don't see any confirmation anywhere from the forgeworld PR guy, but the going rumor that is believed by many retailers is that it's on its way.
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