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I have to admit, I'm taking note of bloggers and reviewers who actually say they like AoS because obviously their tastes will never be the same as mine and thus I will never be able to take their reviews into account for any future products from anybody.

I also have a major prediction. Slaanesh will be squatted for a more "family friendly" antagonist. Since this game appears to be designed for nine year olds you cannot have a sexual deviant being a major antagonist.

 Crimson wrote:

Thank you. Does that mean that they cannot have sword and shield or dual hammers? Models were shown with those combinations...
Is anything stopping the champion having the unit's single great weapon?

Sorry, was in a bit of a hurry. Yes, they can have dual Warhammer, dual Warblade, Warhammer/Shield or Warblade/Shield.
Nothing stopping the prime from taking the Grandhammer/Grandblade. It just says: one model.

Slaanesh is being squatted because he just plain sucks and is unpopular. His models are uninteresting humanoids or animals they shove as many boobs or "totally not phalluses" on with long tongues.

Noise Marines were the only Slaanesh unit that was interesting because they embodied a form of hedonism that wasn't just sex like every other unit was. His daemons and followers have always been super subpar and nothing but the joke end of Chaos. I hope he gets squatted or rebooted into something far more interesting with some actual substance. Screw the "family friendly" vibe, nobody cares about that. His figures were just weird and uninteresting. The only "cool" daemon I ever liked of his was actually the one in Warhammer: Age of Reckoning (the 4 legged dark eldar looking thing.)

But go on, I'd love to hear more from someone who I obviously disagree with one thing about with. Since I can actually take opinions from people after finding they have an opposite opinion on a very niche thing.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

So there is no difference between Hammer and Shield or Sword and Shield? Wierd, but I guess it could help visually identify different units.

Different To-Hit and To-Wound rolls for hammer/sword.

 Xyxox wrote:
I have to admit, I'm taking note of bloggers and reviewers who actually say they like AoS because obviously their tastes will never be the same as mine and thus I will never be able to take their reviews into account for any future products from anybody.

I also have a major prediction. Slaanesh will be squatted for a more "family friendly" antagonist. Since this game appears to be designed for nine year olds you cannot have a sexual deviant being a major antagonist.

Slaanesh is the God/dess of Excess, not just "LOL SEX GOD!".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
I have to admit, I'm taking note of bloggers and reviewers who actually say they like AoS because obviously their tastes will never be the same as mine and thus I will never be able to take their reviews into account for any future products from anybody.

I also have a major prediction. Slaanesh will be squatted for a more "family friendly" antagonist. Since this game appears to be designed for nine year olds you cannot have a sexual deviant being a major antagonist.

Slaanesh is the God/dess of Excess, not just "LOL SEX GOD!".

Thank you so much.

This is my biggest issue with all of his models. They just cram it down your throat that he/she is all about sex. In case having 6 boobs and hermaphroditic features weren't enough, they decided to shape everything with phalluses and give them extremely long tongues to drive the point home.

Slaanesh's followers that were vain or indulgent in non-sexual desires were by and far my favorites in the novels and backstory.

I can easily picture Chaos Warriors of Khorne, Tzeentch, or Nurgle in my head in a heartbeat, but I can't for the life of me think of what to do to create Slaanesh warriors. Shiny as hell, over-detailed armor is about the closest thing I can think of (and that describes everything in this universe, including Sigmarines.)

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
I have to admit, I'm taking note of bloggers and reviewers who actually say they like AoS because obviously their tastes will never be the same as mine and thus I will never be able to take their reviews into account for any future products from anybody.

I also have a major prediction. Slaanesh will be squatted for a more "family friendly" antagonist. Since this game appears to be designed for nine year olds you cannot have a sexual deviant being a major antagonist.

Slaanesh is the God/dess of Excess, not just "LOL SEX GOD!".

Thank you so much.

This is my biggest issue with all of his models. They just cram it down your throat that he/she is all about sex. In case having 6 boobs and hermaphroditic features weren't enough, they decided to shape everything with phalluses and give them extremely long tongues to drive the point home.

Slaanesh's followers that were vain or indulgent in non-sexual desires were by and far my favorites in the novels and backstory.

I can easily picture Chaos Warriors of Khorne, Tzeentch, or Nurgle in my head in a heartbeat, but I can't for the life of me think of what to do to create Slaanesh warriors. Shiny as hell, over-detailed armor is about the closest thing I can think of (and that describes everything in this universe, including Sigmarines.)

Regardless, I don't see them keeping him around conidering the targeted demographic (parents of minors who are being cajoled by said minors to buy this "really cool stuff").

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

So there is no difference between Hammer and Shield or Sword and Shield? Wierd, but I guess it could help visually identify different units.

Different To-Hit and To-Wound rolls for hammer/sword.

Ah ok, thanks, pic was work blocked.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

So there is no difference between Hammer and Shield or Sword and Shield? Wierd, but I guess it could help visually identify different units.

Different To-Hit and To-Wound rolls for hammer/sword.

Which of course does not alter the odds of actually delivering the wound...

@Shadowclaimer: There are characters in both Warhammer-verses that show you can actually do a Slaaneshi follower without sexing it up.
Fabius Bile- not technically Slaaneshi but he does take things to excess..
Lucius the Eternal
Doomrider

There's only 1 guy that springs to mind in the fantasy-verse sadly.
Sigvald the Magnificent.

All fine examples of non-sexed up Slaanesh guys..GW won't Squat Slaanesh, he's always been a key figure in the Fall of the Eldar.

I wonder if there will actually be any new female models

I notice the best heroes of Warhammer in WD had none............

 Xyxox wrote:
I also have a major prediction. Slaanesh will be squatted for a more "family friendly" antagonist. Since this game appears to be designed for nine year olds you cannot have a sexual deviant being a major antagonist.

Who was WHFB designed for? Basement-dwelling manchildren who throw fits and insults when other people like what they don't like?

 Crimson wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

So there is no difference between Hammer and Shield or Sword and Shield? Wierd, but I guess it could help visually identify different units.

Different To-Hit and To-Wound rolls for hammer/sword.

Which of course does not alter the odds of actually delivering the wound...

There is still a difference, though, given the presence of Command Benefits that affect hit/wound rolls specifically. For example, if you have an ability to dole out rerolls to hit, your probably better taking the weapon with a better Wound score.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if there will actually be any new female models

I notice the best heroes of Warhammer in WD had none............

TBH, long time Warhammer Fantasy lore fan here.

Outside of Elves, are there any major female heroes?

Can we expect to see some individually sold Khorne units on the heels of the non-box set Sigmar dudes?

-C6

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
@ atia twitter

https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/618814669856329728

So they killed Slaanesh in favor of a spider god?

 catharsix wrote:
Can we expect to see some Khorne units on the heels of the non-box set Sigmar dudes?


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Can we expect to see some Khorne units on the heels of the non-box set Sigmar dudes?

-C6

The Bloodhorde or whatever its called is part of the first Scenario book that comes with 24 new warscrolls. I think we're safe in saying they have new models coming too.

So are the Sylvaneth for what its worth.


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 streamdragon wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
@ atia twitter

https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/618814669856329728

So they killed Slaanesh in favor of a spider god?

Most likely Horned Rat since Skaven are now Chaos.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
@ atia twitter

https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/618814669856329728

So they killed Slaanesh in favor of a spider god?

Most likely Horned Rat since Skaven are now Chaos.

Not unless they decided to change the Horned Rat's sigil.

I dont think slaanesh will get squatted, but i can see gw retconning alot of the fluff and units and realeasing new models with stronger concepts and deeper personalities than LOLGENITALS. I mean not just for the kids that might get into this game but for strength of concept. Excess has many different faces that could be really cool. Greed, gluttony, hunger for power, torturing beings/causing pain, speed, drugs, any form of addictive behaviour, vanity, jealousy, the act of giving and then taking away, causing/experiencing variant emotions, lying, self pity, protectiveness, proliferation, the list goes on and on. sex should be a small subset of "What is Slaanesh" rather than the defining factor

It really is a strong concept, just quite poorly executed and thought out. Dante Aligieri did better hundreds of years ago. Gw could easily make slaanesh just as interesting and varied if not more so than the other chaos gods.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
@ atia twitter

https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/618814669856329728

So they killed Slaanesh in favor of a spider god?

Most likely Horned Rat since Skaven are now Chaos.

Okay, that makes sense.

In a way the rat god idea falls under Slaanesh due to the way skaven are portrayed in Warhammer as being all about base needs and excesses. So maybe it's more that the Horned Rat was an extension of Slaanesh all along.

 streamdragon wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
@ atia twitter

https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/618814669856329728

So they killed Slaanesh in favor of a spider god?

Most likely Horned Rat since Skaven are now Chaos.

Not unless they decided to change the Horned Rat's sigil.

I wouldn't specifically put it past them but I forgot he already had a specific sigil honestly.

No idea, here's to hoping for Malice.


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AncientSkarbrand wrote:
I dont think slaanesh will get squatted, but i can see gw retconning alot of the fluff and units and realeasing new models with stronger concepts and deeper personalities than LOLGENITALS. I mean not just for the kids that might get into this game but for strength of concept. Excess has many different faces that could be really cool. Greed, gluttony, hunger for power, torturing beings/causing pain, speed, drugs, any form of addictive behaviour, vanity, jealousy, the act of giving and then taking away, causing/experiencing variant emotions, lying, self pity, protectiveness, proliferation, the list goes on and on. sex should be a small subset of "What is Slaanesh" rather than the defining factor

It really is a strong concept, just quite poorly executed and thought out. Dante Aligieri did better hundreds of years ago. Gw could easily make slaanesh just as interesting and varied if not more so than the other chaos gods.

I really like the idea of Slaanesh focusing more on greed/desire, I could easily model an army after that. You'd have pirates, trophy takers, thieves, etc. covering themselves in excess gains and such and focused on the need for more and more until it consumes them (possibly literally.)

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if there will actually be any new female models

I notice the best heroes of Warhammer in WD had none............

TBH, long time Warhammer Fantasy lore fan here.

Outside of Elves, are there any major female heroes?

Neferata, Khalida, Isabella VC, Fey Enchantress, Valkia, plus as you say the Everqueen/Morathi, Helebrone are pretty important

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if there will actually be any new female models

I notice the best heroes of Warhammer in WD had none............

TBH, long time Warhammer Fantasy lore fan here.

Outside of Elves, are there any major female heroes?

Neferata, Khalida, Isabella VC, Fey Enchantress, Valkia, plus as you say the Everqueen/Morathi, Helebrone are pretty important

I guess in my head I was moreso focused on the "good" factions, totally wasn't thinking TK and VC.

Is Valkia actually a major character? Thought she was just kinda referenced. I haven't read a ton of End Times stuff as a note.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if there will actually be any new female models

I notice the best heroes of Warhammer in WD had none............

TBH, long time Warhammer Fantasy lore fan here.

Outside of Elves, are there any major female heroes?

Neferata, Khalida, Isabella VC, Fey Enchantress, Valkia, plus as you say the Everqueen/Morathi, Helebrone are pretty important

I guess in my head I was moreso focused on the "good" factions, totally wasn't thinking TK and VC.

Is Valkia actually a major character? Thought she was just kinda referenced. I haven't read a ton of End Times stuff as a note.

Well she is def one of Khorne's favourites and does plenty of killing - her ownnovel is quite a good read too.

Khalida is not really bad - just dead

Neferata often acts in the interests of the living - as long as they serve hers - she is no friend of Chaos (or Nagash - was not totally happy with her part in the ET tbh)

AncientSkarbrand wrote:I dont think slaanesh will get squatted, but i can see gw retconning alot of the fluff and units and realeasing new models with stronger concepts and deeper personalities than LOLGENITALS.

Considering that we still have the Slaanesh keyword for existing units, I don't see Slaanesh going anywhere either. It's possible they slowly phase Slaanesh out, ushering in a new Chaos God.

Hulksmash wrote:In a way the rat god idea falls under Slaanesh due to the way skaven are portrayed in Warhammer as being all about base needs and excesses. So maybe it's more that the Horned Rat was an extension of Slaanesh all along.

Skaven aren't about greed and excess in quite that fashion though. There's no skaven artwork, no concept of beauty or elegance or anything like that. Skaven "greed" is based on stark survival; those with more have a better chance to live. They don't want things just to want them, they want things to survive.

Shadowclaimer wrote:
I wouldn't specifically put it past them but I forgot he already had a specific sigil honestly.

No idea, here's to hoping for Malice.

I wouldn't either, but I suspect it's a simpler answer: they didn't want to continue with the lolpenis sigil they had been using.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Slaanesh is being squatted because he just plain sucks and is unpopular. His models are uninteresting humanoids or animals they shove as many boobs or "totally not phalluses" on with long tongues.

Noise Marines were the only Slaanesh unit that was interesting because they embodied a form of hedonism that wasn't just sex like every other unit was. His daemons and followers have always been super subpar and nothing but the joke end of Chaos. I hope he gets squatted or rebooted into something far more interesting with some actual substance. Screw the "family friendly" vibe, nobody cares about that. His figures were just weird and uninteresting. The only "cool" daemon I ever liked of his was actually the one in Warhammer: Age of Reckoning (the 4 legged dark eldar looking thing.)

But go on, I'd love to hear more from someone who I obviously disagree with one thing about with. Since I can actually take opinions from people after finding they have an opposite opinion on a very niche thing.

You are wrong there. He embodies everything to excess, people who go right to sex and just kids who can't get none. For the rest of us and those who wrote the books always decribed him and being excess and do things that most of us find disgusting. Orgy of flesh for instant where they mention the dark feast. The wealth ect. If anything tzeench should get squatted what your a wizard and like to plan things...interesting.

 streamdragon wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:I dont think slaanesh will get squatted, but i can see gw retconning alot of the fluff and units and realeasing new models with stronger concepts and deeper personalities than LOLGENITALS.

Considering that we still have the Slaanesh keyword for existing units, I don't see Slaanesh going anywhere either. It's possible they slowly phase Slaanesh out, ushering in a new Chaos God.

Hulksmash wrote:In a way the rat god idea falls under Slaanesh due to the way skaven are portrayed in Warhammer as being all about base needs and excesses. So maybe it's more that the Horned Rat was an extension of Slaanesh all along.

Skaven aren't about greed and excess in quite that fashion though. There's no skaven artwork, no concept of beauty or elegance or anything like that. Skaven "greed" is based on stark survival; those with more have a better chance to live. They don't want things just to want them, they want things to survive.

Shadowclaimer wrote:
I wouldn't specifically put it past them but I forgot he already had a specific sigil honestly.

No idea, here's to hoping for Malice.

I wouldn't either, but I suspect it's a simpler answer: they didn't want to continue with the lolpenis sigil they had been using.

That's a good point I hadn't considered, if we still have the Slaanesh keyword he probably isn't going anywhere.

Skaven want to succeed AND everyone else to fail - horribily, and be at their mercy.

They do lust after warpstone (and apparently to a lesser extent over females) but agree that getting and staying on top is the priority.

Slaanesh what have they done to you....theyve....theyve censored you!