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2015/07/08 21:28:19
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
Shadowclaimer wrote: I'd just say Slaanesh missing instead of retcon'd. Hell for all we know that might just be a revised Slaanesh icon and the 4chan leak is a lie.
they tried to capture slaanesh but failed but in the attempt slaanesh knew he needed more power (as in his abscence the other gods striked and stole some of his realm and he needed to get it back) and in a fit of madness he joined with the great maw and the horned rat to become the god of gluttony and excess.
I mean lets be honest, at this point, anything goes and we are all just throwing out ideas and I kinda like that, we all know slaanesh is not going anywhere and IMO slaanesh needed to become a bit more distinct (lore wise) from the other gods, his excess never made sense if you ask me, excess in violence could support khorne, excess if lies, tzeentch etc... his only other theme was "sex" which in itself was rather stupid, sex in war? come on...
the whole "slaanesh ate a lot of souls" could fit the point of gluttony maybe slaanesh did not fuse with other gods but just became a bit more distinct.. so I will say
Slaanesh - god of gluttony.. (still excess) but more distinct, think fat guys with nipple rings
new champion of slaanesh
2015/07/10 04:30:15
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Campaign/Fluff Book, Stormcast Archers, Unmounted Celestan Incoming
Sounds romantic. Arranged by Slaanesh? Who was then kicked out of the Pantheon by the other Ruinous Powers, who are just too conservative to accept their love. Hopefully all will be revealed in the big book!
Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short,[1][2] is the alteration of previously established facts in the continuity of a fictional work.[3]
Its the direct alteration of things that already existed. Slaanesh not existing anymore in the new timeline isn't retroactive, its current changes to the story and current continuity. If they decided to re-attribute something Slaanesh did to someone else than that would be a retcon.
Missing is probably a bad term too, but its directly what we have given the exact leak from WD "The Dark Prince is missing" and a picture of his icon being gone.
I mean I don't care that much, its probably nothing to sit here and argue about. I just don't want to see this thread devolve into more AOS circlejerk bashing on tiny threads of information like it has been for 300 pages and I was afraid people would assume the worst with "retcon".
I think in general I just need to unsubscribe from this thread, its caused me nothing but stress and has led to me jumping at people I probably shouldn't a few too many times now.
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bitethythumb wrote: I mean lets be honest, at this point, anything goes and we are all just throwing out ideas and I kinda like that, we all know slaanesh is not going anywhere and IMO slaanesh needed to become a bit more distinct (lore wise) from the other gods, his excess never made sense if you ask me, excess in violence could support khorne, excess if lies, tzeentch etc...]
There was some lore in a Daemons Army Book awhile back that Slaanesh was in fact getting stronger because of their excesses, and the other chaos gods knew it and were disconcerted. It was just a blurb, and a subtle one at that, but the implication was that he'd exceed them all, given time.
2015/07/08 21:35:49
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
oni wrote: SOoo... Am I the only one that's noticed we'll be getting a new RoBG along with the AoS releases?
Nope, it was discussed before, somewhere in this gargantuan thread.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
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2015/07/08 21:37:53
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
bitethythumb wrote: they could have just changed the symbol because the symbol was too sexual (hermaphrodite symbol?) and slaanesh is all there and safe.
I would actually be happy enough with this result.
And yes, the odds all overlap in some ways.
2015/07/08 21:39:23
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
My hope is Morathi.. and I don't think her presence in the 8th 'get you by' lists means a great deal for AoS lore going forward.
Although it will probably just be a new symbol for Slaanesh.. can't see it being the Horned Rat, it seems from the End Times story, and limited info we have so far they are still sitting on the underbelly of things Chaos side. Be'lakor seems possible, if a bit boring, never much of a fan of his.
Going on the End Times story, it seems for the most part it is carrying over into AoS.. Morathi was last seen being grabbed by Slaanesh, we know she served him previously, and if Tyrion captures him.. would she take the throne given half the chance.
Still think this just might be the start of some long running story mind, gives Slaanesh Demons something to be doing while side stepping the whole 'icky stuff' that seems to be the key reason GW avoids doing anything with him.. as they can't seem to come up with an interesting alternative.
I'm interested in seeing what they are up to tbh.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
2015/07/08 21:40:36
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
I just can't wait to see if its a minor chaos deity. The lore in a few sources has mentioned now that there are thousands of them with various spheres of influence and power that the big four have to keep down. I'd love to see what another branch of Chaos could become for conversions, modeling, and armies.
bitethythumb wrote: they could have just changed the symbol because the symbol was too sexual (hermaphrodite symbol?) and slaanesh is all there and safe.
I would actually be happy enough with this result.
And yes, the odds all overlap in some ways.
I am going to go with slaanesh evolving to become the god of gluttony/excess and being a mixture of the great maw/or/skave/or/mixture of both and slaanesh, its the whole "feasting on souls" and the aelfs attempting to capture him when he has feasted, like he ate so much souls the dude was all fat and tired (like we get after Christmas meals) maybe giving him more distinction from the 40k counterpart and giving him more to work with..
I mean Slaanesh is my fav god next to nurgle but he always felt like he never belonged, always weak, his attributes always mixing with the other gods... he just felt off, gluttony as a theme could work for him as its a bit more distinct from excess... and could give him a better "theme" or should I say different theme (better is subjective)
Khorne, muscles, metal, blood
Nurgle, decay, bloating, disease
Tzeentch, pink, weird, robes
Slaanesh, fat, gold, nakedness (because man boobs are ok, ask the ogres)
2015/07/08 21:47:04
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
To me the point of slaanesh is that his followers are depraved. Khorn guys are bassicly the kurgan from highlander. Killers who fight with brute force and over power people with might.
Slaanesh warriors are all jack the ripper and Ed Gein types. They kill, but what is horrofic about them is what they do AFTER killing someone. Like using the body in depraved rituals.
2015/07/08 21:50:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
Other than the fact she's my fave character.. the idea that there would be a female Chaos God appeals greatly.. so I expect my hopes to be dashed to pieces in short order.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
2015/07/08 21:54:32
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
The idea that a mortal can become one of the Dark Gods is ... I dunno, very weird. Star Child weird. As in, it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever. The Ruinous Powers aren't really characters like Sigmar or the Emperor. They are manifestations of the Warp itself, or rather how the Warp appears from a certain psycho-emotional standpoint.
Manchu wrote: The idea that a mortal can become one of the Dark Gods is ... I dunno, very weird. Star Child weird. As in, it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever. The Ruinous Powers aren't really characters like Sigmar or the Emperor. They are manifestations of the Warp itself, or rather how the Warp appears from a certain psycho-emotional standpoint.
I agree, I don't see a mortal ascending to Chaos God form without an extensive, extensive build up to it.
Well you could argue she spent her entire life trying to one up her position, this would equal top of the pile.
Of course in all likelihood it won't be her. I'm just seeing that pic and thinking it really looks like her helm, but after throwing thirty odd years of story out the window for AoS, I am quickly coming around to the idea that anything could happen.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
2015/07/08 22:03:14
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
Manchu wrote: The idea that a mortal can become one of the Dark Gods is ... I dunno, very weird. Star Child weird. As in, it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever. The Ruinous Powers aren't really characters like Sigmar or the Emperor. They are manifestations of the Warp itself, or rather how the Warp appears from a certain psycho-emotional standpoint.
Ever heard of a Daemon Prince?
Interestingly, in older fluff, there were more than 4 chaos gods. There were hundreds/thousands of minor gods. It was said that when a god became too weak, they could survive by becoming a daemon. If that's the case, then it stands to reason that the opposite could occur. A powerful independent daemon could become a god. I doubt they would ever be able to rival the power of the big 4, but my point is, the progression of Mortal >Daemon >God is totally possible.
Get Some.
2015/07/08 22:03:23
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
PrehistoricUFO wrote: The Slaanesh potential removal bugs meeeeee as I just started a Slaanesh force. It's still quite small but I was so looking forward to growing it. :(
I see what you did there.
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Lockark wrote: To me the point of slaanesh is that his followers are depraved. Khorn guys are bassicly the kurgan from highlander. Killers who fight with brute force and over power people with might.
Slaanesh warriors are all jack the ripper and Ed Gein types. They kill, but what is horrofic about them is what they do AFTER killing someone. Like using the body in depraved rituals.
It's about self-indulgence vs self-denial.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2015/07/08 22:06:52
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
It does look like Morathi's head thingy. If she becomes some sort of Slaaneshi avatar and the model doesn't suck or look as ugly as sin. I'd be tempted.
2015/07/08 22:09:57
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
My guess is that if they were planning to upgrade a mortal to godhood, I would guess they would promote Archaon.. He is pretty much the Sigmar of Chaos already.
2015/07/08 22:11:27
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
primalexile wrote: My guess is that if they were planning to upgrade a mortal to godhood, I would guess they would promote Archaon.. He is pretty much the Sigmar of Chaos already.
Except Sigmar didn't get sucker punched by Grimgor
2015/07/08 22:11:40
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
Manchu wrote: The idea that a mortal can become one of the Dark Gods is ... I dunno, very weird. Star Child weird. As in, it doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever. The Ruinous Powers aren't really characters like Sigmar or the Emperor. They are manifestations of the Warp itself, or rather how the Warp appears from a certain psycho-emotional standpoint.
I agree, I don't see a mortal ascending to Chaos God form without an extensive, extensive build up to it.
maybe not ascending but becoming one with slaanesh... kinda like slaanesh eating her and then becoming something far more, I am still hoping for gluttony theme, there are not enough evil fatties in warhammer or miniatures in gerenal, and fat trannies turn me on... Ogre Kingdom was ok but I need more fatties.
2015/07/08 22:15:47
Subject: Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Retcon? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan
primalexile wrote: My guess is that if they were planning to upgrade a mortal to godhood, I would guess they would promote Archaon.. He is pretty much the Sigmar of Chaos already.
Except Sigmar didn't get sucker punched by Grimgor
Nor did Archaon technically, that definitely was a retcon.
that seems to be the key reason 
