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 Grot 6 wrote:
a 12' long piece of PVC pipe doesn't cost a lot.


Just saying.....

Doesn't look as good ether edit: now Copper piping with proper fittings.. now that looks good.

 Clang wrote:
Hmm, using my leftover Manufactorium bits from Cities of Death and some plain PVC pipe, I could make a very nice counts-as Promethium Pipes of the 'official' size, that would still look GrimDark(TM) enough to appease purists.

At NZD$75, there's no way I'd buy the kit :(

about 10 bucks or so from your local hardware store....

Wow! USD 83 for a fortification! That's quite an investment--you could just about buy an Imperial Knight instead.

And, yeah, the piping is ridiculous for the asking price. Branding aside, it's just piping...GW needs to rein itself in.

Along with that, what was the reason again for lighting off plasma weapons around promethium pipes?


Seriously?

 Grot 6 wrote:
Along with that, what was the reason again for lighting off plasma weapons around promethium pipes?


Seriously?

Not sure what you're asking here.

 insaniak wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Along with that, what was the reason again for lighting off plasma weapons around promethium pipes?


Seriously?

Not sure what you're asking here.

It might be just a loaded question, but are you really in need of a spiky bit pipe?

For that price, it better shoot off flames or something. maybe have some hidden speakers or smoke colums opening from the pipes?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think the Gets Hot rule was put in for the fun of rolling D3 randomly allocated wounds to units inside the building.

I'm still amazed that GW insists on making rules for random wound allocation. It's like they think the old system was so unforgivably bad, that they repent by plastering random wound allocation on every chance they get.

 Thairne wrote:
You link the flamer not to your tank, but to the pipe. Larger pressure and more fuel in reserve leads to a higher output, but reduces your mobility.

So in the dark reaches of the far future, fuel pipelines have pressure controlled outlets every couple of feet for people to tap into at random? No wonder the Imperium is doomed.

Plasma obliterator is unbalanced, 290 odd points for an apoc blast?

 Da Stormlord wrote:
Plasma obliterator is unbalanced, 290 odd points for an apoc blast?

One can only imagine how you feel about the Deathstrike Launcher, which is cheaper for the Apocalyptic Blast template...

 Da Stormlord wrote:
Plasma obliterator is unbalanced, 290 odd points for an apoc blast?

Unless the pic in the first post is wrong, it is 230 Pts and uses the 7" massive blast not the 10" apoc blast?

No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?

 kronk wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think the Gets Hot rule was put in for the fun of rolling D3 randomly allocated wounds to units inside the building.

Random wounds are the Devil's wounds.

It is the sort of thing that would appeal to GW's target market, though.

Random is the new order.

Herzlos wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
You link the flamer not to your tank, but to the pipe. Larger pressure and more fuel in reserve leads to a higher output, but reduces your mobility.

So in the dark reaches of the far future, fuel pipelines have pressure controlled outlets every couple of feet for people to tap into at random? No wonder the Imperium is doomed.

People just use self-tapping junctions. And when they are done, just patch the hole with a little bubblegum a/o duct tape. It does explain the hellish wasteland of most imperial worlds.

 BrookM wrote:
Random is the new order.

Why new? GW gaming systems were always random. Throwing plenty of dice for no reason is fun in itself, after all.

This new Big Cannon is just an oversized plasma gun glued on top of a 40k building (meaning it has skulls everywhere so that no one would actually be going inside). I really feel like they just enlarge a Space Marine plasma gun, put it right on and that's it.

About rules...well, that's GW. What did you expect? Something clever and balanced? Wrong game, sorry.

majorhavok wrote:
No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?

I play Grey Knights, and co-own (with my wife) a Sisters of Battle Army. For 40pts, a piece of terrain like that with rules that significantly bulk out anti-horde potency can be wonderful.

Fortifications with rules are part of the FoC, I wish more people would use them, and not just Aegis lines. They're a part of list-building which can really matter if your local meta allows, so I am all for options and diversity.

gungo wrote:
a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.

Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.

 warboss wrote:

gungo wrote:
a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.

Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.

In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. I only played Orks and IG but there was several units that didn't use a blast and I had to use the measuring tape to see which models were in range. I'm sure if people wanted to argue with you they could list several more. Just because the template didn't exist or a model wasn't created yet doesn't mean it wasn't a blast. The death strike originally didn't have a model, I believe forgeworld did however I didn't own it then but I am quite certain the unit entry was in my 3rd edition 2nd release codex before the model was released. Sorry you are wrong.

gungo wrote:

 warboss wrote:

gungo wrote:
a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.

Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.

In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. Sorry you are wrong.

I noticed you completely ignored admitting you were wrong about the deathstrike. As for the pulsa rokkit, it went from 2nd edition to the apoc 4th edition book with nothing in between to my knowledge so there wasn't a 3rd edition 7" template from that either in normal 40k. It wasn't in the get you by rules in the 3e rulebook, the ork codex, or the speedfreak one for sure and I don't recall it being in any of the chapter approved stuff as well. Next lie/fallacy?

And now you've edited your post to include stuff about the deathstrike. I've already covered that above. You want to like the plasma fort? I have no problem with that and you're completely free to like it and use it at your leisure. Just don't flat out make up crap about that sort of stuff existing in previous editions like 3rd just to try and shut up folks who don't like the force feeding of apocalypse into 1500pt games by GW.

This seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for a while. Why did Games Workshop make the Shield Generator kit extremely limited? Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?

 Quarterdime wrote:
Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?

Preporders poped up before the WD was even available to most so not really.

 Quarterdime wrote:
This seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for a while. Why did Games Workshop make the Shield Generator kit extremely limited? Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?

Greed, lack of risk, looks good on paper. It's easy to brag about something selling out in minutes worldwide and has a fixed cost that doesn't result in another Dreadfleet debacle where they end up recalling and/or destroying product. The flip side on that is that they obviously lost out on profit as well due to lost sales.

majorhavok wrote:
No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?

We use the Stronghold Assault and terrain dataslates extensively. Of course, this may have to do with our group being terrain junkies.

Skyshield, Wall of Martyrs, ADL, Firestorm, Aquila, Cities of Death, et cetera. It just adds so much to the game. To us, terrain is more important than titans.

I never lied warhammer 40k has always had blasts larger then 5in. You said before there was no blasts larger then 5in until apoc in 4edition. That was a flat out lie.
I clearly answered your question of when there was a blast weapon larger before that. The pulse rokkit. Just because you are trying to argue the fact that the interim 3rd edition book may or may not have had no blasts larger then 5in is not what I was stating. Warhammer has had blasts larger then 5in since 2nd edition. But if you are still anal and trying to argue I am quite sure I can find a blast weapon with a diameter larger then 5 not only in 2nd edition but from one of the many chapter approved books or white dwarfs I have stacked in my basement from 3rd-4th edition.

I won't buy them cause I'm not really into imperial terrain but I quite like what I can see of the pipes. Yeah, PVC and your bits box is cheaper, but it's gonna look like PVC with 40k bits glued to it. This actually looks like it belongs in the setting.

 warboss wrote:

gungo wrote:

 warboss wrote:

gungo wrote:
a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.

Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.

In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. Sorry you are wrong.

I noticed you completely ignored admitting you were wrong about the deathstrike. As for the pulsa rokkit, it went from 2nd edition to the apoc 4th edition book with nothing in between to my knowledge so there wasn't a 3rd edition 7" template from that either in normal 40k. It wasn't in the get you by rules in the 3e rulebook, the ork codex, or the speedfreak one for sure and I don't recall it being in any of the chapter approved stuff as well. Next lie/fallacy?

And now you've edited your post to include stuff about the deathstrike. I've already covered that above. You want to like the plasma fort? I have no problem with that and you're completely free to like it and use it at your leisure. Just don't flat out make up crap about that sort of stuff existing in previous editions like 3rd just to try and shut up folks who don't like the force feeding of apocalypse into 1500pt games by GW.

you are already wrong there was blasts larger then. 5in in second edition. The interim 3rd book may or may not have had a blast larger then 5in but it wasn't long after they were reintroduced. I don't even like the plasma building rules however you are completely wrong saying these blasts weapons only existed in apoc. That is a lie.

Whatever, Gungo. You've resorted to trying to crowdsource a possible greater than 5" template in 3rd edition (which is the edition that YOU referenced in your original post that I responded to) that YOU yourself are not aware of after having both of your "hello deathstrike missle" and pulse rokkit examples proven wrong in the edition YOU chose to use. If there is an example that YOU are NOT aware of posted at some point in the future from 3rd edition to "prove" your point despite you being clueless about it, it doesn't make your snarky original post any more correct. The edition YOU chose to reference (3rd) was a hard reboot that got rid of alot of the craziness and things like 7in blasts simply didn't exist to my knowledge until Apoc reintroduced them in late 4th in apoc games. You have yet to prove me wrong for the edition YOU chose to reference and that I responded about. In any case, your inability to admit you're wrong and trying to move the goalposts back to 2nd edition when your sarcastic "point" was completely false about 3rd is off topic. You can feel free to repond but you're ignored.

Does it actually matter when, if or even at all there were blasts of the aforementioned or any other ker-azy diameter ...?

No , it doesn't, so lets not disrupt the thread further with a truly pointless argument.

Thank you.

Further posts on that particular tangent will be viewed as spam and treated accordingly.

 Talys wrote:

majorhavok wrote:
No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?

We use the Stronghold Assault and terrain dataslates extensively. Of course, this may have to do with our group being terrain junkies.

Skyshield, Wall of Martyrs, ADL, Firestorm, Aquila, Cities of Death, et cetera. It just adds so much to the game. To us, terrain is more important than titans.

I envy you. Do you have pics of your groups tables?