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2015/04/18 20:41:06
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
it's based on a partial STC for the conduits used to supply fuel to an Emperor Titan's flamethrower, but with the info data about the actual weapon corrupted and lost they just don't realise it
that's why the promethium lines are so suited to plug into and at just the right pressure etc for shooty flamey goodness
I don't see how pressure designed for an impossibly-large flamethrower translates to pressure for a regular one.
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Stormwall wrote: Glad I got two. I was going to cut the center section out, and make it more like a bastion. (Keeping it on the same height mind you. I wish I could go taller but, then someone would say Modelling for advantage.) However, they are so short it would just look stumpy and 2d if I did that. :/ It's a shame. Plus if I do that, I may actually being damaging it's worth, since these don't exist anymore.
I'm reading too much into this, aren't I?
I don't know if I want the second one, I may sell it to pay the bills. :/
I'd do that if I were you. I'm sure someone will want one of those more than you want two. And you can make a profit from it anyways, what's not to like? Buy an actual Bastion if you want something like a Bastion. I mean why not just buy a Bastion?
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2015/04/18 21:26:44
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
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2015/04/18 22:30:09
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
Well I'm not one of the guys who says it doesn't make sense due to pressure, I was playing devil's advocate there.
What I can't imagine is A: There being a port small enough and positioned right for some guy, in the middle of combat, to run up to it and attach... what? A hose or tube of some kind? Where's that coming from? I don't see it lying around the pipes. I don't see it on a guardsman or space marine with a flamer.
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2015/04/18 22:35:15
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
Stormwall wrote: Glad I got two. I was going to cut the center section out, and make it more like a bastion. (Keeping it on the same height mind you. I wish I could go taller but, then someone would say Modelling for advantage.) However, they are so short it would just look stumpy and 2d if I did that. :/ It's a shame. Plus if I do that, I may actually being damaging it's worth, since these don't exist anymore.
I'm reading too much into this, aren't I?
I don't know if I want the second one, I may sell it to pay the bills. :/
I'd do that if I were you. I'm sure someone will want one of those more than you want two. And you can make a profit from it anyways, what's not to like? Buy an actual Bastion if you want something like a Bastion. I mean why not just buy a Bastion?
Yeah, you're right. I just feel like it's taking advantage of all the hype. *devious laugh* Perhaps that is what I planned to begin with?
I'm going to honestly wait until I have to sell it to sell it. (Probably six months from now, to prep for a Sweden trip.) I've begun assembling mine, I ordered a bastion off ebay, I'm going to make a gate with the bastion on one side, portcullis and rampart in the middle and then this gun on the other side. The towers will be magnitized so I may remove them for individual use. I think it will be an awesome entrance to my fortress.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Three parts in, I can state this is gonna suck to assemble. Will post thoughts when done?
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A Firestorm Redoubt, Marine, Terminator, Thunderwolf and Venom for scale:
So... umm... where's the entrance/exit to this new tower?
Partially concealed in this photo, but there are two hatches at the base of the model, on either side. In this photo, left and right.
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2015/04/19 02:39:24
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
First picture, bottom right, there's a porthole cover leading down to an implied below-ground portion of the structure. There could be who knows what in those foundations, it could be an entire facility! That's what the Fortress of Redemption is, anyway.
2015/04/19 02:57:13
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
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2015/04/19 03:10:35
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
They can but, I am gluing my tower down, allowing only the top to spin.
As for the entrance, I was going to make a 2 inch hill with a bunker door to it but, I bet someone would say I was modelling for the advantage. So I haven't.
Hopefully by midnight or 1AM I will have a post showing how I built my tower, if any of you guys care to see that.
Edit: Made a corridor that is raised but drops down to the tower, like a bunker entrance. That way the tower is level with the board and normal height but, it has an actual entrance that looks good.
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pretre wrote: So do both the tower and the turret spin?
I was wondering that too, but finally decided on no. I'm gonna go with the idea that it's designed that way due to STCs or possibly even ease of production.
2015/04/19 03:27:16
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
There is a guy on bartertown selling 6 of them for anyone who missed out due to scalpers.
Are they made of normal styrene plastic that you can use plastic glue on or something else? They look a bit shiny and warped from the pics posted last page.
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2015/04/19 04:25:52
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
They are a slight variation on normal GW plastic but, a close match. My Model Master's Liquid Cement fused it all together quite nicely. There will be gaps but, most are cleverly hidden to where you cannot see them. You may wish to support the floor itself with sprue or scrap bits btw, as it is slightly unstable. I should really post up the build, and trust me I'm working as fast as I can. I have the tower itself done, all I have to do is make a square bunker tube and throw some gravel down.
I'm OCD, sorry.
Edit: I took pictures of every stage but the gun for help to others.
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Forgive me not finishing it with gravel and whatnot but, basically I used up my sheet of plasticard. If there are holes/gaps, that is because I am breaking out the greenstuff and rivets tomorrow to clean it up. Especially around the pipes. The part where the entrance is not flush with the ground is because there will be a pile of gravel/hill there and I honestly ran out of styrene.
Below is my build process on this tower. It is a bit sloppy in parts, the kit not helping. I believe some kits were better as far as warping goes.
Spoiler:
Forgive the blur. I was excited. Basically, this is just the state sheet and assembly.
Unboxing after removing foam and bubble wrap.
The main assembly. It doesn't generally fit, you have to cut it to allow for the parts to ease in, which they're supposed to do normally. I thought I would have to greenstuff the gaps but, this part is hidden anyways.
Another issue is that when these bits were clipped off the sprue, they all have shared damage in the same spot. IE: on these pieces, it will always be on the right, right here. Makes for a little extra work though, your time was saved by them cutting it. Sucks along with the existence of mold lines.
This part is trickier as these mosaics have to be worked into your floor sections, which are generally put together two at a time, once the initial construction via one of the four mosaics is done. It's a bit fiddly, the pillbox fronts actually help guide you if you flip it upside-down. I used a piece of Resin to support the floor, as it has some erectile dysfunction going on.
Rinse and repeat four times. Remove lines and fill gaps while you go.
This is what I meant when I said to flip it over. The floors will sag a bit under their own weight. If you are using model cement instead of superglue, support the structure with some scrap sprue or styrene. It really solidifies the model, and heck, it's free. Worth the effort. It actually saved me a lot of frustration.
Apparently, I'm very stupid and I didn't take pictures of the next stage. However, you glue four annoying struts on basically. They're not the issue, it's getting this to lay flat and be level, and look even on top of them. I used a hair dryer, and model cement to level it and make everything fit correctly. I then used a pewter model and some of his friends to hold it down. (I almost typed "Hold down the fort." Figured it would be too cheesy.)
As of this stage, your gun parts should be separate and so too is the base. I glued mine to the base, I thought it was silly that the parts could even shift. I modified mine by turning it, so that the pillboxes would cover the hatches instead of the front.
Notice: My gun on the top is blu/white tacked together. No mold lines were removed, it is literally held together just to show the finished model. I may end up copying it or attempting to cast it (for a one time project, and not for sale. I don't really want to get flamed to hell, I actually feel pretty guilty about this but, since I cannot buy a third Plasma Obliterator to steal parts from, it makes it a bit harder. I also need to test how my mold kit works for large molds. I hope you don't think any less of me for doing that but, I'll be flat out honest with my intentions. ((It's for a giant land cruiser to display my minis on.))
Anyways. Then HMBC had to just write about the hatches, which I was aware of. However, since this is to be apart of a larger fortress, I figured I would make a bunker entrance. Curse you all. You can see the idea I had initially above. Here is how it turned out.
Honestly, I'd finish it and clean it up to where there are no gaps, and rivet the hell out of it but, this took forever and I am going to bed. Forgive me if I sound sour or enthused. I'm exhausted.
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Kinda glad I didn't order one of these seeing the quality, may have to make my own. I don't suppose anyone would care to post the dimensions for footprint, overall height and barrel height?
Been trying to decide if I should buy one of these for the last four days and still can't decide, not a cheap model by any means and hard to store too. The quality puts me off alittle too but I do really like the look and it'd be killer in planetstrike games and look great behind my Wall of Martyr's system.
Ah Decision, Decisions...
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Henry wrote: I remember when plasma was an ancient technology, the few remaining weapons being treasured. Now every monkey and his skull plastered tower has one.
How many do you expect to see on a single table at one time?
You do realize that every battle is a hypothetical event and that it might just represent a battle involving one (or more) of these rare weapons you speak of. It isnt like every guy on the table has a tower on a 1:1 basis.
When you start seeing nine or ten of them on the table at once I guess your old guy grumbling will start to make more sense...
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sockwithaticket wrote: Do they really want to be taking cover behind a pipeline full of promethium? Seems somewhat less than tactically astute.
"Want to" and "have no choice because its the only cover availible" are two different things.
A battlefield that represents a promethium refinery or similiar in which pipelines and piles of barrels might provide cover but might also explode makes for a cinematic and unpredictible conflict.
Besides, when has much of anything in 40K been "tactically astute"?
Also you dont have to use the Promethium pipeline special rules, you could (gasp) just use them as themed cover on a refinery/industrial board, etc. Crazy I know...
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What I can't imagine is A: There being a port small enough and positioned right for some guy, in the middle of combat, to run up to it and attach... what? A hose or tube of some kind? Where's that coming from? I don't see it lying around the pipes. I don't see it on a guardsman or space marine with a flamer.
This was definitely what I was getting at. The ridiculousness of their being all these convenienty placed ways for a guy with a flamethrower to walk up and turn it into a superflamethrower. That and the idea that flamer fuel (which is typically weaponized) is also just pumped around places as an industrial fuel, lol.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
This was definitely what I was getting at. The ridiculousness of their being all these convenienty placed ways for a guy with a flamethrower to walk up and turn it into a superflamethrower. That and the idea that flamer fuel (which is typically weaponized) is also just pumped around places as an industrial fuel, lol.
Well I can tell you guys don't live in the Imperium of Man. You should all know by now that everything in the Imperium is weaponized, how else are they meant to burn the heretic and cleanse the alien?
One flamer tank of promethean isn't going to do the job on its own.
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2015/04/19 17:35:52
Subject: Re:New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left.
2015/04/20 03:12:03
Subject: Re:New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
jullevi wrote: It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. That the reason this item is so limited is because Games Workshop is not satisfied with the quality.
2015/04/20 03:13:45
Subject: Re:New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
jullevi wrote: It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. That the reason this item is so limited is because Games Workshop is not satisfied with the quality.
I agree. The pipes were great quality. This tower? It could have been something great, like the bastion. It's not. It was god awful to assemble and if this is what the wall of martyrs is made of then feth ever buying one for me, I'm not doing it.
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I've seen an unboxing of the Wall of Martyrs. It looks like there's almost no assembly involved. Add that to the fact that we have larger more basic shapes, and I'm wondering how exactly they're of poor-medium quality.
2015/04/20 06:03:43
Subject: New terrain kits from GW. Updated with rules and pictures.
Only in the Imperium of Man would they not only decide to combine a small bunker with a massive installation of their most unstable and self-dangerous weapon technology, but also put the vents for its deadly overheating inside the bunker. And people question how the Tau have survived this long.
*devious laugh* Perhaps that is what I planned to begin with?
You can see the idea I had initially above. Here is how it turned out.
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