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Yay! A hard copy of the non-fluff portions of the Codex Assassins People can stop complaining now about it being digital only

Overall it looks good to me. Not sure I'll grab it but I might.

 Thairne wrote:
If anyone ever bought GW at retail, complaining about the price with this one... hypocrisy.
The content of the game is appropriate if you deduct the retail cost for the models... Heck, it's FREE if you deduct the cost of the models.

So if someone ever payed retail for something at GW, they can't think something is too expensive? Great logic.

Just comparing it to Space Hulk, you get a lot more with that for your money, better models, and you know the game is good.

 Thairne wrote:
If anyone ever bought GW at retail, complaining about the price with this one... hypocrisy.
The content of the game is appropriate if you deduct the retail cost for the models... Heck, it's FREE if you deduct the cost of the models.

That's my point, basically - based on what the assassins would cost by themselves, it's only poor value if you value the board game part extremely low, since it represents a very small proportion of the overall cost.


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
If anyone ever bought GW at retail, complaining about the price with this one... hypocrisy.
The content of the game is appropriate if you deduct the retail cost for the models... Heck, it's FREE if you deduct the cost of the models.

So if someone ever payed retail for something at GW, they can't think something is too expensive? Great logic.

Just comparing it to Space Hulk, you get a lot more with that for your money, better models, and you know the game is good.

The Space Hulk models aren't even game legal unless you buy bases to stick 'em all on and get some extra blood angel terminators to turn those into legal squads. Food for thought.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
If anyone ever bought GW at retail, complaining about the price with this one... hypocrisy.
The content of the game is appropriate if you deduct the retail cost for the models... Heck, it's FREE if you deduct the cost of the models.

That's my point, basically - based on what the assassins would cost by themselves, it's only poor value if you value the board game part extremely low, since it represents a very small proportion of the overall cost.

The problem is whether you consider the retail price of those models good to begin with and whether you feel they should be discounted when buying a bundle.

Space Hulk here in Australia was cheaper than buying 2 boxes of Terminators and 20 Genestealers.... except Terminators and Genestealers are horribly overpriced in Australia so really Space Hulk was too highly priced and it didn't sell well over here (I know a store that still has a couple of copies lying around).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The problem is whether you consider the retail price of those models good to begin with and whether you feel they should be discounted when buying a bundle.

But then we're just on "GW are too expensive"...

 Thairne wrote:
If anyone ever bought GW at retail, complaining about the price with this one... hypocrisy.
The content of the game is appropriate if you deduct the retail cost for the models... Heck, it's FREE if you deduct the cost of the models.

That only is the case if someone posts a complaint after buying one of each of the old metal assassins, a chaos terminator, a lot of cultists off of ebay, and a three pack of CSM. If you've got an existing 40k army and something breaks or you need another model, you don't really have a choice if you want to support your local store. That also doesn't mean that you agree with GW pricing or that you instantly give away your right to complain about it.

I think the comparison between Space Hulk and this game shows where it is lacking.

I want to like this game. It's right up my alley but I don't know how I feel about the execution.

I'll probably pick it up as I'm interested in the premise. I'm hoping the rules are broad enough to perhaps offer scope for alternating enemies with reasonable home brew rules.

It's a shame it's not cheaper. Like £50 would be the max price point I'd value this at compared to Space Hulk

Space Hulk clearly spoiled you guys.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yay! A hard copy of the non-fluff portions of the Codex Assassins People can stop complaining now about it being digital only

A moment ruined when you complained about complaining on the internet

 monders wrote:

Haljin wrote:

 monders wrote:

Spoiler:

ImAGeek wrote:This is just making me wish I'd bought Space Hulk.

Me too. What's the opposite of buyers remorse?!

 pretre wrote:

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Anyone had a chance to take a peek at the rules (better pics spoilered/quoted above) and see if they're different and therefore replace the dataslate from last year?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yay! A hard copy of the non-fluff portions of the Codex Assassins People can stop complaining now about it being digital only

Overall it looks good to me. Not sure I'll grab it but I might.

Yeah, I'll probably pick up a WD exactly for that.

Does the WD include rules for how to incorporate assassins into your army besides the formation? Or do you need to go unbound to just tack a single vindicare onto your list?

Man I like all but the vindicare. man his hands and that rifle are WAY to big and his legs are so stunty. I own both variants of the metal one, but it would have been nice to get a good plastic version for away trips.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Man I like all but the vindicare. man his hands and that rifle are WAY to big and his legs are so stunty. I own both variants of the metal one, but it would have been nice to get a good plastic version for away trips.

Man, you're right - that left hand in particular is massive. That and the massive pony tail of doom on the callidus are pretty bad.

The Culexus is my favourite.

I really like Eve just running sideways up a wall.

Clip that ponytail off and the Callidus is much better.

still looks good to me.

Well with latest 40k releases its good that GW fumbles these side projects because it would be very expensive to get it all.

Looking at zombicides and spacehulk etc this box falls really short on content.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Well with latest 40k releases its good that GW fumbles these side projects because it would be very expensive to get it all.

Looking at zombicides and spacehulk etc this box falls really short on content.

You're just not looking at it from the perspective of the rare unipegacorn player who wants to buy a bunch of previously mutually exclusive and disparate minis all exactly at the same time and the discount you would potentially be getting. If you fall in that 0.0001% of players, it's a steal!

 SJM wrote:
Clip that ponytail off and the Callidus is much better.

I plan to replace it with a Dark Eldar wych's topknot/plait


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 warboss wrote:
If you fall in that 0.0001% of players, it's a steal!

Yawn

 Nevelon wrote:
Does the WD include rules for how to incorporate assassins into your army besides the formation? Or do you need to go unbound to just tack a single vindicare onto your list?

Don't know if it's in WD, but the Assassins use a unique Detachment, which is simply 1 Assassin. You can take multiples of this Detachment, but no more than one of each Assassin. There is also a formation for bringing all 4 and getting some extra rules, which is definitely in the WD.

I don't think Space Hulk spoiled me.

All the other big ticket games (and by big ticket, I mean more than $60+ games) that feature piles of miniatures spoiled me.

Shadows of Brimstone, Myth, Descent, Zombicide, Level 7, Super Dungeon Explore... all offer piles of figures, lots of content, opportunities to add my own personal rules to the game, and still come in at a lower price point than GW's offerings.

Are they on the same level of quality as GW's board games? A lot are up to par, maybe not across the board completely, but definitely in certain aspects, be it rules, game piece quality, expandability, figures even (this is more up to personal taste more than anything).

I just feel like GW isn't trying to compete with what modern mini boardgames are offering these days. If they aren't trying to market this to board gamers though (which all the previous games I mentioned seemed to want to aim for), what's the point of making this a board game? Do 40k players want a board game instead of just seeing new figure releases?

I think board gamers that go in for mini heavy games will not be that enticed by this. Not many tiles, not many enemy options... it does have the cooop rules going for it, and GW piece quality has always been top notch. Is that a big enough draw though?

I still hope to be won over by this (and would be happy to have a Genestealer Cult expansion some day really make sure I get this.)

 ImAGeek wrote:
This is just making me wish I'd bought Space Hulk.

I wish you and 20 other guys would buy it too!

There's a bit of a glut of them f or some retailers. I brought in a couple dozen of the second wave but still had the bulk of them after a year. Put them on sale at the store and dumped a few online. It's not hard to get a copy right now.
I think the original number by GW was probably 98% market saturation based on the slowness of the next wave a couple of years later.

That's also making me a bit leery about bringing in a lot of this game. Limited and one time only don't help if it doesnt sell. But the game does look good after reading the WD preview.

Cheers pretre for getting the english pics up.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Cheers pretre for getting the english pics up.

I just img linked the one from the post earlier.

I love that Culexus and Vindicare! Seriously tempted to pick up this game set, even though I have no real intention of fielding Assassins in my army.

 mikhaila wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
This is just making me wish I'd bought Space Hulk.

I wish you and 20 other guys would buy it too!

There's a bit of a glut of them f or some retailers. I brought in a couple dozen of the second wave but still had the bulk of them after a year. Put them on sale at the store and dumped a few online. It's not hard to get a copy right now.
I think the original number by GW was probably 98% market saturation based on the slowness of the next wave a couple of years later.

That's also making me a bit leery about bringing in a lot of this game. Limited and one time only don't help if it doesnt sell. But the game does look good after reading the WD preview.

I'm shocked at that! I still don't own SH due to GW timing and unwillingness to pay £200 on ebay :(

 Davylove21 wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
This is just making me wish I'd bought Space Hulk.

I wish you and 20 other guys would buy it too!

There's a bit of a glut of them f or some retailers. I brought in a couple dozen of the second wave but still had the bulk of them after a year. Put them on sale at the store and dumped a few online. It's not hard to get a copy right now.
I think the original number by GW was probably 98% market saturation based on the slowness of the next wave a couple of years later.

That's also making me a bit leery about bringing in a lot of this game. Limited and one time only don't help if it doesnt sell. But the game does look good after reading the WD preview.

I'm shocked at that! I still don't own SH due to GW timing and unwillingness to pay £200 on ebay :(

MAYBE prices are way more in the UK (which would shock me for a GW product) but here on eBay I can pick it up for around $105 shipped (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-Space-Hulk-A-/371309853934?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5673cabcee), and actually that listing ships internationally too
If you really want it you should check again.