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 BrotherGecko wrote:
Exactly right now people are building lists that will cost them hundreds of dollars to try an keep up with the Eldar. Or they will buy Eldar to be on the level.

Going by Necrons and now Eldar if Tau and Space Marines go over the top then it will be confirmed. GW will have learned the formula. They will have created a culture that requires people to perpetually spend money or fall behind the curve. An those that get hooked will have to defend the habit in order to justify the expense.

Lol .... :(

Well I believe its said somewhere that GW has said their first priority is models first then rules (I am unsure if this is true or not).

If it is then they are definitely experiencing noteworthy success I would imagine.

Think im going to have to get an Eldar army now, all this crying is enjoyable to watch.

 gmaleron wrote:
Think im going to have to get an Eldar army now, all this crying is enjoyable to watch.

Good. Let the cheese flow through you. Destroy everyone as ruthlessly as possible. No mercy.

I'm just examining myself and my recent but now ultimately futile attempt bringing my Necrons up with their new book. I didn't need anything from book but I still spent $200 on new stuff. I've never done that. But 40k seems to be inspiring that lately. It used to be about the collection but now it looks like need.

Adapt is code for a few hundred bucks and hours. Yet that is the defense.

Look at the the rumors for WFB 9th. Its possible it will invalidate hundreds of peoples dollars. An likely people will just spend a ton to "adapt" insread of just walking away.

 gmaleron wrote:
Think im going to have to get an Eldar army now, all this crying is enjoyable to watch.

Hey man you don't have to rationalize it to me. Do what you do and go wild.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm just examining myself and my recent but now ultimately futile attempt bringing my Necrons up with their new book. I didn't need anything from book but I still spent $200 on new stuff. I've never done that. But 40k seems to be inspiring that lately. It used to be about the collection but now it looks like need.

Adapt is code for a few hundred bucks and hours. Yet that is the defense.

Look at the the rumors for WFB 9th. Its possible it will invalidate hundreds of peoples dollars. An likely people will just spend a ton to "adapt" instead of just walking away.

 Gamgee wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:
Think im going to have to get an Eldar army now, all this crying is enjoyable to watch.

Hey man you don't have to rationalize it to me. Do what you do and go wild.

Indeed. It feels like so much of an investment to let it all go. Even I considered quitting, but I need to at least try to do something. If not it would feel like an even greater waste.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm just examining myself and my recent but now ultimately futile attempt bringing my Necrons up with their new book. I didn't need anything from book but I still spent $200 on new stuff. I've never done that. But 40k seems to be inspiring that lately. It used to be about the collection but now it looks like need.

Adapt is code for a few hundred bucks and hours. Yet that is the defense.

Look at the the rumors for WFB 9th. Its possible it will invalidate hundreds of peoples dollars. An likely people will just spend a ton to "adapt" insread of just walking away.

 gmaleron wrote:
Think im going to have to get an Eldar army now, all this crying is enjoyable to watch.

Hey man you don't have to rationalize it to me. Do what you do and go wild.

There's been some talk too regarding this subject. In the end this bit isn't actually wrong towards customers. Armies will get invalidated, and in the end there is nothing wrong with that even if we don't like it. Expecting ones army to stay competitive forever is futile, one will need to update it or change it. This is the case with many other games and products in general.

Yeah, it's not the case with Warmachine yet, before someone brings that up again. Let's see in 10 years, your double Stormwall list will be invalidated by then.

Some turn over is healthy. A 10 year list is pretty nice you have to admit lol. But to flop the whole meta every other month isn't healthy for a game that runs hundreds of dollars. It is a pay to win system.

I'm simply just going to stop spending money. Even tried to make an excuse to just go with 30k. But as soon as GW allows aliens it will be ruined so I'm just gonna stop now.

That an voice my opinion.

Plus some secret plugging of ther games lol.

I think at this point its going to go down like this

Eldar: Hey want to play a game?
Lesser Being: Sure what faction?
Eldar: Eldar
Lesser Being: Let me see your units.
Eldar: Sure
-if list includes Wraith units, bikes, or Seer council. Auto-deny
-if list includes foot-slogging infantry. Consider the match
-if list includes Striking Scorpions and Banshees. Congratulations you found the cool Eldar player.

I like the idea of this. Kind of like what our Constitution was founded on. If the people don't find things are being ran correctly, we make a stand for change.

But seriously, me and my friend will probably record a batrep tomorrow with his Eldar as a last hurrah with the 6th edition codex, and then I'll probably never play them again.

To be honest, if I found a player supporting this motion in full force. I wouldnt play with them,

in Warhammer Fantasy Battle,
in Warmachine,
in Infinity,
in Dystopian Wars or Firestorm Armada,
in Star Trek Attack Wing, X-Wing, or Star Wars Armada,
in Magic the Gathering,
or even in the multitudes of Pen and Papers.

Why? Simple. We dont need toxic players. Encouraging the ruination of others ability to enjoy the game is stuff we do not need to encourage, in any system, for any reason.

the funny thing is one little whiny thread is going to change fak all. And thats a guarantee. These threads popped up when tau were released, last eldar release, necron release. And on and on it will go.

Easier thing for people to do i stop acting like children stamping their feet cos they wanted an ice cream. You have the option to refuse to play anyone bringing some cheesey waac list to a friendly. No one is putting guns to heads. Straight up trying to get people to outright ban the codex not only wont happen to a scale that ammounts to anything, it'll make ya look a prat.


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 krodarklorr wrote:
I like the idea of this. Kind of like what our Constitution was founded on. If the people don't find things are being ran correctly, we make a stand for change.

But seriously, me and my friend will probably record a batrep tomorrow with his Eldar as a last hurrah with the 6th edition codex, and then I'll probably never play them again.

Why quit playing them?
Its your option to build a list where you press the IWIN button. If you like to build those lists anyways this codex is a wet dream. If you dont. Well dont spam cheesed units. U dont HAVE to spam Jetbikes with scatter lasers just because you can. You dont have to take 3 WK. You dont have to spam wraith guard with D weapons. Be part of the solution and show people the Codex is playable and you will get games with it, if you decide to play in the good spirit of the game.

Im amazed to the lengt some people goes to make their own whining voices heard. Dont like playing Eldar? Then dont play them, plain and simple. But apparently someone finds joy in this sort of toxic behaviour, and frankly I am glad I dont have the OP or any of his comrades in my gaming circle

 Lutharr101 wrote:


Why quit playing them?
Its your option to build a list where you press the IWIN button. If you like to build those lists anyways this codex is a wet dream. If you dont. Well dont spam cheesed units. U dont HAVE to spam Jetbikes with scatter lasers just because you can. You dont have to take 3 WK. You dont have to spam wraith guard with D weapons. Be part of the solution and show people the Codex is playable and you will get games with it, if you decide to play in the good spirit of the game.

Again, as I've mentioned in other threads (As there's like, 10 about this topic right now), it's not really the power level itself (though it is absurd), but to me, its the fact that Eldar did not need these toys. At all. They already had an answer to most things that were better than other codexes. And they got even more stuff. Even in a casual game, I don't see an Ork player or a Dark Eldar player fairing well against Eldar. Even their casual lists will be brutal. I feel sorry for Eldar players, I really do. But feeling like you can't bring a ton of units in your book because you won't get games is not a good thing. Ever. For anyone.

The easiest solution for players and tourneys is to ignore 7-th ed codex and just stick to 6-th. No drama and eldar players still got to use their models without making anyone more angry than ususal.

I take the personal stance of reviewing my opponents list, and making my decision then. Not just against Eldar, but any army. If someone is bringing almost all fliers, bringing an armor wall, or something that my list is incapable of dealing with effectively, or I may find to be unfun, I do two things:

1.) As if they have the models with them to revise their list
2.) If 1 is not an option, I politely decline the game.

A blanket statement isn't the answer. While the new dex might be over the top (From what has been seen thus far), we cannot instantly mark every Eldar player as 'that guy' and thus ban them before even giving them a chance.

Not every player enjoys breaking the game.

I refuse to play over cheesey spam lists anyway, the only thing that changes is that there will be more Eldar lists that are BS.

Now to be fair it seems like the Eldar Codex could have as much potential for a fair list as it does a cheese list.

Assuming for a moment you aren't dropping the cheddar block on the table what do we know about the other codex options that aren't the Scatter Lasers cranking out shots "Loota" Style or the D-Weapon proliferation ?

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now to be fair it seems like the Eldar Codex could have as much potential for a fair list as it does a cheese list.

Assuming for a moment you aren't dropping the cheddar block on the table what do we know about the other codex options that aren't the Scatter Lasers cranking out shots "Loota" Style or the D-Weapon proliferation ?

Infantry that always move 6" when they run and shoot, and have massed BS 5 everywhere. Deep Striking Falcons with Fire Dragons in them. Gakking out Psychic powers like nothing.

 krodarklorr wrote:

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now to be fair it seems like the Eldar Codex could have as much potential for a fair list as it does a cheese list.

Assuming for a moment you aren't dropping the cheddar block on the table what do we know about the other codex options that aren't the Scatter Lasers cranking out shots "Loota" Style or the D-Weapon proliferation ?

Infantry that always move 6" when they run and shoot, and have massed BS 5 everywhere. Deep Striking Falcons with Fire Dragons in them. Gakking out Psychic powers like nothing.

Has any of that seen a points cost increase ?

The Imperial Answer wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now to be fair it seems like the Eldar Codex could have as much potential for a fair list as it does a cheese list.

Assuming for a moment you aren't dropping the cheddar block on the table what do we know about the other codex options that aren't the Scatter Lasers cranking out shots "Loota" Style or the D-Weapon proliferation ?

Infantry that always move 6" when they run and shoot, and have massed BS 5 everywhere. Deep Striking Falcons with Fire Dragons in them. Gakking out Psychic powers like nothing.

Has any of that seen a points cost increase ?

No, those are just the formation benefits of their detachment.

 krodarklorr wrote:

The Imperial Answer wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now to be fair it seems like the Eldar Codex could have as much potential for a fair list as it does a cheese list.

Assuming for a moment you aren't dropping the cheddar block on the table what do we know about the other codex options that aren't the Scatter Lasers cranking out shots "Loota" Style or the D-Weapon proliferation ?

Infantry that always move 6" when they run and shoot, and have massed BS 5 everywhere. Deep Striking Falcons with Fire Dragons in them. Gakking out Psychic powers like nothing.

Has any of that seen a points cost increase ?

No, those are just the formation benefits of their detachment.

Well I can see they certainly pulled out any and all stops with this codex release. It makes me wonder what the formations will be like now.

lol gw loves to troll the nerds. theyre probably reading this right now and laughing about it while saying "whatever, you'll still buy it"

kb305 wrote:
lol gw loves to troll the nerds. theyre probably reading this right now and laughing about it while saying "whatever, you'll still buy it"

When your post shows your age.
NO, no company would do this.

 Shigematsu wrote:
To be honest, if I found a player supporting this motion in full force. I wouldnt play with them,

in Warhammer Fantasy Battle,
in Warmachine,
in Infinity,
in Dystopian Wars or Firestorm Armada,
in Star Trek Attack Wing, X-Wing, or Star Wars Armada,
in Magic the Gathering,
or even in the multitudes of Pen and Papers.

Why? Simple. We dont need toxic players. Encouraging the ruination of others ability to enjoy the game is stuff we do not need to encourage, in any system, for any reason.

Running a cheese list and being a WAAC player in friendly games because you're an over competitive player is toxic. Blindly following everything and being fine with it isn't actually a good thing. From what I've read this is worse even than bringing two WS to a 600pt game.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
We just need to face it. 40k has evolved into an addiction. Just look at the responses to any complaints legitimate or otherwise are immediately met with an aggressive response to defend the habit.

I agree! There seem to be so many people on here who have come out of the woodwork to insult and disparage those of us who have publically stated that the bikes are obviously broken. We have a different opinion to them so all they can do is insult in return. Now I'm not saying it's all of them, but there are a hell of a lot who have led and finished with insults with nothing in between, THEN have the audacity to claim we are not respecting them.

Edit: I understand if people are annoyed at those who suggest a straight eldar ban. But im talking about people who are insulting people just for the fact they said something was broken.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:

 Shigematsu wrote:
To be honest, if I found a player supporting this motion in full force. I wouldnt play with them,

in Warhammer Fantasy Battle,
in Warmachine,
in Infinity,
in Dystopian Wars or Firestorm Armada,
in Star Trek Attack Wing, X-Wing, or Star Wars Armada,
in Magic the Gathering,
or even in the multitudes of Pen and Papers.

Why? Simple. We dont need toxic players. Encouraging the ruination of others ability to enjoy the game is stuff we do not need to encourage, in any system, for any reason.

Running a cheese list and being a WAAC player in friendly games because you're an over competitive player is toxic. Blindly following everything and being fine with it isn't actually a good thing. From what I've read this is worse even than bringing two WS to a 600pt game.

Neither of which you said apply to me. I don't disagree with you on the first point, we dont need WAACs either. This hobby is supposed to be about great shared experiences and having fun with your friends. Encouraging dickery is even worse than the WAACers since at least the WAACer is limited to themselves.

The issue is that even without being WAAC it becomes harder to have a fun fluffy game with equal prospects for both sides when one codex is so far above another. CSM for example would have to take their version of a step below utter cheese to be equal with an average eldar dex.

Btw I do not advocate a straight eldar ban either.

Let me know how a ban on Eldar players works out. I doubt you will get very far and GW certainly won't give a damn. I have heard all the toys come out of the cot before. Whether its Necrons, Demons, Tau, Blood Angels... whatever. Its still just plastic spacemen war dollies. The game was never designed to be an even competitive field, not even close no matter how much people attempt to balance power levels in codexes.
Its a beer and pretzels game played by Science Fiction nerds and modellers who for some perverse reason tried to make it competitive. Who would think they can make every codex "equal" its never gonna happen wait a few months and something else will turn up.

Just because you can put an optimised army on the table doesn't mean you should. If people can't figure that out then don't play them. That part of the social contract has existed forever and is still valid. Its got nothing to do with Eldar or Necrons or whatever.

Downvote all Eldar videos on their YouTube channel. That'll show em.

Chad Warden wrote:
Downvote all Eldar videos on their YouTube channel. That'll show em.

It'll be just as effective as boycotts and bans, at least.