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£50 for preorder and the Chaos Warrior Pack, 6 months+ out from release.

Steam is steaming.

£50 for a fething PC game!?!?

When did that start happening?

Having a game 6 months out on preorder... made me wonder why?

With so many people torrenting or stealing games because they feel like sticking it to "the man" (whichever straw man they feel like sticking), it's caused companies to push their preorders out farther in an attempt to capture as much revenue as possible before it hits the shelves. Once it's been released then it's pretty much up for free that same day, so this is a direct result that we'll see more often.

Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

It's completely ridiculous to think that people stealing has nothing to do with this behavior.

May Have been asked (may have missed it in my skimming), but is thes a WHF game (elves highelves ect) or are they launching as a AOS factions game ( Basicly without mods will i get to play as the sigmarites) .

You get:

Empire
Orks & Goblins
Dwarves
Vampire Counts
Chaos (if you pre-order then they're free)

 TedNugent wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And yet, Alien Isolation was a solid PC release that was a complete experience where nothing of the main story was cut or locked away behind pay walls.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/324020/

About This Content
Buy the Alien: Isolation Season Pass and get five add on packs to download. All Season Pass content is now available. Alien: Isolation game required; sold separately.

Content included

Alien: Isolation - Corporate Lockdown

Alien: Isolation - Trauma

Alien: Isolation - Safe Haven

Alien: Isolation - Lost Contact

Alien: Isolation - The Trigger

Are we being obnoxious or stupid just for the sake of it? I fething said that the singleplayer experience is a complete one, the only thing these pieces of DLC add are challenge modes, not adding anything else to the singleplayer story.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

What is this 'on the disc' nonsense? When was the last time anyone purchased a PC game on a disc

 mazik765 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

What is this 'on the disc' nonsense? When was the last time anyone purchased a PC game on a disc

Sometimes buying a physical copy can net you extras, though this varies from store to store.

 mazik765 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

What is this 'on the disc' nonsense? When was the last time anyone purchased a PC game on a disc

I did a couple of weeks ago

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 mazik765 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

What is this 'on the disc' nonsense? When was the last time anyone purchased a PC game on a disc

I did a couple of weeks ago

You should check out this cool new website: http://store.steampowered.com/

I hear it's pretty popular

 Moopy wrote:
It's completely ridiculous to think that people stealing has nothing to do with this behavior.

It's completely ridiculous to excuse this behavior in any way. All this does is make people pay more for something that's already included in the finished product, and push more people into piracy.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
It's completely ridiculous to think that people stealing has nothing to do with this behavior.

It's completely ridiculous to excuse this behavior in any way. All this does is make people pay more for something that's already included in the finished product, and push more people into piracy.

You two are actually agreeing...

NO. STOP.

There is no condoning theft. Doesn't matter if you "Feel" that the product costs too much, that's not an excuse to take it. Try doing that with a nice car and see where that lands you. Oh yea, jail.

If you don't want to pay that much, you are not entitled to take it. The idea that people can't take whatever they want seems to magically foreign to them.

Prices do NOT push people into piracy- this is a non essential luxury item. People's greed does that, and the inability to wait until it goes on sale or they save up for it.

THE END.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
It's completely ridiculous to think that people stealing has nothing to do with this behavior.

It's completely ridiculous to excuse this behavior in any way. All this does is make people pay more for something that's already included in the finished product, and push more people into piracy.

Video games are not a necessity. You are free to disagree with a companies policies or practices and not buy their products. But to pretend like stealing their product is some kind of righteous protest is absurd. The company released a product, you have a myriad of avenues to acquire information about that product, and decide if it's worth your hard earned money. You don't get to say "that company makes a really good product, but I don't like paying for things so I'm going to yell about their [totally legal] business practices and steal it instead".

Well apparently you do because people are doing it......

My point is that stealing is bad

 mazik765 wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
It's completely ridiculous to think that people stealing has nothing to do with this behavior.

It's completely ridiculous to excuse this behavior in any way. All this does is make people pay more for something that's already included in the finished product, and push more people into piracy.

Video games are not a necessity. You are free to disagree with a companies policies or practices and not buy their products. But to pretend like stealing their product is some kind of righteous protest is absurd. The company released a product, you have a myriad of avenues to acquire information about that product, and decide if it's worth your hard earned money. You don't get to say "that company makes a really good product, but I don't like paying for things so I'm going to yell about their [totally legal] business practices and steal it instead".

Well apparently you do because people are doing it......

My point is that stealing is bad

Yep, and that point goes both ways, really

But piracy isn't stealing...

Is piracy really worse than the games designers. They both do the same thing. Joke either way

 Motograter wrote:
Is piracy really worse than the games designers. They both do the same thing. Joke either way

Yes it is. Trivializing theft is part of the problem because you're convincing yourself you're not in the wrong or somehow "the bad men" deserve what's coming to them.

They created a game to play for fun. The game is expensive. The game is not essential to living.
Others steal that game and offer nothing but gloating and bloated self indulgence.

There is nothing similar.

Oh can we pretty please not derail this thread with a piracy debate.

It is disappointing that Chaos is going to be a a preorder bonus. $50 to $60 for a new release AAA PC game has been standard for a while though, nothing new there.

As with all games I'll be waiting until closer to release to decide what I'll be doing.

 Moopy wrote:
NO. STOP.

There is no condoning theft. Doesn't matter if you "Feel" that the product costs too much, that's not an excuse to take it. Try doing that with a nice car and see where that lands you. Oh yea, jail.

Whilst I agree with your point, I do wish people would stop using this argument. Pirating a game is not legally the same as stealing a car - the important difference is that if you steal a game you have deprived the company of something they have built.

A far more accurate analogy would be seeing a car that you like and going out and building an exact replica of the car yourself, this is copyright infringement - taking a car is theft and when people us the 'go steal a car' argument it actually just makes their argument less valid.

Like I say, fully agree with you that piracy is wrong and people shouldn't do it - but lets call a spade a spade and not try to make it into something worse than it actually is.

BACK ON TOPIC IN HERE PLEASE - THANKS!

It seems like its a bit overpriced but then again most of the top PC titles always are initially.
Guess I will be waiting for a steam sale before I pick it up.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

The total war discs have just been the steam downloader and no game included on them for quite a while now, they have required an internet to play for a while now too because of the online DRM.

 Rayvon wrote:
It seems like its a bit overpriced but then again most of the top PC titles always are initially.
Guess I will be waiting for a steam sale before I pick it up.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ridiculous. The race is already in the game and on the disc, you just got to pre-order or buy a Day 1 DLC to be able to play it.

No wonder people pirate things.

The total war discs have just been the steam downloader and no game included on them for quite a while now, they have required an internet to play for a while now too because of the online DRM.

This pissed me off no end when I bought Mortal Kombat X. Bought the disc thinking I'd not have to download it and I get hit with a 36GB download which takes 3 days on my gak internet connection to get.

 Alpharius wrote:
BACK ON TOPIC IN HERE PLEASE - THANKS!

SERIOUSLY.

They really are dragging it out now, do we really need to be kept informed every time they design a unit ?

 Rayvon wrote:
They really are dragging it out now, do we really need to be kept informed every time they design a unit ?

I actually quite enjoy the videos.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
BACK ON TOPIC IN HERE PLEASE - THANKS!

SERIOUSLY.

Sorry :(

On topic: I'm very excited to hear them talk about the different campaigns and how they will function differently. I loved Shogun 2 but the different clans were pretty minor and they play with the same units. If i can get an excellent total war game with factions that play differently? Sign me up!

 mazik765 wrote:
If i can get an excellent total war game with factions that play differently? Sign me up!

Attlla had that, I personally thought it was excellent.

I'd imagine that some of the new mechanics in Attila will translate over, much like Total War: Napoleon introduced some mechanics that made it into Shogun 2.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
They really are dragging it out now, do we really need to be kept informed every time they design a unit ?

I actually quite enjoy the videos.

Me too, but I'd still like there to be at least some surprises. I'd like to see more of the mechanics of economy and diplomacy however, units less so.

As for the price ... I'll be waiting for a steam sale in a year or so's time, I don't know about Attila but Rome had a pretty buggy release, I'm not paying money for a pre-order just to have games released where they have skimped on the testing phase and passed that off on to the customers, bonus content or not.