Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Conan did you forget Eldar use psychic powers?
And wraithknights trash knights and cost less...
Not only that, but you're saying, hey, taken individually single broken units in the Eldar army aren't as broken as the 1 broken thing in 1 other codex... But they have a codex full of things most of us would die for. Changes we heard would happen to stormboys to make them viable were given to Eldar... Special rules we had last codex with our bikes were given to everyone, then other armies got it buffed...

Look I'm with you Eldar players on the fact that any faction would love the codex treatment you just got. I would be tremendously happy were orks to be as good. What sucks the most is the codex easiest to randomly pick units from blindfolded and win a game, got even better. That's super not cool.

Give sisters this codex and new awesome plastic models. Give dark angels a good codex, chaos SM, tyrannids... Just make it so anyone could run the units they think are cool, and be able to be competitive and everyone would be happy. But they don't understand balance, rules writing, editing, or care about their customer base. Yet somehow we allow it because the other options don't have the same feel.

Before I get a bunch of statements, yes flyrrants are boss and some builds can be made competitive from those codices by use of a single model, but I am saying, like with craftworld Eldar, all of our codices should be able to have all of our units be good-awesome, not 1 be broken and the rest unusable.

To head of the next group, yes some codices are better across the board than others and don't have 1 broken unit and several useless ones. Like orks, we're pretty good across the board, same with Necron and SM... Others... Not so much.

Sent from my phone unedited. Go ahead and poke at magnetic when my phone incorrectly places what I Swype in.

It was only in fun.

Frat... let me help you out here. You are wasting your time. You won't convince anyone that's not already convinced. I have been told that math-hammer makes no difference. I have been told that the winningest army at the majors is just because smarter players play them. That point costs are truely representative of the underlying power (a la Wraithknight vs Morkanaut) etc. Brother, go to painting and modeling. Just forget about it. It's like telling a crazy person that the tinfoil hat isn't doing them any good or that those things behind airplanes is water vapor... They will never believe you despite how impenetrable your logic is.

FratHammer wrote:

Look I'm with you Eldar players on the fact that any faction would love the codex treatment you just got.

...no, thanks. I still want to have some games with the models that i like without any need for an hour-like negotiation on what i'm not supposed to bring from the stuff i own in a friendly game or what i must homerule to be nerfed to not break the game.

Kooai... I'd all our codices were the same way it wouldn't be over powered... That's the whole point...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
To elaborate and explain myself further, what I mean by the treatment the Eldar book got is that it's a book as large as the sm book, with no weak useless units, with lots of fluff and mechanics made to match their fluff. If everyone had a codex like this we'd all be fair, even, fluffy versions of our armies. No one would complain. Problem is, gw it's not likely to care about any codex this much besides SM who should be similarly unbalanced.

FratHammer wrote:
No one would complain.

There is where you're wrong. Someone will ALWAYS complain, even if everything were completely fair and balanced, someone would make the argument that it wasn't, or complain that 100% balance made the game boring.

Settled on name for my Craftworld: Queribundica (from 'Queribundus'). Enjoy.

That is your opinion of others leaking all over us again. Try to contain yourself Betrayer.



Edited: You know...i don't even pass over the t for "is" or "us"... So why do you do this Swype!?

IMHO, the wraithknight should have been a 0-1 choice, and another 100 points, and they should have buffed wraithlords somehow (maybe access to shimmershield and D-weapons?).

I love the model so much... but he's just kinda pants :(

BTW, look at the formation rules for the aspect and dire avenger shrines... the BS bonus applies to all *models* in the formation, so if you take Wave Serpents, they are BS5...

roflcopters.

I find that the Wraithlord is actually a pretty hilarious indication of how much power creep there has been in 40K over the last few years. Back int he 4th-5th ed codex WL was a great unit, the strongest and toughest MC in the game, and a great unit to through on the table because of the threat he represented.

Then the 6th ed codex came out, which nerfed him a little but drastically reduced his points, and yet still he became a unit that isn't even close to competitive any more. And 7th ed just made that gap greater. This unit that basically hasn't changed except to be made cheaper, went from one of the scariest units in the game to an afterthought that is only taken when a formation demands his presence.

chanceafs wrote:
This unit that basically hasn't changed except to be made cheaper,

Strength changed from 10 to 8.

Points cost is at most expensive it's ever been, not cheaper.

Game meta has changed from assault to shooting. Shooting Wraithlords is easy, assaulting near them was bad news.

I think eldar are perfectly fine but as much as I want to say they're broken, there definitely needs to be an answer or something to compete with their intensity that their codex seems to be able to put out.

I wanted to use a unit or 2 of Wraiths with axes, but I will not buy a Wraithknight to use with them.
I'm not happy :(
No matter how many LoW can fit in there, I'll only ever use the Avatar.

As for bikes, 1 heavy per 3 bikes.

Maybe I'm crippling myself for no real reason, but these seem to be the big 2 complaints. Those and S D. Another rule I'll try to avoid.

Can I make a cheesy list with these self-imposed limits? Almost certainly.
Will people play against them? We'll have to see...

Can I make a cheesy list with these self-imposed limits? Almost certainly.

With absolute certainty you can't. If you're not using WKs, strength D, and only use 1 heavy per 3 bikes, you're playing a codex that is undeniably much less powerful than the Eldar from the previous edition. It would be nowhere close to a tier 1 army, and light years away from a 'cheesy' one.

Serpents were nerfed, and the previous codex lists relied on a couple WKs to do a lot of heavy lifting. In addition armies other than Eldar got stronger or already had an answer to them.

While not cheese, even without those units, most Eldar armies will be stronger with the new dex than the old dex.

My 1500pt Swordwind uses none of them, and is now 1407. And most units in it got *better*.

That said, I think CAD-based armies that avoid the above will be reasonable. Footdar is still MEQ prices for T3 on foot.