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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 15:18:19
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I honestly don't know.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 15:34:32
Subject: Re:Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Hallowed Canoness
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Grey Templar wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote: Grey Templar wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:
Because marriage is not about individuals, but couples. Marriage provides tangible legal benefits to couples.
Yes, and everyone is perfectly equal in that. Any man can marry any women, and any women can marry any man, to form a couple.
How is that not perfectly equitable?
Did you not read what I wrote, or are you being willfully ignorant?. Because your argument is what it best described as "insane troll logic".
I read what you wrote.
Yes, the government gives benefits to couples. And everyone has an equal chance to be a couple. Men can marry women, and women can marry men. Again, what isn't equitable about that?
Okay, for the purpose of answering your question, imagine that Splendid McAwesome is an incredibly awesome man that everyone wants to marry.
Testosterone McBeard, who is male, cannot marry Splendid McAwesome.
But Estrogen McBoobs, who is female, can marry Splendid McAwesome.
How is this being equal?
But that is not all there is. Now consider Perfect McAwesome (no relation), who is a woman.
Testosterone McBeard, who is male, can marry Perfect McAwesome.
But Estrogen McBoobs, who is female, cannot marry Perfect McAwesome.
Yet more inequality!
Sithrak be praised, hate is a sacred institution too. Thou shalt not defile it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 16:10:54
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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It absolutely is. That's why the 1st amendment protects many forms of hate as long as they're not considered "fighting words" or cause "imminent harm."
See the ruling in favor of Westboro as the most recent substantiation of that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 16:14:32
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Hallowed Canoness
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But hating in non Sithrak-approved ways should be illegal, because hate is sacred to the cult of Sithrak!
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 16:49:45
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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The "passage of time", "millenia of man on woman" anti-gay marriage argument doesn't hold any weight for me.
If we are to accept the premise, all it shows is that homosexuals have not enjoyed access to the institution of marriage for a very long time, and nothing at all about whether they should or should not be allowed access to that institution today.
As a similar example, women have been disenfranchised in most societies throughout history, but that's no reason to bar women from voting and owning property today.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 16:57:30
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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jasper76 wrote:The "passage of time", "millenia of man on woman" anti-gay marriage argument doesn't hold any weight for me.
I understand and agree to a great extent. You however are not a sitting justice on the Supreme Court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 16:57:42
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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jasper76 wrote:As a similar example, women have been disenfranchised in most societies throughout history, but that's no reason to bar women from voting and owning property today.
Lies! Won't somebody think of the tradition!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:00:49
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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SilverMK2 wrote: jasper76 wrote:As a similar example, women have been disenfranchised in most societies throughout history, but that's no reason to bar women from voting and owning property today.
Lies! Won't somebody think of the tradition!
We need to bring it back into the school and homes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:01:28
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Frazzled wrote: jasper76 wrote:The "passage of time", "millenia of man on woman" anti-gay marriage argument doesn't hold any weight for me.
I understand and agree to a great extent. You however are not a sitting justice on the Supreme Court.
??? Sorry, I never intended to claim that I am a Supreme Court justice.
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I'd like to bring back scapegoating, like literal scapegoating. If I do seomthing wrong, the state should punish a goat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 18:36:48
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No arguments from me there.
As to the topic, I cannot recall a single argument against SSM that wasn't based in or tangentially related to religion. If we are to believe that there is in fact a separation of Church and State, then barring SSM is indeed a violation of the Constitution.
Personally, the ONLY state involvement in any marriage should be at the office of licensing where the whole point of a license is to ensure that there is no blatantly abusive situation (ie, someone too young to decide on their own)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 18:47:01
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
No arguments from me there.
As to the topic, I cannot recall a single argument against SSM that wasn't based in or tangentially related to religion. If we are to believe that there is in fact a separation of Church and State, then barring SSM is indeed a violation of the Constitution.
Personally, the ONLY state involvement in any marriage should be at the office of licensing where the whole point of a license is to ensure that there is no blatantly abusive situation (ie, someone too young to decide on their own)
Forgot to add the "Tradition" part to the paddle posts.
I can see the tradition angle
I can see the bucking the establishment angle
I can see the religious angle
I can see the non religious angle
I be surprise if SCOTUS say "Separation of Church and State" and throws it back to the States
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 01:46:32
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Frazzled wrote:Both justices argued tradition was man/woman. Again, please cite a nation state where there was otherwise. Its a hard argument to overturn. At least two members of the court are saying -with strength-that this is not an issue that should be decided by fiat, but at the state level. Frankly that argument holds the most merit.
There’s about 50 countries right now with fully legal polygamy. Almost all of them are Islamic, but there’s a few others as well.
What’s interesting, and that I didn’t know before I double checked the number above, is that a few Western countries that won’t grant polygamist marriages, but will accept polygamist marriages created in other countries. Which supports your suggested middle ground that the court might find – no state is required to grant gay marriages, but will have to accept gay marriages formed in other states.
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whembly wrote:This is a prime example of how "Separation of Church and State" can be strengthen by ruling that the word "marriages and it's religious connotation" are disbarred from public documents, and henthforth called simply "civil unions". PRIVATELY, call it a "marriage" if you want... but, on the legal documents, it's a civil union.
The argument fails completely because 'marriage' is not a term owned by any religion, and in fact no religion has ever tried to claim ownership of it before. Right now two atheists can apply for a marriage certificate, have it performed without any mention of God by a person who is no way part of any church, and none of that is complained about by religious people.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 07:52:56
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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We have Steve, Jane and Bob.
Steve loves Jane, Jane loves Steve, and Bob loves both of them, and both Jane and Steve love Bob.
If it is legal for Jane to marry Steve, but not Bob, then this is discrimination based on nothing except the gender of the parties involved, which is already a violation of several Federal laws.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 08:34:27
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The reason why the argument is invalid is because it is based on a logical fallacy.
The argument presupposes that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, then says that all men and women have equal right to that union. But marriage is not necessarily a union between a man and a woman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 09:07:26
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Dundee, Scotland/Dharahn, Saudi Arabia
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As long as being married confers legal status to the partners of the union (Medical, Pension, Financial etc) then it should be open to all.
Anything else is discriminatory, you can't really argue against that.
With any luck the justices will see sense, vote yes, and then the US can get on with more important things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 09:23:40
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Kilkrazy wrote:The reason why the argument is invalid is because it is based on a logical fallacy.
I think the problem is more that it attempts to use abstract logic to explain and justify legal rights. By looking at things entirely in terms of what people can and cannot legally do, with no regard for what people actually want to do, the argument works.
By the same logic government could pass a law tomorrow saying it's okay to kick government buildings with your bare feet, and claim that we have had our freedoms extended. We would, of course, be free to do something that wasn't legal the day before. But in terms of real freedom nothing will have changed, because no-one wants to run around kicking brick walls with their bare feet.
So, obviously, real freedom involves the freedom to do what people actually want to do. And so when looking at gay marriage we have to consider who is free to do what they want, and who is not. In this case a straight person is free to marry the person they love, whereas a gay person cannot marry the person they love. One person clearly has a freedom the other lacks.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 03:51:21
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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So apparently the argument against allowing marriage equality is that it will lead to 900,000 more abortions.
If that's the nonsense their using to argue against it, let me be the first to Welcome the US to the countries that support marriage equality. You might have needed the courts to be your moral guidance, but you made it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/no-gay-marriage-will-not-cause-900000-abortions/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 03:56:30
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I wish we lived in a world where gay men weren't constantly getting abortions as an alternative to just using birth control.
And that's before we even start talking about how they caused the Baltimore riots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 04:00:55
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hey now, behind every fabulous city was a drab and dull inner city just waiting for it's grand makeover!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 04:03:09
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Abortions, gay marriage, no wonder the world is burning down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 04:19:02
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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He's referencing the Buddhist monk that did the same in Vietnam to protest against the government.
Album cover of Rage Against the Machine so its pretty much everyone seen
a Buddhist monk named Thich Quang Duc calmly sat down in the middle of a street in South Vietnam in front of the Cambodian Embassy, while a fellow monk poured gasoline over his head. A moment later, he set himself on fire.
He was protesting the systemic religious discrimination against Buddhists by the Roman Catholic regime of dictator Ngo Dinh Diem. Although Catholics were very much a minority in the country, they enjoyed majority status and privileges. Buddhists were not allowed to practice their religion in public, serve in the army, and were routinely discriminated against.
When, on May 9th, 1963 9 unarmed Buddhists in Hue, South Vietnam attempted to fly a Buddhist flag on Phat Dan, the birthday of Gautama Buddha, they were shot dead in the street by the dictator’s Catholic army. This incident, which Diem blamed on the Viet-Cong, incited the major protests and civil disobedience among the country’s Buddhist population, known as the Buddhist Crisis.
Piss poor comparison
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 04:38:57
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Jihadin wrote:
He's referencing the Buddhist monk that did the same in Vietnam to protest against the government.
Yeah, the difference is that instead of everyone being shocked by the message, we all consider the source and hope it winds up on youtube.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 06:20:21
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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He also said he would do this if he didn't have a strongly-held religious belief against suicide, so it was empty rhetoric in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 06:26:34
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Psienesis wrote:He also said he would do this if he didn't have a strongly-held religious belief against suicide, so it was empty rhetoric in the first place.
Which is especially ironic because if he wouldn't have this strongly-held religious belief that keeps him from acting out his wish to act as the fuel for a communal BBQ he most likely wouldn't give a damn about these "evil" courts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/01 06:54:05
Subject: Legal Battle Over Gay Marriage Hits The Supreme Court Tuesday
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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I doubt his BBQ'd remains would feed the 5000 spectators who turned up to watch; that would be some kind of miracle if it did!
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