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So summary for last night: mostly uneventful, large crowds of folks standing in front of the cops telling other protesters to go home, folks encouraging (and at times dragging) teenagers to go home, community leaders continuing to step up.
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d-usa wrote: So summary for last night: mostly uneventful, large crowds of folks standing in front of the cops telling other protesters to go home, folks encouraging (and at times dragging) teenagers to go home, community leaders continuing to step up.
d-usa wrote: So summary for last night: mostly uneventful, large crowds of folks standing in front of the cops telling other protesters to go home, folks encouraging (and at times dragging) teenagers to go home, community leaders continuing to step up.
An emotional Brooke Baldwin apologized Wednesday for suggesting that soldiers who become police officers after returning from war are "ready do do battle" and contribute to the unrest in cities like Baltimore.
"I absolutely misspoke," Baldwin said on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning. "I inartfully chose my words a hundred percent, and I just wish, just speaking to all of you this morning ... I wholeheartedly retract what I said. I’ve thought tremendously about this, and to our nation’s veterans — to you, I have the utmost respect for our men and women in uniform, and I wanted you to know that this morning. So to all of you, I owe you a tremendous apology. I am truly sorry."
You learn as you go,” Baldwin's colleague Chris Cuomo said, giving her a hug.
The on-air apology came a day after the daytime anchor made the remarks while discussing the need for better police training in Baltimore.
"I was talking to the city councilman last week," Baldwin said. "He said, 'Brooke, these people have to live in the community. There’s a lack of emotional investment.' And a lot of young people — and I’ve been talking about this so much. A lot of young people — and I love our nation’s veterans, but some are coming back from war, they don’t know the communities, and they’re ready to do battle."
I saw that segment and just laughed One heck of a bolo
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d-usa wrote: So summary for last night: mostly uneventful, large crowds of folks standing in front of the cops telling other protesters to go home, folks encouraging (and at times dragging) teenagers to go home, community leaders continuing to step up.
My shop suffered an attempted break in, they got a pallet jack and tried to lift my automated security door. The product I sell is fairly popular with inner city youngsters in the B-more area, and our theory is that they knew the po-po were distracted and in force in the city and took the opportunity to strike at us.
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jasper76 wrote: Incidentally, the Orioles crushed the White Sox 8-2 in front of an empty stadium yesterday.
Wait......isn't that game today?
Fans were though outside the metal fence watching
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Oh, maybe today. I heard the story on the radio on the ride home from work, and must have assumed it was about a game yesterday.
Thanks!
Yep, the game was originally 4 ET, but was bumped up to 2 ET, with no public admittance for safety concerns. The other two games of that series have apparently been rescheduled for later on in May. This weekend's games that were scheduled, the Os were supposed to take on the Rays at home, but those games have been moved to Tampa, with the Os playing as the home team (which is going to be fething weird... the "visiting team" will be batting in the bottom of the inning )
The amusing thing is that if they would have closed the stadium to the public in STL when the Ferguson thing was happening, that probably would have caused a bigger riot with the baseball lunatics.
daedalus wrote: The amusing thing is that if they would have closed the stadium to the public in STL when the Ferguson thing was happening, that probably would have caused a bigger riot with the baseball lunatics.
Indeed.
Ferguson protestor did show up at the stadium Metrolink for a few games.
Word is there will be an announcement of the results of the Gray Death investigation on Friday. Washington DC city recalled their cops who were in Baltimore back to DC due to reports and expectations of violence in DC as a result. Expectation is there will be nation-wide incidents should they come back with "there was no evidence of Police Malfeasance." or "there is not enough to charge anyone". (which is what is expected because the Blue Wall of Silence is in full force and too many people and scenarios to tie anyone down.
:(
After talking to some people more in the know, the two major incidents was the social media incident at the High School which was the source of the Violence in NW, and the drunk Os fans chanting the N-word which was the source of the Baseball violence. Apart from those incidents, most of the other protests and situations were mostly contained and community leaders are really policing themselves. If they had handled the Highschool situation better, there might have been no Monday incidents at all.
Apparently there are anarchist groups which keep flooding high schools with hoax walkouts and other organized violence. Basically people half a world away hacking into and targeting Baltimore social media groups to try to manipulate kids into things. I think they caught the officials with their pants down once and now they are on top of it.
So things are 'better' now but might get worse if they reveal investigation details this weekend.
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So apparently one of the other prisoners in the Paddy Wagon believes that Gray was intentionally trying to injure himself by "banging off the walls". He wasn't shackled apparently.
Medium of Death wrote: So apparently one of the other prisoners in the Paddy Wagon believes that Gray was intentionally trying to injure himself by "banging off the walls". He wasn't shackled apparently.
Interesting, this is the first I have heard of other prisoners in the paddy wagon.
I had heard they stopped to attach Shackles to him. And there is a reputation of giving passengers a "rough ride" to mess with them on the way to booking.
If there was someone in there, in the back with him which has first hand observations, that is going to be interesting... But of course, people might discount it as manufactured just the the suspicious female eye witness in the brown case which seemed to have no reason to be where she was, but seemed to have a perfect and full accounting of the incident for the grand jury and was virtually the only witness listened to in the grand jury.
So could be that there will be no resolution to this one either. :(
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He's the only "witness" in a sense. He could only hear what was going on but was unable to see. Report is due on Friday though.
There's a family member of a Black police officer that's come forward with what the officer told her in confidence which I'm sure you can find easily enough.
She seems to suggest there is video footage that isn't being shown.
Again, report on Friday.
While we wait for that inevitable... argument here is some Peter Hitchens laying down the Law with regard to the 2011 London Riots.
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Medium of Death wrote: So apparently one of the other prisoners in the Paddy Wagon believes that Gray was intentionally trying to injure himself by "banging off the walls". He wasn't shackled apparently.
Interesting, this is the first I have heard of other prisoners in the paddy wagon.
I had heard they stopped to attach Shackles to him. And there is a reputation of giving passengers a "rough ride" to mess with them on the way to booking.
If there was someone in there, in the back with him which has first hand observations, that is going to be interesting... But of course, people might discount it as manufactured just the the suspicious female eye witness in the brown case which seemed to have no reason to be where she was, but seemed to have a perfect and full accounting of the incident for the grand jury and was virtually the only witness listened to in the grand jury.
So could be that there will be no resolution to this one either. :(
Was mention back the "Paddy Wagon" (found out today that term is derogatory Irish?) made two-three additional stops before heading back to PD. So I figure they were holding the release of intel till those additional individuals were processed and into the legal system and had lawyers assigned to them.
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I seriously believe. LEO's need to be trained in the "5 S's"
SEARCH
SILENCE
SEGRAGATE
SAFEGAURD
SPEED
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Separate from others who were apprehended. Which seems to be the case being the witness can hear but not see what Gray was doing.
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An emotional Brooke Baldwin apologized Wednesday for suggesting that soldiers who become police officers after returning from war are "ready do do battle" and contribute to the unrest in cities like Baltimore.
"I absolutely misspoke," Baldwin said on CNN's "New Day" Wednesday morning. "I inartfully chose my words a hundred percent, and I just wish, just speaking to all of you this morning ... I wholeheartedly retract what I said. I’ve thought tremendously about this, and to our nation’s veterans — to you, I have the utmost respect for our men and women in uniform, and I wanted you to know that this morning. So to all of you, I owe you a tremendous apology. I am truly sorry."
You learn as you go,” Baldwin's colleague Chris Cuomo said, giving her a hug.
The on-air apology came a day after the daytime anchor made the remarks while discussing the need for better police training in Baltimore.
"I was talking to the city councilman last week," Baldwin said. "He said, 'Brooke, these people have to live in the community. There’s a lack of emotional investment.' And a lot of young people — and I’ve been talking about this so much. A lot of young people — and I love our nation’s veterans, but some are coming back from war, they don’t know the communities, and they’re ready to do battle."
Can you elaborate on why you feel it wasn't inflammatory?
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Medium of Death wrote: So apparently one of the other prisoners in the Paddy Wagon believes that Gray was intentionally trying to injure himself by "banging off the walls". He wasn't shackled apparently.
Interesting, this is the first I have heard of other prisoners in the paddy wagon.
I had heard they stopped to attach Shackles to him. And there is a reputation of giving passengers a "rough ride" to mess with them on the way to booking.
If there was someone in there, in the back with him which has first hand observations, that is going to be interesting... But of course, people might discount it as manufactured just the the suspicious female eye witness in the brown case which seemed to have no reason to be where she was, but seemed to have a perfect and full accounting of the incident for the grand jury and was virtually the only witness listened to in the grand jury.
So could be that there will be no resolution to this one either. :(
Really all that the other prisoner has to go on is that he was "banging" around. The whole "trying to injure himself" is just speculation on his part.
He was not walking before he was loaded into the van and chances are that his spinal cord was already partially severed at that time. A cervical fracture would pretty much render your legs and possibly your arms pretty much useless, and even make it difficult to balance using the muscles of your trunk. And if you end up just putting a paralized person, even if it is just partially paralized, into a van without securing him to anything, they will end up "banging around" whenever the van as much as speeds up or slows down, let alone make turns.
Medium of Death wrote: So apparently one of the other prisoners in the Paddy Wagon believes that Gray was intentionally trying to injure himself by "banging off the walls". He wasn't shackled apparently.
Interesting, this is the first I have heard of other prisoners in the paddy wagon.
I had heard they stopped to attach Shackles to him. And there is a reputation of giving passengers a "rough ride" to mess with them on the way to booking.
If there was someone in there, in the back with him which has first hand observations, that is going to be interesting... But of course, people might discount it as manufactured just the the suspicious female eye witness in the brown case which seemed to have no reason to be where she was, but seemed to have a perfect and full accounting of the incident for the grand jury and was virtually the only witness listened to in the grand jury.
So could be that there will be no resolution to this one either. :(
Really all that the other prisoner has to go on is that he was "banging" around. The whole "trying to injure himself" is just speculation on his part.
He was not walking before he was loaded into the van and chances are that his spinal cord was already partially severed at that time. A cervical fracture would pretty much render your legs and possibly your arms pretty much useless, and even make it difficult to balance using the muscles of your trunk. And if you end up just putting a paralized person, even if it is just partially paralized, into a van without securing him to anything, they will end up "banging around" whenever the van as much as speeds up or slows down, let alone make turns.
Yeah... I don't buy that WashPost story on this...
Besides, I can't wrap my head around the idea that, while being handcuffed, you can go nuts in an enclosed wagon to somehow sever your spine.
Can you elaborate on why you feel it wasn't inflammatory?
Considering one of the major defenses for Police Misconduct and excessive force is PTSD, I do think there should be some level of scrutiny applied to *ANYONE* Military or otherwise who tries to be a police officer who has been the target of live fire or deadly force. I think being shot at or forced to kill someone changes most people and probably might make them not a good fit for police work.
I do think there are a small few people who like the violence and authoritah and are looking for a fight, but I think that can be said about many civilians who enter police work as well. So while it is painting a large portion of a revered population with a brush, there is some merit to some of it.
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Can you elaborate on why you feel it wasn't inflammatory?
Considering one of the major defenses for Police Misconduct and excessive force is PTSD, I do think there should be some level of scrutiny applied to *ANYONE* Military or otherwise who tries to be a police officer who has been the target of live fire or deadly force. I think being shot at or forced to kill someone changes most people and probably might make them not a good fit for police work.
I do think there are a small few people who like the violence and authoritah and are looking for a fight, but I think that can be said about many civilians who enter police work as well. So while it is painting a large portion of a revered population with a brush, there is some merit to some of it.
What percentage of people who have been in the military do you believe have killed someone?
nkelsch wrote: Considering one of the major defenses for Police Misconduct and excessive force is PTSD, I do think there should be some level of scrutiny applied to *ANYONE* Military or otherwise who tries to be a police officer who has been the target of live fire or deadly force.
I've never heard of PTSD used as an excuse for police misconduct, can you give me a few references please. I'd love to read them if they exist.
Also, do you think PTSD is only triggered by being in combat?
nkelsch wrote: I think being shot at or forced to kill someone changes most people and probably might make them not a good fit for police work.
What kind of work does it make them fit for? Being shot at automatically changes someones career options?
nkelsch wrote: I do think there are a small few people who like the violence and authoritah and are looking for a fight, but I think that can be said about many civilians who enter police work as well.
But combat veterans require a different level of scrutiny?
nkelsch wrote: So while it is painting a large portion of a revered population with a brush, there is some merit to some of it.
There is only merit to it if you buy into the thoroughly innacurate and debunked "broken soldier" stereotype thats a favorite in hollywood tropes.
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I do not even have to click on the link..(if it worked ).....OIF/OEF vets are opting themselves out more then (like 10 a week or something) then opting someone else out.
Significant Emotional Event can get one diagnosed with PTSD. It is not owned solely by combat vets
PTSD subject needs to be researched for a bit for one to have an idea of the degree's of PTSD
Right now some, perception, views, thought, and/or idea is that all PTSD is anger/combative/aggressive
Did you all know a Paratrooper w/no combat/deployment experience in the US Military has PTSD? Suppression of fear is one of the "signs" of PTSD
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