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so I'm currently thinking of doing a Tau and Eldar combo army using the new eldar war host detachment after I saw what a unit of wraith guard with the strength D flamers did to a unit of Necrons and an overlord, which is quite exciting for gaming and fluff reasons (for me anyway as I like to create some fluff for my armies). so far it looks like I'm gonna take a wraith host along side my Tau to start off and eventually take a guardian battle host as well once I have the cash.
so how does that sound as a general idea?

Even with a fluffy reason to combine Taudar again, I'd like to warn you that you will likely not have many friends if you do. I'm certain you're no stranger to the current panic attack going on caused by the Eldar book. The army is great on it's own (Well...BETTER than great) and adding in the Tau will likely cause some more eye rolling. (Despite Tau being less powerful than Eldar, they are still a very solid army)

Just being the messenger. Despite the stigma Eldar have again claimed, I say build whatever makes you happy.

*Edit to correct grammar/spelling

Melevolence wrote:
Even with a fluffy reason to combine Taudar again, I'd like to warn you that you will likely not have many friends if you do. I'm certain you're no stranger to the current panic attack going on caused by the Eldar book. The army is great on it's own (Well...BETTER than great) and adding in the Tau will likely cause some more eye rolling. (Despite Tau being less powerful than Eldar, they are still a very solid army)

Just being the messenger. Despite the stigma Eldar have again claimed, I say build whatever makes you happy.

haha gaining friends is not the idea this time, it's so I can deal with the necron players at my local store (there are more than quite a few). It's also in an attempt to table my regular opponent (one of the many necron players at my store) who regularly tables me every weekend (except this one just gone), as when the new codex was released I was lucky enough to watch as 5 wraithguard obliterated a unit of his warriors and an overlord with their D strength flamers.
It's also so I can gain a psychic phase and some psyker defense as tau tend to get demolished in the psychic phase.

 Glasdir wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
Even with a fluffy reason to combine Taudar again, I'd like to warn you that you will likely not have many friends if you do. I'm certain you're no stranger to the current panic attack going on caused by the Eldar book. The army is great on it's own (Well...BETTER than great) and adding in the Tau will likely cause some more eye rolling. (Despite Tau being less powerful than Eldar, they are still a very solid army)

Just being the messenger. Despite the stigma Eldar have again claimed, I say build whatever makes you happy.

haha gaining friends is not the idea this time, it's so I can deal with the necron players at my local store (there are more than quite a few). It's also in an attempt to table my regular opponent (one of the many necron players at my store) who regularly tables me every weekend (except this one just gone), as when the new codex was released I was lucky enough to watch as 5 wraithguard obliterated a unit of his warriors and an overlord with their D strength flamers.
It's also so I can gain a psychic phase and some psyker defense as tau tend to get demolished in the psychic phase.

Ah, well, if you're in a 'dog eat dog' kind of setting, I suppose this might be the way to put him down. Though is it worth spending money just to beat one guy in particular? (since you seem more eager to build this to shut him down as opposed to Cron players in general) *shrug*

I guess I'm pretty loosey goosey when it comes to this game. I'd never up and build a new army just to make a point against people. I'm pretty fortunate in my case too, so I've no real argument there. Out of the play group we have (about 20 people), only 1 or 2 could be considered 'those guys' and we only have one player who plays Crons (but he's a cool dude) and 1 or 2 Eldar players (though they only come out to play during our monthly Apoc events). I play Orks, and I'm generally never strapped for games. I lose a lot of games, but I just have too much fun in the end to really care XD

well it's not just for that one guy, it's for all the 'cron players at my local store (there are at least 10 I can think of) as 'crons far out number any other armies that get played at my local store which is a bit sad really as it gets boring loosing week after week (this saturday was the first time I won a 1v1 game of 40k since august/September). My main reason however is that I have also been waiting for an excuse to start collecting eldar for a while as I rather like the models and I've devised a quick to complete colour scheme for them (that I got to try out for the first time today on my new farseer and spiritseer) as I like the idea of an army that is quick to paint and looks great when done as I don't have loads of time to paint.

Melevolence has pretty much said everything but maybe I should add that you don't have to fight with such an army to win. Perhaps you should work on your lists and master your codex better. Eldar are a top-tier army, everybody knows.

Tau & Eldar are two completely different races and whatever the Allies Matrix says, they have no particular ties and strictly no reasons to fight together. You can always wrap up some fluff around your list but in the eyes of the community, you'll always be WAAC/That guy for doing this.

I personnally don't like these lists because I'm a fond of the 40k lore. I understand your point of being constantly beaten though, and after all, this game is becoming such a mess that you can do whatever you want without worry.

I know necrons can be beaten with tau, the problem is most of the 'cron players who I face regularly are WAAC/that guy and they are fully aware of it (they're nice enough though). I don't try to be a WAAC/that guy as playing them really sucks the fun out of the game (a discussion I was having with another player at my local on Saturday), I just want to have an even chance of winning as opposed to the game being completely one sided from the start.
As for lore and fluff, if you have read enough of it, you'll know that any army except tyranids (becuase they cannot be reasoned with) could have a reason to form an alliance. I think I've come up with a pretty good explanation as to why.
I wouldn't say that the game is a mess, just the necrons and eldar, but you know what they say, fight fire with fire

 Glasdir wrote:
so I'm currently thinking of doing a Tau and Eldar combo army using the new eldar war host detachment after I saw what a unit of wraith guard with the strength D flamers did to a unit of Necrons and an overlord, which is quite exciting for gaming and fluff reasons (for me anyway as I like to create some fluff for my armies). so far it looks like I'm gonna take a wraith host along side my Tau to start off and eventually take a guardian battle host as well once I have the cash.
so how does that sound as a general idea?

It sounds like what you're doing has nothing to do with fluff and everything to do with the new rules those units have. There is nothing legally wrong with that and the bonkers current GW rules 100% allow it. Just don't be surprised if you end up spending alot of time at empty tables when people see your army, shake your hand, and say "good win! Next game with someone else!" without even rolling dice.

The only reason to have Tau with Eldar is if Tau is primary. You could shore up Tau weakness to assault nicely with Eldar or provide some fast objective grabbers if you're not already playing Farsight Enclaves.

The Eldar have absolutely no need of any allies except maybe Dark Eldar for webway portal or raider shenanigans. Adding anything else in to their list would actually weaken them.

If you want to stand up to your WAAC meta and have a reliable chance of winning go with pure Eldar. If you want a fluffy army then collect whatever you like the looks of best. Just don't expect to stand against the more abuseable books.

Good luck messing with the tg's, i really hope at least one of them takes the hint and challenges you with something that isn't top tier competition stuff at some point.
But i wonder if this move will just enshrine their WAAC-ness though.

 D6Damager wrote:
The only reason to have Tau with Eldar is if Tau is primary. You could shore up Tau weakness to assault nicely with Eldar or provide some fast objective grabbers if you're not already playing Farsight Enclaves.

yeah you've pretty much summed up my main reasons for doing this. lychguard with two overlords one with the upgrade to teleport across the board (similar to vargard) that teleport right behind your lines and proceed to destroy all of your infantry and battlesuits (try telling me that isn't a WAAC tactic that totaly wasn't tailored) are just taking the mickey. the eldar are primarily to shore up my psychic/CC weaknesses. I don't plan on running enclaves as the book will be obsolete in the next update, meaning it would be a total waste of £25. getting to create some fluff is just a bonus for me. I do love the eldar models too, I'm especially pleased with the way my new farseer and spiritseer look.