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http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Reclamation-Legion-Web-Bundle

I don't think I will expand my CSM from the Dark Vengeance set any further, and I'm leaning towards Necron. Is this bundle worth it, or should I start slow with a couple of troops, plus a HQ?

Calculate the savings from the bundle.

Does it save you more than a monolith in price? If so, its worth it, buy it and sell the monolith (unless you really want one) otherwise just buy everything on its own.

Unless GW has changed, their "web bundles" dont save you a penny over what you'd spend on the contents in individual boxes. They have the appearance of savings by being called a "bundle", but actually contain no savings.

As gwarsg41 says, doing the math here is worth your while.

The Necron Battleforce was the best value last codex, and I believe its still a good value. It could fill most of your Reclamation Legion requiremets, except an HQ and 3 Tomb Blades.

If I was starting out, I'd be looking at the Necron Battleforce, a box of Tomb Blades, and an HQ of your liking (I prefer Nmesor Zandrekh personally).

That would give you a Reclamation Legionformation, and from there you could start collecting whatever Auxiliary Formation(s) catch your fancy.

YMMV




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So I did the match, and, in the US, the contets of the Reclamation Legion Web Bundle would actually be cheaper if you bought all the contents separately rather than in the bundle, by $6.75.

Go figure..


The Necron Battleforce box is still a value. In the US, it costs $27.92 less than what you'd pay if you bought the contents separately (assuming a cost of $3.02/Necron Warrior)

 jasper76 wrote:
Unless GW has changed, their "web bundles" dont save you a penny over what you'd spend on the contents in individual boxes. They have the appearance of savings by being called a "bundle", but actually contain no savings.

As gwarsg41 says, doing the math here is worth your while.

The Necron Battleforce was the best value last codex, and I believe its still a good value. It could fill most of your Decurion requiremets, except an HQ and 3 Tomb Blades.

If I was starting out, I'd be looking at the Necron Battleforce, a box of Tomb Blades, and an HQ of your liking (I prefer Nmesor Zandrekh personally).

That would give you a Decurion formation, and from there you could start collecting whatever Auxiliary Formations catch your fancy.

YMMV




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So I did the match, and, in the US, the contets of the Reclamation Legion Web Bundle would actually be cheaper if you bought all the contents separately rather than in the bundle, by $6.75.

Go figure..


The Necron Battleforce box is still a value. In the US, it costs $27.92 less than what you'd pay if you bought the contents separately (assuming a cost of $3.02/Necron Warrior)

I just did the math in my own currency (NOK), and I found out that it's exactly the same price. So nothing to save on the Reclamation bundle, sadly.

Bundles dont really save money...Ive noticed the box sets save you a large amount. So if you want to save money, grab the boxsets they have .

Nvm, Necrons dont really have any box sets lol

 DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Bundles dont really save money...Ive noticed the box sets save you a large amount. So if you want to save money, grab the boxsets they have .

Nvm, Necrons dont really have any box sets lol

What do you mean by a "box set"? Like the Dark Vengeance one (which I already have), or like this one: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Adeptus-Astartes-Strikeforce ?

yes, just like that one. you save some money with those.

Web Bundle?

no they provide no savings.

some times actually cost MORE. (looking at you old wind rider eldar bundle that calculated based on single bikes rather than the 3packs)

Ivara1 wrote:

 DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Bundles dont really save money...Ive noticed the box sets save you a large amount. So if you want to save money, grab the boxsets they have .

Nvm, Necrons dont really have any box sets lol

What do you mean by a "box set"? Like the Dark Vengeance one (which I already have), or like this one: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Adeptus-Astartes-Strikeforce ?

Things like the Adeptus Astartes Strikeforce have been introduced to replace the Battleforces/Battalions that previously existed.

Necrons DID have one called "The Tomb Awakened", but I do not know why it was stopped.

As was mentioned, the Necron Battleforce, an HQ, and a box of Tomb Blades will pretty much set you up. Be warned that Tomb Blades seem to be going out of stock fast, so you might have to go hunting for them.

Desubot wrote:Web Bundle?

no they provide no savings.

some times actually cost MORE. (looking at you old wind rider eldar bundle that calculated based on single bikes rather than the 3packs)

The 3 packs were not an actual item, just three Jetbikes pulled off the shelf--hence why they calculated based on single bikes.
If the triple pack was an actual boxed item, that would have been an entirely different story.

I know it sounds stupid and strange, but that's how GW works.

The 3 bike thing was a box set i though. at least i swore i saw it at the local Gee dubs at one point but that was a while back so ether way not a big deal.

Boxed sets are specifically named or have a theme to them. For example each army's battleforce box.
I managed to get the necron Tomb Awakened box which offered considerable savings. I paid $190 for the box - below is the retail value for the models from that box.
Triarch Stalker $49.50
Annihilation Barge $37.25
Lychguard $33.00
Immortals x2 $66.00
Canoptek Wraiths $47.00
Subtotal $232.75

You could also look at these boxes as basically getting a unit for free.

I bought the Tau Firebase Support Cadre box and basically the Riptide was free.

The link you have is also a set. Basically if the GW site has a picture of the box its a box set. Also it won't say bundle.
As mentioned before. Bundles suck - they don't save on costs. THey really just look like a faster shopping method.
Other boxes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sanguine-Strike-Company
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-DV
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warriors-of-the-Fang
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Grey-Knight-Nemesis-Vanguard
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Cadian-Defence-Force

Windrider bikes came in a box containing enough parts to build three jetbikes. I bought a couple boxes a few months before the new codex dropped.

Which two troops and HQ should I invest in first? A pack of Warriors and some Immortals, and a random HQ? I'll check my local store tomorrow - to see what they have in stock of Necron.

Also, are they good; easy to play? I'm a serious beginner in this game.

 Ivara1 wrote:
Which two troops and HQ should I invest in first? A pack of Warriors and some Immortals, and a random HQ? I'll check my local store tomorrow - to see what they have in stock of Necron.

Also, are they good; easy to play? I'm a serious beginner in this game.

They are very, very good, and its very hard to build a bad list if you follow the book, because the new codex really doesn't have too many bad units anymore.

The primary new way to build a Necron army is the Decurion, which first and foremost requires a Reclamation Legion formation. At minimum to build this formation, you need one Overlord-type HQ, 2 units of Warriors (10 model min), 1 unit of Immortals (5 model min), and 1 unit of Tomb Blades (3 model min).

If your store has the Necron Battleforce, I'd take a hard look at that because its discounted, has the 2 units of Warriors, 1 unit of Immortals, and a nice Dedicated Transport. It's the start of a Reclamation Legion, but if you add an HQ you can immediately play a CAD with this box.

Nemesor Zandrekh is probably the best Overlord-type HQ, and should be pretty good to use to explore the various Warlord Traits for a beginner. You could also do a generic Overlord HQ, or whatever HQ you fancy from the codex.

Orikhan the Diviner seems to be a very popular HQ choice, as well. I've never played with him so can't say myself. Also, he does not fulfill the Overlord requirement for the Reclamation Legion IIRC.

Naaris wrote:
Boxed sets are specifically named or have a theme to them. For example each army's battleforce box.
I managed to get the necron Tomb Awakened box which offered considerable savings. I paid $190 for the box - below is the retail value for the models from that box.
Triarch Stalker $49.50
Annihilation Barge $37.25
Lychguard $33.00
Immortals x2 $66.00
Canoptek Wraiths $47.00
Subtotal $232.75

You could also look at these boxes as basically getting a unit for free.

I bought the Tau Firebase Support Cadre box and basically the Riptide was free.

The link you have is also a set. Basically if the GW site has a picture of the box its a box set. Also it won't say bundle.
As mentioned before. Bundles suck - they don't save on costs. THey really just look like a faster shopping method.
Other boxes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sanguine-Strike-Company
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Angels-DV
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warriors-of-the-Fang
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Grey-Knight-Nemesis-Vanguard
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Cadian-Defence-Force

I went to my local shop today, and I saw that they had like three boxes of the "The Tomb Awakened" set. The price was like 185. Seemed kinda steep to me, but I don't know. What do you think?

Well since its calculated out for you above its clearly worth it compared to retail.

Model wise

They are all pretty useful as you can easily make a character off the barge lord. or use it as a CCB

so its straight playable out of the box.

@Ivara:

The box is a value compared to what you'd pay if you bought each box separately. However, its contents give you only the start of any several formations.

You get a Triarch Stalker. In order to make the Judicator Batallion, you'll need 10 Praetorians.
You get an Annihlation Barge. In order to make the Annihilation Nexus, you'll need another Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark.
You get Lychguard and 2x Immortals. In order to make a Reclamation Legion, you'll need an Overlord, 2 squads of Warriors, and 1 squad of Tomb Blades.
You get Canoptek Wraiths. In order to make Canoptek Harvest, you'll also need to gather some Scarabs (only available to mu knowledge in Warrior and Obelisk boxes) as well as a Canoptek Spyder.

I'm not telling you not to buy it or anything, but it really seems designed as a start for 4 formations, and would require alot more $ to complete any one of them. I still think the Necron Battleforce, an HQ, and a box of Tomb Blades would be a better way to start. With this, you'd get a complete formation, and could start eyeballing what you'd like for an Auxiliary formation (in case its not clear by now, formations are the way to go with the new Necron codex) YMMV

Isnt that box it self also a formation? i remember some box sets where like that.

like the space marine that has a Data slate on BL

Edit: He could always not run the formations too since they are still good in of it self

 jasper76 wrote:
@Ivara:

The box is a value compared to what you'd pay if you bought each box separately. However, its contents give you only the start of any several formations.

You get a Triarch Stalker. In order to make the Judicator Batallion, you'll need 10 Praetorians.
You get an Annihlation Barge. In order to make the Annihilation Nexus, you'll need another Annihilation Barge and a Doomsday Ark.
You get Lychguard and 2x Immortals. In order to make a Reclamation Legion, you'll need an Overlord, 2 squads of Warriors, and 1 squad of Tomb Blades.
You get Canoptek Wraiths. In order to make Canoptek Harvest, you'll also need to gather some Scarabs (only available to mu knowledge in Warrior and Obelisk boxes) as well as a Canoptek Spyder.

I'm not telling you not to buy it or anything, but it really seems designed as a start for 4 formations, and would require alot more $ to complete any one of them. I still think the Necron Battleforce, an HQ, and a box of Tomb Blades would be a better way to start. With this, you'd get a complete formation, and could start eyeballing what you'd like for an Auxiliary formation (in case its not clear by now, formations are the way to go with the new Necron codex) YMMV

What are these "formations" that you keep referring too? Is that some Necro only thing?

 Ivara1 wrote:
What are these "formations" that you keep referring too? Is that some Necro only thing?

Formations are groups of units that, when taken together, grant special rules to every unit in the group. They are not special to Necrons, most other armies have formations that are published through dataslates. Fortunately, the Necron codex conttains these formations.

The Necron Decurion system of putting an army together can be used instead of the Combined Arms Detachment system presented in the Main rulebook. A Decurion consists entirely of formations. There are 2 mandatory formations...the Reclamation Legion, and then 1 choice from the Auxiliary formations presented in the codex. You can add aditional formations, as well, if you have the points leftover to do so.

For example, I've been running a Decurion detachment with the mandatory Reclamation Legion formation, and the Destroyer Cult formation as my manadatory Auxiliary formation.

If you use the Decurion, you get a +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols army-wide (for units that have RP, anyways), and this is no small benefit.




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 Desubot wrote:
Isnt that box it self also a formation? i remember some box sets where like that.

like the space marine that has a Data slate on BL

Edit: He could always not run the formations too since they are still good in of it self

I don't know if the Tomb Awakened boxset comes with any rules to make its contents a formation. Never seen it opened.

It's true that our fine OP could choose not run formations...but "Why not?", says I. If someone offers me both a good sandwich, and a great sandwich, and I can only eat one, I'm going for the great sandwich.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Ivara1 wrote:
What are these "formations" that you keep referring too? Is that some Necro only thing?

Formations are groups of units that, when taken together, grant special rules to every unit in the group. They are not special to Necrons, most other armies have formations that are published through dataslates. Fortunately, the Necron codex conttains these formations.

The Necron Decurion system of putting an army together can be used instead of the Combined Arms Detachment system presented in the Main rulebook. A Decurion consists entirely of formations. There are 2 mandatory formations...the Reclamation Legion, and then 1 choice from the Auxiliary formations presented in the codex. You can add aditional formations, as well, if you have the points leftover to do so.

For example, I've been running a Decurion detachment with the mandatory Reclamation Legion formation, and the Destroyer Cult formation as my manadatory Auxiliary formation.

If you use the Decurion, you get a +1 bonus to Reanimation Protocols army-wide (for units that have RP, anyways), and this is no small benefit.




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 Desubot wrote:
Isnt that box it self also a formation? i remember some box sets where like that.

like the space marine that has a Data slate on BL

Edit: He could always not run the formations too since they are still good in of it self

I don't know if the Tomb Awakened boxset comes with any rules to make its contents a formation. Never seen it opened.

It's true that our fine OP could choose not run formations...but "Why not?", says I. If someone offers me both a good sandwich, and a great sandwich, and I can only eat one, I'm going for the great sandwich.

Thank you for clarifying! Do you or anyone else have any idea on why "The Tomb Awakened" is not sold anymore on their webstore?

I think it was a limited release that came out when the new Necron codex came out, but I don't know for sure.

 jasper76 wrote:
I think it was a limited release that came out when the new Necron codex came out, but I don't know for sure.

Are the Necron models new,? Are for an example the Warriors old and outdated? Are there any models that will go OOP?

I don't know how old the current Necron boxes are.

However, the new codex was published just a couple months ago, so none of the Necron units GW is currently selling are going OOP anytime soon.

 jasper76 wrote:

It's true that our fine OP could choose not run formations...but "Why not?", says I. If someone offers me both a good sandwich, and a great sandwich, and I can only eat one, I'm going for the great sandwich.

Well since he be new? (Relatively since he seems to only have DV)

That way he can get a feel for the individual parts before having to commit to getting more things.

since a CAD honestly isnt that bad and every single one of those parts work fine on there own before formations

And to add if he is new then he is most likely playing against new people and rofl stomping people constantly isnt really going to teach him much.

 Desubot wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

It's true that our fine OP could choose not run formations...but "Why not?", says I. If someone offers me both a good sandwich, and a great sandwich, and I can only eat one, I'm going for the great sandwich.

Well since he be new? (Relatively since he seems to only have DV)

That way he can get a feel for the individual parts before having to commit to getting more things.

since a CAD honestly isnt that bad and every single one of those parts work fine on there own before formations

And to add if he is new then he is most likely playing against new people and rofl stomping people constantly isnt really going to teach him much.

I only have my littlebrother to play against. He owns the Dark Angels part of the DV set. Would the "Tomb Awakened" roflstomp his army?

without formation it will be Fairly difficult

Triarch Stalker: Kinda supports with BS+ and has a decent gun. DV has no real ranged anti tank so it will be VERY difficult to kill

Lychguard: storm shield and AP2 power weapons that go before power fists in Close combat. incredibly scary stuff (IIRC i forget if these are these guys or the other one)

Canoptek Wraiths: INCREDIBLY Hard to kill and near impossible in the harvest formation. T5 3++ with 2 wounds each will take more than the number of bullets DV DA has though i guess with an ok number of plasma it would be ok.

Immortals can have the tesla gun that gest extra hits on 6s and generally kills infantry well IIRC or can get ap3 guns which just hurts marines even more

The Barge is kinda meh but the command barge can be good with LD bonus and av13. (Though past edition might be coloring my judgment)


AV13 on the barge and the stalker makes it very hard on Dark angels. from DV

Formations just adds more to that. but it depends on the points you are playing.

 Desubot wrote:
without formation it will be Fairly difficult

Triarch Stalker: Kinda supports with BS+ and has a decent gun. DV has no real ranged anti tank so it will be VERY difficult to kill

Lychguard: storm shield and AP2 power weapons that go before power fists in Close combat. incredibly scary stuff (IIRC i forget if these are these guys or the other one)

Canoptek Wraiths: INCREDIBLY Hard to kill and near impossible in the harvest formation. T5 3++ with 2 wounds each will take more than the number of bullets DV DA has though i guess with an ok number of plasma it would be ok.

Immortals can have the tesla gun that gest extra hits on 6s and generally kills infantry well IIRC or can get ap3 guns which just hurts marines even more

The Barge is kinda meh but the command barge can be good with LD bonus and av13. (Though past edition might be coloring my judgment)


AV13 on the barge and the stalker makes it very hard on Dark angels. from DV

Formations just adds more to that. but it depends on the points you are playing.

Is there anything I could leave out when I play against him?

(edited out, I think I misunderstood the question)

If it is bear bones DA from DV.

Its roughly 800 points for DA IIRC

I do not have the new cron book or points costs but going by the older one ish. Taking everything will add up to about 800ish. mabye more.

you might have to take out the Barge or stalker which i would suggest since DV basicly have no anti tank. (IIRC)

Wraiths while nasty wont be aaaaas bad as having a full unit of 6 or 3++ 4++++ silly ness.

i think 3 would be ok to handle. DV literally wouldn't be able to deal with the stalker or barge at range. (only hope would be CC with the Chain fist. which its possible to do but we are talking terminators here :/)