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Okay, maybe someone can clear this up for me.

Is the Imperium capable of producing new Power/psy weapons (I.E. Librarian psy swords)

It's a bet between me and a buddy, I say they can, but only done by higher ranking mechanicus.

Seeing as power weapons are often given to low ranking guardsmen such as sergeants, yes they probably can do so.

Force weapons =/= power weapons

The former are specifically for the psychically-capable and can channel warp energy, whereas the latter have an energy field field that can be turned on and off. Both are still manufactured but the latter are manufactured in far greater numbers.

think its they can make low quality weapons, not the good stuff or the relic blades, they are a lost art, the guardsman's power weapon is no where near the quality of a pre heresy space marine relic.

even the greatest artifiers and skilled tech priest cannot replicate the oldest blades.

And then other than the Relic Blades we have the Paragon Blades, who were wielded by only the highest-ranking officers even during the Great Crusade, and it's unknown if any at all still exist in 40k.

Basic power weapons are very much still made.

The Relic Blade entry in the vanilla Codex says: "Most originated in the dark days of the Horus Heresy, although some have been crafted in the long centuries since, in commemoration of other momentous events."

They aren't mass produced because that would defeat the point, they are ceremonial weapons, but they are still more than capable of making them.

Paragon Blade and Relic Blade are basically* the same thing, they are two different game designers takes on two handed smashey stuff, in the same way that the 30k Graviton Gun and 40k Grav Gun are the same designers take on the RT Graviton Gun.

* although the Paragon Blade also states that it can include some chain weapons and other things as well as the more common two-handed power blade, whilst the Relic Blade does specify a two-handed power weapon.

Force Weapons are still manufactured, but that has nothing to do with Power Weapons. We're talking about two entirely different things here, each requiring entirely different things in their construction.

However, both Force Weapons and Power Weapons are still manufactured by the Imperium.

The Blade of Admonition, one of the most holy relics in the entire Imperium, was forged in M.36.

The codex entry for the Glaives Encarmine, which apparently never scratch, break, or warp, implies that the Blood Angels do still know how to make them.

While only high-ranking specialist Tech-Priests generally make them, power swords of that quality aren't a lost art. Magos Bure does some work of this caliber for Eisenhorn, once when etching pentagrammic wards into Barbarisater and again when he reforges it.

 Orblivion wrote:
The codex entry for the Glaives Encarmine, which apparently never scratch, break, or warp, implies that the Blood Angels do still know how to make them.

They have to have something to make up for not actually being Glaives, I guess.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
The codex entry for the Glaives Encarmine, which apparently never scratch, break, or warp, implies that the Blood Angels do still know how to make them.

They have to have something to make up for not actually being Glaives, I guess.

Ha, true. Also for the fact that they're quite underwhelming in TT.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
The codex entry for the Glaives Encarmine, which apparently never scratch, break, or warp, implies that the Blood Angels do still know how to make them.

They have to have something to make up for not actually being Glaives, I guess.

Ha, true. Also for the fact that they're quite underwhelming in TT.

But hey, no scratches. Thats a big deal, eh?

Sure helps when on parade or during inspection.

 Supertony51 wrote:
Okay, maybe someone can clear this up for me.

Is the Imperium capable of producing new Power/psy weapons (I.E. Librarian psy swords)

It's a bet between me and a buddy, I say they can, but only done by higher ranking mechanicus.

Producing power weapons is a non-issue for the Imperium as they have the know how and turning out power swords doesn't take a ton of industrial capability. But the nature of the IOMs military forces has changed, hugely, since the heresy. Whereas before you had low millions of extremely well equipped and well organized transhumanist commandos running around wrecking things, now you have a barely organized rabble of hundreds of billions of guardsmen deploying almost at random throughout the galaxy and crushing enemies by reducing their mobility with a massive invasion followed by crippling tube and aerial bombardment. In the old system the proportion of power weapons was much, much higher, probably almost 1 in 10 or more fighting men carried a power weapon. Now, since the average trooper isn't a 8 foot tall superhuman, you get less return on your investment so other weapons are prioritized. They haven't lost the ability too though, by any means.

And Force weapons are juiced up power weapons in the crunch, but I believe that in the background most force weapons derive their penetrating capabilities from the psyker itself. It's not like a power weapon with added capabilities, but something entirely different.

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure helps when on parade or during inspection.

Any damage done to a blade is largely impossible to fully repair. If your blade chinks, chips, scratches, notched, or otherwise damaged, reforging is just going to produce something even weaker. And if it's made of adamantium, good luck heating that stuff up again in a timely manner. So a blade that doesn't scratch is a pretty big deal, as once a blade takes damage the only way to really get it back to its original quality is to get a new one.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure helps when on parade or during inspection.

Any damage done to a blade is largely impossible to fully repair. If your blade chinks, chips, scratches, notched, or otherwise damaged, reforging is just going to produce something even weaker. And if it's made of adamantium, good luck heating that stuff up again in a timely manner. So a blade that doesn't scratch is a pretty big deal, as once a blade takes damage the only way to really get it back to its original quality is to get a new one.

That depends. I wouldn't be surprised if the "unscratchable" blades actually just have nanite repair bots integrated into the blade which repair damage and keep it sharp. Thus giving the illusion of it never scratching, its just the scratches get fixed almost immediately.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Sure helps when on parade or during inspection.

Any damage done to a blade is largely impossible to fully repair. If your blade chinks, chips, scratches, notched, or otherwise damaged, reforging is just going to produce something even weaker. And if it's made of adamantium, good luck heating that stuff up again in a timely manner. So a blade that doesn't scratch is a pretty big deal, as once a blade takes damage the only way to really get it back to its original quality is to get a new one.

That depends. I wouldn't be surprised if the "unscratchable" blades actually just have nanite repair bots integrated into the blade which repair damage and keep it sharp. Thus giving the illusion of it never scratching, its just the scratches get fixed almost immediately.

More likely just absurdly good metallurgy in 40K. Power Swords already can cleave clean through bulkheads while suffering zero damage to the blade.

Well thats because of the power field, which destabilizes matter it cuts through. I guarantee its not because the sword is that sharp.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That depends. I wouldn't be surprised if the "unscratchable" blades actually just have nanite repair bots integrated into the blade which repair damage and keep it sharp. Thus giving the illusion of it never scratching, its just the scratches get fixed almost immediately.

It is mentioned in the codex that the Glaives are made out of "angelsteel", "whose secrets are known only to the artificers of the Blood Angels, these blades never scratch, warp or break, no matter what violence they are subjected to." Doesn't sound like any nanite tomfoolery to me. Although it begs the question, why not make everything out of it?

Well Nanites would also make the blade stronger but weaving carbon nanotubes into the alloy and keeping them intact.

I'm sure the "unbreakable" claim is hyperbole. Nothing is truly unbreakable, but they could be nearly indestructible by any force you'd reasonably expect them to encounter. So relatively speaking they would be unbreakable.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well Nanites would also make the blade stronger but weaving carbon nanotubes into the alloy and keeping them intact.

I'm sure the "unbreakable" claim is hyperbole. Nothing is truly unbreakable, but they could be nearly indestructible by any force you'd reasonably expect them to encounter. So relatively speaking they would be unbreakable.

40k as a setting is hyperbole, doesn't mean the claims aren't true within the setting.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well Nanites would also make the blade stronger but weaving carbon nanotubes into the alloy and keeping them intact.

I'm sure the "unbreakable" claim is hyperbole. Nothing is truly unbreakable, but they could be nearly indestructible by any force you'd reasonably expect them to encounter. So relatively speaking they would be unbreakable.

Do you even know what nanites are? Just asking.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well Nanites would also make the blade stronger but weaving carbon nanotubes into the alloy and keeping them intact.

I'm sure the "unbreakable" claim is hyperbole. Nothing is truly unbreakable, but they could be nearly indestructible by any force you'd reasonably expect them to encounter. So relatively speaking they would be unbreakable.

Do you even know what nanites are? Just asking.

Yes. Nanorobots which can perform a huge variety of tasks, from repair on the atomic level to constructions and many other things.

They could easily repair and maintain a sword that was strengthened with carbon nanotubes.

 Orblivion wrote:


It is mentioned in the codex that the Glaives are made out of "angelsteel", "whose secrets are known only to the artificers of the Blood Angels, these blades never scratch, warp or break, no matter what violence they are subjected to." Although it begs the question, why not make everything out of it?

We have a material today, Tungsten Carbide (WC), that is harder than steet, stronger than steel, corrosion resistant, and can deal with extreme heat. It's better than steel in just about any property we can think of, often by a ratio of near 2 to 1. We use it to make drill bits and the like, which can drill straight through hardened steel. Yet we still use steel. We still use a lot of steel, tons and tons of it. It's cheaper to produce and easier to work.

The idea that in the grim dark future of the 41st millenium that simple logistics and economics will have gone away are pure silliness.

 Exergy wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:


It is mentioned in the codex that the Glaives are made out of "angelsteel", "whose secrets are known only to the artificers of the Blood Angels, these blades never scratch, warp or break, no matter what violence they are subjected to." Although it begs the question, why not make everything out of it?

We have a material today, Tungsten Carbide (WC), that is harder than steet, stronger than steel, corrosion resistant, and can deal with extreme heat. It's better than steel in just about any property we can think of, often by a ratio of near 2 to 1. We use it to make drill bits and the like, which can drill straight through hardened steel. Yet we still use steel. We still use a lot of steel, tons and tons of it. It's cheaper to produce and easier to work.

The idea that in the grim dark future of the 41st millenium that simple logistics and economics will have gone away are pure silliness.

I don't mean the entire Imperium, but for the Blood Angels to have access to this and use it exclusively for two-handed weapons wielded by a group of only 30 people seems oddly specific to me. Mostly though, I was pointing out that to state or even imply that a faction has access to an effectively indestructible material is stupid.

That indestructible material is likely a limited commodity just like the blades the DA Chapter Masters use which is from a meteor if memory serves.