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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 12:29:26
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 12:37:50
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Xenomancers wrote:
It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
How about saying that's your argument straight away instead of posting random images instead?
Further, the definition of a tyrant is someone who has usurped legal power and rules as an absolute ruler. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Roosevelt Administration, and FDR was reelected (i.e. had his legitimacy reaffirmed) after the Gold Reserve Act was passed. You're going to have to spin awfully hard to make that illegitimate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 12:50:13
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
How about saying that's your argument straight away instead of posting random images instead?
Further, the definition of a tyrant is someone who has usurped legal power and rules as an absolute ruler. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Roosevelt Administration, and FDR was reelected (i.e. had his legitimacy reaffirmed) after the Gold Reserve Act was passed. You're going to have to spin awfully hard to make that illegitimate.
Usurping power is essentially using powers you don't have - when the powers of congress were written - I guaranty you there was no intent to allow the government to confiscate the entire nations gold. If TJ or BF were alive at the time I'm sure they would have fought FDR to the death in a dual in resistance to such a tyrannical act. There was plenty of "spin" going on in congress to go about confiscating an entire nations personal property which is protected under it's own constitution. Just like the spin going on today to pass obamacare as a national law. The vague writing of the enumerated powers of congress are essentially unlimited with any amount of spin and a corrupt political system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 12:59:28
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Dakka Veteran
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Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
How about saying that's your argument straight away instead of posting random images instead?
Further, the definition of a tyrant is someone who has usurped legal power and rules as an absolute ruler. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Roosevelt Administration, and FDR was reelected (i.e. had his legitimacy reaffirmed) after the Gold Reserve Act was passed. You're going to have to spin awfully hard to make that illegitimate.
Usurping power is essentially using powers you don't have - when the powers of congress were written - I guaranty you there was no intent to allow the government to confiscate the entire nations gold. If TJ or BF were alive at the time I'm sure they would have fought FDR to the death in dual in resistance such a tyrannical act. There was plenty of "spin" going on in congress to make confiscating an entire nations personal property which is protected under it's own constitution. Just like the spin going on today to pass obamacare as a national law. The vague writing of the enumerated powers of congress are essentially unlimited with any amount of spin and a corrupt political system.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but do realize when it comes to whether or not a government law/action is constitutional or not the opinion of SCUS holds more weight then the opinion of some random guy on the internet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:19:28
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:28:01
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
My wife will spend it just fine, either way.
Another Contender!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:28:21
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Blood Hawk wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
How about saying that's your argument straight away instead of posting random images instead?
Further, the definition of a tyrant is someone who has usurped legal power and rules as an absolute ruler. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Roosevelt Administration, and FDR was reelected (i.e. had his legitimacy reaffirmed) after the Gold Reserve Act was passed. You're going to have to spin awfully hard to make that illegitimate.
Usurping power is essentially using powers you don't have - when the powers of congress were written - I guaranty you there was no intent to allow the government to confiscate the entire nations gold. If TJ or BF were alive at the time I'm sure they would have fought FDR to the death in dual in resistance such a tyrannical act. There was plenty of "spin" going on in congress to make confiscating an entire nations personal property which is protected under it's own constitution. Just like the spin going on today to pass obamacare as a national law. The vague writing of the enumerated powers of congress are essentially unlimited with any amount of spin and a corrupt political system.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but do realize when it comes to whether or not a government law/action is constitutional or not the opinion of SCUS holds more weight then the opinion of some random guy on the internet.
Ofc it's just my opinion - FDR had a rough situation and he took extremely drastic measures. It just so happens overnight the US government became the richest government in history by taking all it's citizens most valuable property. Theres something unamerican about that. I don't think it's worthy of praise. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
It's part of our countries heritage to not remove established icons of American history from our currency - regardless of the great deeds of others.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:45:04
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
It's part of our countries heritage to not remove established icons of American history from our currency - regardless of the great deeds of others. Oh. Hi guys. Remember me? Wait, we already had a chick on our money! Way before it was PC!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:51:07
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I think we need Carol Burnett on the $20. I'm so glad we had this time together, just to have a laugh, or sing a song...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 13:51:39
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Nah. Tim Conway in drag. Those skits were always a hoot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:05:39
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Xenomancers wrote: Blood Hawk wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote:
It's not troll - FDR confiscated the US entire populations gold in the NEW deal. It is the definition of tyranny.
How about saying that's your argument straight away instead of posting random images instead?
Further, the definition of a tyrant is someone who has usurped legal power and rules as an absolute ruler. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the Roosevelt Administration, and FDR was reelected (i.e. had his legitimacy reaffirmed) after the Gold Reserve Act was passed. You're going to have to spin awfully hard to make that illegitimate.
Usurping power is essentially using powers you don't have - when the powers of congress were written - I guaranty you there was no intent to allow the government to confiscate the entire nations gold. If TJ or BF were alive at the time I'm sure they would have fought FDR to the death in dual in resistance such a tyrannical act. There was plenty of "spin" going on in congress to make confiscating an entire nations personal property which is protected under it's own constitution. Just like the spin going on today to pass obamacare as a national law. The vague writing of the enumerated powers of congress are essentially unlimited with any amount of spin and a corrupt political system.
You are entitled to your opinion of course, but do realize when it comes to whether or not a government law/action is constitutional or not the opinion of SCUS holds more weight then the opinion of some random guy on the internet.
Ofc it's just my opinion - FDR had a rough situation and he took extremely drastic measures. It just so happens overnight the US government became the richest government in history by taking all it's citizens most valuable property. Theres something unamerican about that. I don't think it's worthy of praise.
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Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
It's part of our countries heritage to not remove established icons of American history from our currency - regardless of the great deeds of others.
In other words, not to have a woman on the currency
Pale, male and stale is what you like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:07:21
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Don't ask, don't tell, KK. You know that! Thankfully, that's what my wife likes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:14:48
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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kronk wrote:
Nah. Tim Conway in drag. Those skits were always a hoot.
Thats a winner right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:24:35
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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"In other words, not to have a woman on the currency
Pale, male and stale is what you like."
I have no problem with creating a new bill or coin to commemorate a great woman. In fact, I think it's a good idea. It shouldn't be at the expense of another though. It also shouldn't be a PC statement, which is exactly what this is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:25:24
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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FYI... the US does have female on US currency:
Circulating Coins:
Helen Keller on the reverse of the Alabama quarter: 2003
Sacagawea on the dollar coin: 1999-Present
Susan B. Anthony on the dollar coin: 1979-1981
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 14:45:06
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Kilkrazy wrote:
In other words, not to have a woman on the currency
Pale, male and stale is what you like.
Troll much, brah?
We get it. It's tired.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 15:19:09
Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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We should put Columbus on the bill, just to tick of SJW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 15:19:52
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Colonel
This Is Where the Fish Lives
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Xenomancers wrote:It's part of our countries heritage to not remove established icons of American history from our currency - regardless of the great deeds of others.
No, it really isn't. Our money has changed quite a bit over the years, something I'm sure you're aware of, correct?
For instance, Martha Washington was featured on the 1886 $1 silver certificate and Running Antelope was on the face of the 1899 $5 silver certificate. The current stable of portraits featured on Federal Reserve Notes have been around since 1914, the year after the Federal Reserve Act was passed.
Stop acting like our money is some sort of monolithic establishment that cannot be changed in any way because some people think it would be nice to have a black woman on a note.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 15:31:26
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Stop acting like our money is some sort of monolithic establishment that cannot be changed in any way because some people think it would be nice to have a black woman on a note.
I agree with the first part.
Except I don't think, in the context of American History, Tubman is nearly as important or impactful as Jackson. And it's really not that close.
I'd certainly advocate for MLK before her. Hell, put Frederick Douglas on there, if the ultimate goal is to get a black person on currency.
Tubman, to me, just doesn't rank high enough on the "important women" list to displace Jackson, who did far more to shape our nation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 15:48:19
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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cincydooley wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Stop acting like our money is some sort of monolithic establishment that cannot be changed in any way because some people think it would be nice to have a black woman on a note.
I agree with the first part.
Except I don't think, in the context of American History, Tubman is nearly as important or impactful as Jackson. And it's really not that close.
I'd certainly advocate for MLK before her. Hell, put Frederick Douglas on there, if the ultimate goal is to get a black person on currency.
Tubman, to me, just doesn't rank high enough on the "important women" list to displace Jackson, who did far more to shape our nation.
I'm now inspired. i want Miss Piggy on the $5.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 16:19:45
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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This Is Where the Fish Lives
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cincydooley wrote:I agree with the first part.
Except I don't think, in the context of American History, Tubman is nearly as important or impactful as Jackson. And it's really not that close.
I'd certainly advocate for MLK before her. Hell, put Frederick Douglas on there, if the ultimate goal is to get a black person on currency.
Tubman, to me, just doesn't rank high enough on the "important women" list to displace Jackson, who did far more to shape our nation.
Douglas and Tubman worked together for the abolitionist cause, she was a spy for the Union during the Civil War, and was a suffrage activist before her death. She's an American icon for feths sake; a patriot and humanitarian and ironically enough, every single person commenting on this thread has known exactly who she was many of whom claiming she isn't "important enough" to go a fething bill. She part of a small group of people from history that Americans from all walks of life recognize, but yet not worthy to have her face on money? She has inspired generations that have followed her, been praised by political leaders on both sides of the aisle, and is easily one of the most celebrated civilians in our history.
Sorry, I just don't understand the need to downplay her significance to American history what she's meant to people. Will she replace Jackson on the $20 bill? Probably not, but at least she isn't responsible for cursing the US with Florida.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 16:24:28
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 16:38:39
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: cincydooley wrote:I agree with the first part.
Except I don't think, in the context of American History, Tubman is nearly as important or impactful as Jackson. And it's really not that close.
I'd certainly advocate for MLK before her. Hell, put Frederick Douglas on there, if the ultimate goal is to get a black person on currency.
Tubman, to me, just doesn't rank high enough on the "important women" list to displace Jackson, who did far more to shape our nation.
Douglas and Tubman worked together for the abolitionist cause, she was a spy for the Union during the Civil War, and was a suffrage activist before her death. She's an American icon for feths sake; a patriot and humanitarian and ironically enough, every single person commenting on this thread has known exactly who she was many of whom claiming she isn't "important enough" to go a fething bill. She part of a small group of people from history that Americans from all walks of life recognize, but yet not worthy to have her face on money? She has inspired generations that have followed her, been praised by political leaders on both sides of the aisle, and is easily one of the most celebrated civilians in our history.
Sorry, I just don't understand the need to downplay her significance to American history what she's meant to people. Will she replace Jackson on the $20 bill? Probably not, but at least she isn't responsible for cursing the US with Florida.
All of which is why I think she'd be brilliant as a collectors coin, or whatnot. The Mint did a whole U.S. Presidents series, right?
I'd be all about a "Heroes of the Abolitionist Movement" series or a "Heroes of Sufferage" series. To me that would be entirely appropriate.
Hell, if I had my druthers they'd move Jefferson to the $20 and off that good for nothing $2 note.
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Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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How about this. We put Obama on every bill and coin, he is our savior after all.
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Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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hotsauceman1 wrote:How about this. We put Obama on every bill and coin, he is our savior after all.
Already in the works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/14 17:08:03
Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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stanman wrote:Dead presidents and historical figures are so boring, get rid of all of them and replace our bills with Wrestlemania
$1,000 - Iron Sheik
$100 - Hulk Hogan
$50 - Andre the Giant
$20 - Nikolai Volkoff
$10 - Mr T
$5 - King Kong Bundy
$1 - Roddy Piper
Excuse me, where is Macho Man Randy Savage?!?
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Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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jreilly89 wrote: stanman wrote:Dead presidents and historical figures are so boring, get rid of all of them and replace our bills with Wrestlemania
$1,000 - Iron Sheik
$100 - Hulk Hogan
$50 - Andre the Giant
$20 - Nikolai Volkoff
$10 - Mr T
$5 - King Kong Bundy
$1 - Roddy Piper
Excuse me, where is Macho Man Randy Savage?!?
(Smacks self in head) How could we have missed Macho Man????
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Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Krazed Killa Kan
Homestead, FL
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Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
Anyone else find it amusing that we have a "Mod" trolling so hard?
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Subject: Re:Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Its Kilkrazy. He's harmless
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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Subject: Petition to put Harriet tubman on the 20$ bill delivered to white house.
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Ghazkuul wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:It's part of your county's heritage not to have a woman on the currency.
Anyone else find it amusing that we have a "Mod" trolling so hard?
If we report a mod, will the site implode?
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