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So, admittedly I haven’t played a lot of 7th edition 40k. Truth be told, I’m not all that happy about some of the rules and the lack of cohesion in the codex books and list designs. I’m not trying to knock anyone that is enjoying the current edition; I’m just saying that it’s not my cup of tea.

However, rather than just box my army up on a shelf or sell it on eBay, I’ve decided to go old school and start playing 5th edition again. Fortunately, I’ve found a couple guys in my area that share the same feelings about the newer editions and we're going to start playing 5th edition regularly.
When you look at this hobby from the outset the whole purpose is entertainment and it doesn’t matter what edition you play. However, I’m tired of trying to understand GW’s direction and I’ve just about had it with the way they re-package the same material to sell you over and over again. In many regards going back and playing an older edition, any edition, just makes sense to me. From a financial standpoint, playing 5th edition is a lot cheaper since you can find the rules and codex books online or in stores for a fraction of what they previously cost. You don’t have to worry about flyers, fortifications, formations, forge world, allies, super heavies, titans, unbound armies, ect. Basically, the codex is your comp. You pick your army and build your list. I realize you can still play that way in 7th edition, but again I’m not a fan of a lot of the 7th edition rules.

I realize there are all kinds of knocks on 5th edition. If you want to say that the lists in 5th aren’t any better balanced, you may be right; but I would argue that for the most part we already know what those lists are and there is a familiarity to seeing them and knowing how to beat them. Plus, I doubt if anyone in my area will immediately go out and rebuild the Draigo-Wing, the Leaf Blower, the Ork Death-Rolla spam, or the Space Wolf Razorback spam. (I’ve played my Wolves for years and I seriously doubt if I’ve ever brought more than 2 Razorbacks to any of my games.) While I enjoy a competitive game, my main goal again is entertainment.

I don’t want to turn this into a rant, but personally I see GW has become a victim of their own creation. I think new players into the hobby are turned away now more than ever due to the abundance of rules, the cost of the new units, and the lack of an organized playing structure. The artwork and the models are beautiful, but in the last 11 years going back to 2004 we’ve had 4 editions of the same game. What that basically tells me is that their only consistency is inconsistency and I personally believe that the only driving force behind the newest edition are the T.O.’s and their efforts to try and create a fun, competitive environment that’s inviting for everyone. I actually believe that if those same T.O.’s running events today refocused their efforts and led the charge in going back to an older edition, that GW might raise an eyebrow just as Wizards of the Coast did with 4th edition D&D.

Anyway, I’ll get off the soap box now. Anyone that lives in my area and wants to join in and play some old school 5th edition, just drop me a PM.

Great idea, the GW police will not kick in your door because your playing 5th edition. Also like you said it's a great way to save money on books since you can pick up the old codex (if you threw them out) for a few bucks.

So basically, play the devil (edition) you know versus the devil (edition) you don't? Meh, not really my cup of tea, but to each their own.

I had the exact same epiphany a few months ago and haven't regretted it, good luck to you and your friends.

I so envy you. I had the most fun playing 5th and start of 6th. Best edition for me.

5th Edition is considered old school now? Wow, that makes me feel old for thinking 2nd Edition is old school.

Thanks all, I'm actually pretty jazzed up to start playing 5th edition again.

5th edition is by no means perfect, but it was my favorite edition to play and I've been in the hobby since '96. At this point I feel like I've just got way too much time, money, and entertainment vested in the hobby to shelve my army or sell it off when an easy fix would be to just play an edition that we already know is enjoyable.

I may even post up a battle report or two when this starts to take off.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
5th Edition is considered old school now? Wow, that makes me feel old for thinking 2nd Edition is old school.

You may have a point... 5th edition may be more "Middle School" but I don't feel like changing the title of the thread.

See I wouldnt actually mind going back and playing with the old BT codex, and actually I would kind of prefer going back and playing with the old Orks codex. That was a lot of fun, and you can better believe there will be deff-rolla spam.

While the people in my area seem to keep up with the new rules quite a bit I can only imagine there will be a tipping point somewhere along the line.

I liked 5th edition a lot. If you and your group have an edition you enjoyed most, then have at it!

I like 7th edition fine, just not with super heavies. Fliers I've learned to accept. Super heavies? They can feth right the hell off back to Apoc.

I've toyed with the idea of writing "lustigjh edition" aka fixing things my group dislikes and just playing that. Time has been the limiting factor

Third edition with bare bone codices, minus screening, assaulting from rhinos and sweepng advance. That's old school

lustigjh wrote:
I've toyed with the idea of writing "lustigjh edition" aka fixing things my group dislikes and just playing that. Time has been the limiting factor

Yeah, originally my thought was moving towards building a set of House Rules for 7th, however as I began removing and changing things I got closer and closer to 5th which presented the question, "Why not just play 5th edition and not change anything?" I'm not saying that 5th is perfect, but I wanted to use rules set that was affordable and accessable to anyone and everyone.

If you look around the forum, it's full of threads for people that are unhappy with the current game for one reason or another. In my humble opinion, the game of 40k we see today looks more and more like Apocalypse than anything else. While I like Apoc, I like my 40k games separate. I'm not a huge fan of allies, or the need for them to be competitive. I'm not a huge fan of the psychic phase as it currently works, and I think units like Knights, super heavies, and Strength D weapons belong on a different scale of game than what I want to play on a regular basis... Again, that's just my opinion.

I just don't understand why someone feels like they should just shelve or sell all their stuff, because they're unhappy with the current rules. I mean, if you're only purpose with your army is to play in tournaments and you don't want to use your army in 7th edition tourney play, I understand that. However, what if there was a movement for leagues and tournaments to go back to an older edition? I wonder how many people would want to play in that? I'd bet with enough advertising, a 5th edition event would sell out and possibly even faster than a 7th edition tourney would.

 Wolflord Patrick wrote:
So, admittedly I haven’t played a lot of 7th edition 40k. Truth be told, I’m not all that happy about some of the rules and the lack of cohesion in the codex books and list designs. I’m not trying to knock anyone that is enjoying the current edition; I’m just saying that it’s not my cup of tea.

However, rather than just box my army up on a shelf or sell it on eBay, I’ve decided to go old school and start playing 5th edition again. Fortunately, I’ve found a couple guys in my area that share the same feelings about the newer editions and we're going to start playing 5th edition regularly.
When you look at this hobby from the outset the whole purpose is entertainment and it doesn’t matter what edition you play. However, I’m tired of trying to understand GW’s direction and I’ve just about had it with the way they re-package the same material to sell you over and over again. In many regards going back and playing an older edition, any edition, just makes sense to me. From a financial standpoint, playing 5th edition is a lot cheaper since you can find the rules and codex books online or in stores for a fraction of what they previously cost. You don’t have to worry about flyers, fortifications, formations, forge world, allies, super heavies, titans, unbound armies, ect. Basically, the codex is your comp. You pick your army and build your list. I realize you can still play that way in 7th edition, but again I’m not a fan of a lot of the 7th edition rules.

I realize there are all kinds of knocks on 5th edition. If you want to say that the lists in 5th aren’t any better balanced, you may be right; but I would argue that for the most part we already know what those lists are and there is a familiarity to seeing them and knowing how to beat them. Plus, I doubt if anyone in my area will immediately go out and rebuild the Draigo-Wing, the Leaf Blower, the Ork Death-Rolla spam, or the Space Wolf Razorback spam. (I’ve played my Wolves for years and I seriously doubt if I’ve ever brought more than 2 Razorbacks to any of my games.) While I enjoy a competitive game, my main goal again is entertainment.

I don’t want to turn this into a rant, but personally I see GW has become a victim of their own creation. I think new players into the hobby are turned away now more than ever due to the abundance of rules, the cost of the new units, and the lack of an organized playing structure. The artwork and the models are beautiful, but in the last 11 years going back to 2004 we’ve had 4 editions of the same game. What that basically tells me is that their only consistency is inconsistency and I personally believe that the only driving force behind the newest edition are the T.O.’s and their efforts to try and create a fun, competitive environment that’s inviting for everyone. I actually believe that if those same T.O.’s running events today refocused their efforts and led the charge in going back to an older edition, that GW might raise an eyebrow just as Wizards of the Coast did with 4th edition D&D.

Anyway, I’ll get off the soap box now. Anyone that lives in my area and wants to join in and play some old school 5th edition, just drop me a PM.

Why 5th though? Don't you prefer 4th more?

I'm not against playing 4th or 3rd for that matter, but there are a couple reasons to play 5th..

1. I like the "Run" option for units not shooting in the shooting phase.

2. The codex updates in 5th cover almost all the armies except Tau, Chaos, Eldar, Dark Angels, and Black Templars. All are still playable and somewhat competitive in 5th. (With the possible exception to Tau and DA.)

3. I have extra copies of the mini 5th edition rulebook to loan out to friends that are coming back to the game.

If I ever play another game of 40K again it will be 4th edition. I have no problems with units that exist now that didn't exist in the codexs of the day. All flyers just become fast skimmers and things like dreadknights, riptides, wraithknights will get custom point costs because well, at this point, everything is actually custom.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
So basically, play the devil (edition) you know versus the devil (edition) you don't? Meh, not really my cup of tea, but to each their own.

Except rulebooks for the devil he knows will be much, much cheaper.

Really, 3rd, 4th, and 5th were all decent editions (relative to 40k of course) that were just as good rules wise as 7th. It's telling that, for all the changes that GW has made to the game, they haven't significantly fixed the balance problems. For every problem they fix, they create a new one.

 fallinq wrote:

Except rulebooks for the devil he knows will be much, much cheaper.

This ^

However, in all fairness I still have all the 5th (and 4th and 3rd) edition books so there's really nothing I need to purchase. If you go back to my original thread part of my problem with GW is the re-packaging and re-selling of the same stuff over and over. I have 4 different space marine codex books at home going back to 3rd edition and I really don't want to buy a 5th simply because they've changed things around and added a new Rhino and Land Raider variant with some artwork and charged me $60 for it. It's not that I'm priced out of the hobby, I'm just tired of paying for the same stuff over and over again when the ink isn't even dry on the last codex I bought.

I love the hobby and I love the game. (Not so much this edition or GW's direction.) If anything, I give GW an "A" for presentation. The look of the hard bound books and the artwork is absolutely beautiful. However, their rules are all over the place, and they've increased production so much that the life span for some codex books is only a year or two. In that regard, how do you not just stop and say, "WTF GW?"

The only issue I foresee for going to an old edition is stagnation. This is especially true of 5th edition which was the invulnerable parking lot edition. Mostly though this is because there will be no new releases, anticipation, or new models.

Personally, I for one was very happy to see the end of 5ed as I could predict the exact turn by turn of the entire game from the army lists.

Having said that I wish you and your gaming group the best of luck.

5th edition sucked old school go back to 2nd but not being able to move and shoot made the game dull as feck

Am I like the only person that enjoyed 6th? <crickets chirp>

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Am I like the only person that enjoyed 6th? <crickets chirp>

SJ

No, 6th ed was the best as there wasn't any IoM ally shenanigans or formation silliness.

I'm with ya man. Frankly I don't understand why 'the community' continues to just go along with whatever GW puts out. We are clearly unhappy. They are clearly not getting better at anything but cosmetics.

I came back to the hobby for 6th, and a year or two in I'm painting better than ever but these games are just so confusing I don't even have desire to learn. I want to play, I like the hobby, and its a shame to have so much time invested in a good looking army that sits on the shelf.

But these layers and layers and layers of rules, data slates, new codexes every other month if that... detachments, I don't know how anybody with a 40 hour a week job has time to keep up with this.

Obviously some people do and kudos. I'm not the smartest person out there but I think I'm pretty ok at comprehension and what have you. The game is just a complete clusterfeth. How GW could ever believe that they can recruit new players to this convoluted and needlessly confusing game is just outside my wheelhouse.

I've seen enough polls on this site that show 5th edition is the favorite. everyone might not agree but 5th seems to dominate these polls.

Why can't 'the community' stop following GW's poor lead and take a step back and say no. We're not going to buy a bunch of repackaged BS for an ever increasing price tag??

Seriously unless you're in love with flyers, wouldn't it be great if we 40k players backed up a couple editions and sent a message to GW?

People are of course free to do what they want but its nothing but complaining about GW screwing up literally every single thing that they do.... we are playing their game like morons. rant over for now.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
So basically, play the devil (edition) you know versus the devil (edition) you don't? Meh, not really my cup of tea, but to each their own.

More accurately, I think 'play the devil you like versus the devil you don't...'

 ansacs wrote:
The only issue I foresee for going to an old edition is stagnation. This is especially true of 5th edition which was the invulnerable parking lot edition. Mostly though this is because there will be no new releases, anticipation, or new models..

Most of the units added since 5th could be fairly easily retrofitted into 5th, if someone was so inclined.

 Sienisoturi wrote:

Why 5th though? Don't you prefer 4th more?

A lot of people do seem to look back fondly at 4th edition... For me, only 7th edition is worse than 4th was. Although it would be a toss-up between 4th and 6th...

Lol its like me asking to bring things back to 4th edition with invincible skimmers.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Am I like the only person that enjoyed 6th? <crickets chirp>

SJ

I liked 6th, although I psychic spam was pretty nuts. Plus Maelstrom can be fun, or completely onesided.


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SGTPozy wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Am I like the only person that enjoyed 6th? <crickets chirp>

SJ

No, 6th ed was the best as there wasn't any IoM ally shenanigans or formation silliness.

Instead we had silly TauDar ally shenanigans.

VanHallan wrote:
I'm with ya man. Frankly I don't understand why 'the community' continues to just go along with whatever GW puts out. We are clearly unhappy. They are clearly not getting better at anything but cosmetics.

I came back to the hobby for 6th, and a year or two in I'm painting better than ever but these games are just so confusing I don't even have desire to learn. I want to play, I like the hobby, and its a shame to have so much time invested in a good looking army that sits on the shelf.

But these layers and layers and layers of rules, data slates, new codexes every other month if that... detachments, I don't know how anybody with a 40 hour a week job has time to keep up with this.

Obviously some people do and kudos. I'm not the smartest person out there but I think I'm pretty ok at comprehension and what have you. The game is just a complete clusterfeth. How GW could ever believe that they can recruit new players to this convoluted and needlessly confusing game is just outside my wheelhouse.

I've seen enough polls on this site that show 5th edition is the favorite. everyone might not agree but 5th seems to dominate these polls.

Why can't 'the community' stop following GW's poor lead and take a step back and say no. We're not going to buy a bunch of repackaged BS for an ever increasing price tag??

Seriously unless you're in love with flyers, wouldn't it be great if we 40k players backed up a couple editions and sent a message to GW?

People are of course free to do what they want but its nothing but complaining about GW screwing up literally every single thing that they do.... we are playing their game like morons. rant over for now.

Yep, I'm right there with you bro.

Again, my intention isn't to really throw rocks at GW or each of the editions. Who am I to say which is better and which isn't? If GW has done anything, it's provide us with enough editions to pick a favorite. 5th edition was the last one that I truly enjoyed and made the most sense for me to go back to. It's like an old, comfortable pair of jeans that have been sitting in the back of the closet for years and when you finally put them on you wonder why it took you so long to find them.

What I find funny is that in the last 2 days since I started this thread and started talking about going back to play 5th, I've already had 3 guys in my area reach out and talk to me about playing it. In fact, I'm having an easier time finding guys who want to come out and play 5th edition, than I did trying to get a pick-up game to play 7th.

5th edition seems to consistently be the "sweet spot" that most people liked best.

I'm always surprised at finding myself agreeing with that, despite how many problems it had. I never thought I'd prefer 5E over a subsequent edition, 5E had its fair share of problems (Kill Points and Wound Allocation particularly), but it just played so much better as a *game*.

Personally, I'd like to take 5E, add in the 7E embarked passenger effects (e.g. shaken/stunned can apply to passengers), snapfire, rapid fire, FNP, and wound allocation rules, 6E's cover rules, along with 4E VP's instead of Kill Points, and you'd have a pretty stellar ruleset that could really stand the test of time.

7th edition has very poor rules. But I dont mind, I like 7th ed. but I only really started playing in late 6th, so my opinion might be flawed.

happy wargaming,

-Mikey

 Wolflord Patrick wrote:
Thanks all, I'm actually pretty jazzed up to start playing 5th edition again.

5th edition is by no means perfect, but it was my favorite edition to play and I've been in the hobby since '96. At this point I feel like I've just got way too much time, money, and entertainment vested in the hobby to shelve my army or sell it off when an easy fix would be to just play an edition that we already know is enjoyable.

I may even post up a battle report or two when this starts to take off.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
5th Edition is considered old school now? Wow, that makes me feel old for thinking 2nd Edition is old school.

You may have a point... 5th edition may be more "Middle School" but I don't feel like changing the title of the thread.

I say bravo to you and your group. My friend and I have gone back to 4th with the occasional 5th ed dex thrown in. 6th just about nuked 40k around me. I for one would love it if you posted some battle reports, it would be nice to see some reports I actually understand. We played 3 games of 6th and didn't care for it and we didn't even bother with 7th.


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As for 5th being "middle school", to me it's still "new hammer". I started with the end of 2nd, didn't like it, then got sucked in during 3rd.

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SGTPozy wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Am I like the only person that enjoyed 6th? <crickets chirp>

SJ

No, 6th ed was the best as there wasn't any IoM ally shenanigans or formation silliness.

Instead we had silly TauDar ally shenanigans.

Which was nowhere near as bad as what we have today:
Centurions, Draigo, Tiggy and Loth (optional)
Skitarii in drop pods
Grey Knights in drop pods
Etc.