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just a strange thought I had and the likely answer is yes, but can Abhumans such as Ogryns and Ratlings possess the Psyker Mutation? Would make for a quite funny model having an Ogryn Bone Ead shooting lightning from his fingertips With a Hurr-Durr look on its face

Sure, an Ogryn psyker gains the power to count to 4.

It is probably able to happen, but I'm a bit terrified of the outcome. I mean, an ogryn might not realize the dangers of his psyker abilities, easily gets manipulated by a daemon and soon enough the hurr-durr bone 'ead is a 20 foot tall monster eating your men.

Orks runs around being latent psykers. Plus you should play Rogue Trader, the frak-ups from psychic use is hilarious. And the stronger a psyker is the more likely he or she is to be batcrap insane. So a very stupid psyker would be preferred. Plus in the old rules there were like 1% chance that an Ogryn was a psyker, which is a scary thought. I mean 1% of the population being psykers is a significant number.

Something like 1 in 1 million humans in the Imperium are born with an "active" psyker gene. Of these, 1% are strong enough to pass the Sanctioning (the rest are devoured by the Emperor), and of that 1%, only 1% are strong enough to be something more than an Astropath... and it is from these that the Imperial Guard gets its battle-psykers, the Inquisition gets its telepaths and fire-throwers and telekines, and so forth and so on.

So, could an Ogryn be psyker? Certainly. However, they're not likely to possess the willpower to resist the predators of the Warp, nor the intelligence to recognize a daemon with they see one, and would likely fall to possession shortly after manifesting their powers for the first time.

 Psienesis wrote:
Something like 1 in 1 million humans in the Imperium are born with an "active" psyker gene. Of these, 1% are strong enough to pass the Sanctioning (the rest are devoured by the Emperor), and of that 1%, only 1% are strong enough to be something more than an Astropath... and it is from these that the Imperial Guard gets its battle-psykers, the Inquisition gets its telepaths and fire-throwers and telekines, and so forth and so on.

So, could an Ogryn be psyker? Certainly. However, they're not likely to possess the willpower to resist the predators of the Warp, nor the intelligence to recognize a daemon with they see one, and would likely fall to possession shortly after manifesting their powers for the first time.

and there are not that many ogryns to begin with...

Squats had Living Ancestors.

 Psienesis wrote:
Something like 1 in 1 million humans in the Imperium are born with an "active" psyker gene. Of these, 1% are strong enough to pass the Sanctioning (the rest are devoured by the Emperor), and of that 1%, only 1% are strong enough to be something more than an Astropath... and it is from these that the Imperial Guard gets its battle-psykers, the Inquisition gets its telepaths and fire-throwers and telekines, and so forth and so on.

So, could an Ogryn be psyker? Certainly. However, they're not likely to possess the willpower to resist the predators of the Warp, nor the intelligence to recognize a daemon with they see one, and would likely fall to possession shortly after manifesting their powers for the first time.

Willpower and intelligence is not the same (defined in Deathwatch 2010), and I go for fluff that is not what I want fluff to be but what it is. And I think a creature as primitive as an Ogryn would recognize a threat. They would threat anything as a threat as unleashing them in large numbers is like having an Exterminatorum. Plus Ogryns can't be trained, so bringing them infront of Empy seems needless unless you just feed Empy and much passes unnoticed.

Actually the most scary thing about an Ogryn psyker would be to see him using his powers at the max to destroy something totally out of proportions because he thought it was a threat.

Ogryns can be trained. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to teach them to use guns.

As for being intelligent enough to recognise a threat, sure, they might recognise a daemon charging at them across the battlefield as a threat, but a daemon whispering in their head and telling them to do what they want, instead of what those puny people in the silly hats want?

Actually with their simplicity, they are likely to brush it off. Stupid people doesn't work well with subtlety in my mind. Plus Rogue Trader likely has an answer for you there. As they would be too stupid to fall for the tricks of elaborate demons.

You don't have to be machiavellianly complex to corrupt someone. A Khorne daemon could slip in by telling the Ogryn that his boss will be happy if he kills those people, and those people, and those people, and oh look the Ogryn can't concentrate on his mental barriers because he's too busy thinking about killing people. Boom, possession.

A Tzeentch daemon could amplify the Ogryn's claustrophobia and nyctophobia (both being a species trait). The moment it's forced into a chimera, the daemon promises to make it go away if only the Ogryn lets it in. Boom, possession.

A Slaaneshi daemon could work on the Ogryns' very straightforward 3F drives.

A Nurgle Daemon could simply offer to take the pain away when the Ogryn psyker starts dying, and promise it that it's a Good Ogryn and Nurgle loves it.

Ogryns are very simple creatures that are very willing to please. They're like over-grown puppies.

The problem with this is to get the Ogryn to listen. I mean a human has a deeper level of thought. The Ogryn is basically driven by instincts. I mean I wouldn't like being a demon set out to corrupt one as they barely has command of speech. Plus I think people paint them in a far too bright a light. They are survivors, not Hodors. Sure they aim to please, but remember used enmasse they are like a weapon of mass-destruction. Its a reason they are allowed to stay alive despite being mutants.

Appearing as an "avatar of the Emperor" or "celestial servant of the Emperor" is, like, Tzeentchian Tricks 101. This is, after all, how one got the Soul-Drinkers to fall.

With their simple, and simple-minded, faith, getting an Ogryn Psyker to believe the shimmering, pretty shape he sees floating in the air is a servant of the Emperor, and the Emperor has "Great Things" planned for "His favorite servant, large one" would be child's play for just about any Daemon.

Possession would follow within moments, at which point it's all over.

The times Ogryns are reported to have fallen to Chaos is mainly because their handlers falls like on Vraks. Other than that, I have never heard about Chaos-Ogryns in this setting for other reasons. Give me individual examples of demons influencing Ogryns and of I would believe you.

You can count the number of stories containing Ogryns on one hand, with fingers to spare. There's also not any Psyker Ogryns in any publication to even mention.

What we do know, however, is how Psykers "work", how the Sanctioning process works, and what those who aren't Sanctioned are forced to deal with. We also know that people far more intelligent than Ogryn fall to the predations of Daemons all the flipping time.

But you basically answered your own question. On Ogryn worlds, there are no "handlers", it's just a world full of Ogryns (as regular humans would find it exceedingly difficult to live there). If it is the lack of handlers that leads to Ogryns being tempted by Chaos, and falling to it, than a Psychic Ogryn in such a place is basically doomed from the start. There's not a "handler" there to provide directions other than the voice in its head.

I asked for examples, not your opinion. Fine line there, you assume stuff, but I leave assumptions for lawyers. Ogryns has few worlds, but then again they need a harsh environment in order to thrive. If I went by your assumptions most if not all of their psykers would be easily controlled by demons and such, and as noted intelligence and willpower are separate stuff.

There are no currently-existing examples of Ogryn Psykers, though in the way that characters were built in Rogue Trader, there was a 1% chance that an Ogryn could be a Psyker. However, examples of such would rely on saved Army Lists from an edition of the game over 20 years past.

Lexicanum wrote:Ogryns are also used by the forces of Chaos. Known as Ogryn Brutes, Chaos renegades are quick to forcibly conscript them into their ranks. They use crude surgical procedures, combat drugs, and sorcerous rituals to control the beasts and set them upon their enemies. Modified and warped by forbidden methods, these include Ogryn Berserkers and Plague Ogryns.

 Psienesis wrote:
There are no currently-existing examples of Ogryn Psykers, though in the way that characters were built in Rogue Trader, there was a 1% chance that an Ogryn could be a Psyker. However, examples of such would rely on saved Army Lists from an edition of the game over 20 years past.

Lexicanum wrote:Ogryns are also used by the forces of Chaos. Known as Ogryn Brutes, Chaos renegades are quick to forcibly conscript them into their ranks. They use crude surgical procedures, combat drugs, and sorcerous rituals to control the beasts and set them upon their enemies. Modified and warped by forbidden methods, these include Ogryn Berserkers and Plague Ogryns.

It proves my point, they are duped into this. A guy dressed up as a commissar would dupe them, I just think they won't easily fall prey to psychic-phenomena due to their lack of deep thought. There might be no a lack of current examples, but that doesn't mean they ain't there. I prefer to look at evidence,instead of guessing. How many authors has writen about them?

Zero, if you mean Black Library. The only named Ogryn character is from three or four different Imperial Guard Codices over the years.

You guys (and even me, to some extent) are missing one very, very important thing.

You do not have to be duped onto letting a daemon into your brain.

The only way for a psyker to avoid getting possessed by a daemon is by constantly fighting to keep them out.

Daemons are not faeries. They don't need to make bargains. They can lie as much as they like. They do not need to be invited in.

Daemons are agressive, vicious, mystically adept predators, who see psykers not as dupes to be controlled but as meals to be consumed, their bodies as flesh puppets to tear apart and use as fuel for their time in the material plane.

An Ogryn is not too stupid to be tricked by a daemon. An Ogryn is too stupid to be able to fight a daemon off for more than a few hours. The reason there are no Ogryn psykers in 40k is probably because they all die to Perils of the Warp within minutes of manifesting their power, and the only reason that no Ogryn has ended up being attacked by a daemon powerful enough to manifest as a significant threat to the planet is sheer luck.

Willpower and intelligence are two separate things, its mentioned in Deathwatch 2010. And I honestly think the Ogryns would be difficult to tempt due to their lack of deep thought.

Then don't tempt them. Just rip their minds open, devour their souls, and wear their bodies as a flesh-mask.

Any self-respecting daemon would probably look for a better meal unless absolutely desperate.

Honestly I think a Psychic Ogryn will just get scraped as soon as they are on the black ship, or maybe they will get feed to the Golden Throne.

How can one train a ogryn psyker if no other psyker understands the mind of an ogryn? Even if said Ogryn survives the Soul-binding, there will be no one capable of teaching it how to use psychic powers.

"You calm down"
"Calm... down?"
"... you suspend your thought"
"...suspend... thought?"
"Yes, and think about --"
"Think?"
"You use mind to shoot foe with sparks from hands!"
"Shoot... foes with... hands?"
"Forget it."

On the other hand, Squats had psykers and ratlings and beastmen can probably have them too and use it. We just never heard of it because odds are they will be discriminated to the point of utter destruction on sight. Think about it, abhumans aren't regarded with respect, those that are allowed to live are merely tolerated, and the others actively hunted. And the Imperium actively hunts psykers and constantly persecuted. An abhuman psyker? Probably shot-on-sight.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Willpower and intelligence are two separate things, its mentioned in Deathwatch 2010. And I honestly think the Ogryns would be difficult to tempt due to their lack of deep thought.

A daemon can possess you simply by having an angry thought. An entire Khornate daemonic invasion started when one Guardsmen started getting angry.

Not doubting that, but that certainly does sound interesting, where did you find such an event? It sounds pretty entertaining and I want to see (read) this for myself

2BlackJack1 wrote:
Not doubting that, but that certainly does sound interesting, where did you find such an event? It sounds pretty entertaining and I want to see (read) this for myself

IIRC it was in Architect in Fate or something. Guardsmen got angry and had thoughts of killing his CO. Daemon then pops into his body and a whole daemonic outbreak begins.

Alright, will have to check that out.

Several sources talk about the ease with which a daemon can possess the unwitting. The wrong thought at the wrong time in the wrong place and, boom, your soul's gone and a daemon is wearing your body.

Seems like Ogryn worlds wouldn't be exempt from the screening of normal Imperium worlds. I would reason that Ogryn Psykers are possible, but probably put to death. Too much mutation in one vessel.