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 Kanluwen wrote:
Mmm yeah, my bad. Either way it's niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Yeah right. Cause Genestealers, Bloodletters, Orks with Choppas, etc.. all really needed the nerf.

I guess Scatterbikes, GravCents, AdMech with free guns and other shooty armies aren't bothered, so that's niiiiiice

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mmm yeah, my bad. Either way it's niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Yeah right. Cause Genestealers, Bloodletters, Orks with Choppas, etc.. all really needed the nerf.

I guess Scatterbikes, GravCents, AdMech with free guns and other shooty armies aren't bothered, so that's niiiiiice

Excuse me, do we know what all models have "Grim Resolve" at this point?

Because the rule requires "Grim Resolve" in order to Overwatch at full BS.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mmm yeah, my bad. Either way it's niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Yeah right. Cause Genestealers, Bloodletters, Orks with Choppas, etc.. all really needed the nerf.

I guess Scatterbikes, GravCents, AdMech with free guns and other shooty armies aren't bothered, so that's niiiiiice

Excuse me, do we know what all models have "Grim Resolve" at this point?

Because the rule requires "Grim Resolve" in order to Overwatch at full BS.

In the current Codex, all non-vehicle Dark Angels have Grim Resolve (though so far, it only gives them stubborn). It's their "chapter tactics". Like Space Wolves get counter attack.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Mmm yeah, my bad. Either way it's niiiiiiiiiiiice.

Yeah right. Cause Genestealers, Bloodletters, Orks with Choppas, etc.. all really needed the nerf.

I guess Scatterbikes, GravCents, AdMech with free guns and other shooty armies aren't bothered, so that's niiiiiice

Excuse me, do we know what all models have "Grim Resolve" at this point?

Because the rule requires "Grim Resolve" in order to Overwatch at full BS.

more than likely all infantry, bikes, and Dreadnoughts. Essentially the same as what is effected by C:SM Chapter Tactics.

This makes the Blood Angels Decurion I made good, since it tracks where the DA and C:SM Demi-Companies are.

Man, who in their right mind would assault a unit of Black Knights attached to a Lion's Blade Strike Force? Double-tapping plasma talons at full BS would disintegrate most dedicated assault units. Cheap hordes wouldn't be as affected, but you might still shoot them out of charge range with a good volley.

But that's a chunk of points--two demi-companies plus an attached Black Knights unit/formation--you wouldn't see that except in higher point games.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Man, who in their right mind would assault a unit of Black Knights attached to a Lion's Blade Strike Force? Double-tapping plasma talons at full BS would disintegrate most dedicated assault units. Cheap hordes wouldn't be as affected, but you might still shoot them out of charge range with a good volley.

But that's a chunk of points--two demi-companies plus an attached Black Knights unit/formation--you wouldn't see that except in higher point games.

Only need one demi-company. And said demi-company (as well as possibly the second one) is gonna be fairly good at boltering down hordes on overwatch.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Man, who in their right mind would assault a unit of Black Knights attached to a Lion's Blade Strike Force? Double-tapping plasma talons at full BS would disintegrate most dedicated assault units. Cheap hordes wouldn't be as affected, but you might still shoot them out of charge range with a good volley.

But that's a chunk of points--two demi-companies plus an attached Black Knights unit/formation--you wouldn't see that except in higher point games.

Only need one demi-company. And said demi-company (as well as possibly the second one) is gonna be fairly good at boltering down hordes on overwatch.

Oh, you're right. Dang. Black Knights OP!!!1!!one!!

I would still prefer the SM version.. Obsec carries much more weight in most META's... Unless you play against Nids and Orks exclusively.. Then i would like this formation

Oh well, doing Tau's job better than them.

Hoping they'll better our overwatch shenanigans

This codex came in good time - Have a DA partner for a tourney in September. It's like team overwatch!

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
I would still prefer the SM version.. Obsec carries much more weight in most META's... Unless you play against Nids and Orks exclusively.. Then i would like this formation

I would think the normal Demi-Company will get Obj. Sec., just as it did with Space Marines.

But I agree, it isn't the most powerful thing we've seen out of GW recently. All those Ultramarine-rerolls are probably more effective at the end of the day.

But it hits the Meta very unevenly, nerfing assault armies, especially those with low armour saves (as I said Nids, Orks, Daemons, Dark Eldar, etc..), while doing absolutely nothing against shooty armies that don't charge you.

Its not super-super-Skyhammer-powerful overall, but it's absolutely devastating against a select few armies which are struggling already.

 the_Armyman wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Man, who in their right mind would assault a unit of Black Knights attached to a Lion's Blade Strike Force? Double-tapping plasma talons at full BS would disintegrate most dedicated assault units. Cheap hordes wouldn't be as affected, but you might still shoot them out of charge range with a good volley.

But that's a chunk of points--two demi-companies plus an attached Black Knights unit/formation--you wouldn't see that except in higher point games.

Only need one demi-company. And said demi-company (as well as possibly the second one) is gonna be fairly good at boltering down hordes on overwatch.

Oh, you're right. Dang. Black Knights OP!!!1!!one!!

Except from what we've seen so far, Ravenwing Black Knights cannot be taken as an actual part of the main Decurion formation, and only the units from the formation itself get the super Overwatch.
So no, you don't (yet) get to fire full BS Overwatch with Plasma Talons.

But man, full BS Overwatch is going to make playing the likes of Daemons, Orks & 'Nids a complete crapshoot now...

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
I would still prefer the SM version.. Obsec carries much more weight in most META's... Unless you play against Nids and Orks exclusively.. Then i would like this formation

I would think the normal Demi-Company will get Obj. Sec., just as it did with Space Marines.

But I agree, it isn't the most powerful thing we've seen out of GW recently. All those Ultramarine-rerolls are probably more effective at the end of the day.

But it hits the Meta very unevenly, nerfing assault armies, especially those with low armour saves (as I said Nids, Orks, Daemons, Dark Eldar, etc..), while doing absolutely nothing against shooty armies that don't charge you.

Its not super-super-Skyhammer-powerful overall, but it's absolutely devastating against a select few armies which are struggling already.

True enough... Orks already have it soooooooo bad. Now when they face DA players with this formation they might just pack up and leave. Getting into assault range is hard these days, and with this formation lol... your armies remnants get obliterated...

For some reason I thought terminators and black knights had the inner circle special rule instead of grim resolve.

Full bs overwatch isn't as good as combat doctrines, but still pretty nice. Those poor orks/nids/khorne daemonkin/daemons...

Rejoice Dark Angels! We are not anymore at the bottom of the list since the assault oriented army will be the new bottom.... for now at least.

Still make me wonder what Tau will get when they are redone since Overwatch shenanigan was kinda their territory until now.

The ability to overwatch with multiple squads and to up it with marker lights is still pretty good, and fits the tau.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
full BS during overwatch would be ridiculous. I love my Dark Angels, but I also play Harelquins and my buddy has DAs too. Harelquins would be as good as useless vs them unless I get multiple allied CADs with Autarchs with banshee masks.

Ridiculous never stops GW

Called it

Belial is still 190 points. I'm hoping he will be worth it this time around.

I'm hoping all SC's got a nice bump.

it's true that this chapter tactic does nothing for the DAs vs the more powerful armies out there, it just kicks other armies that were already on the ground in the fetal position.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
Belial is still 190 points. I'm hoping he will be worth it this time around.

I'm hoping all SC's got a nice bump.

He gained 1 A.

Still no ew eh? Shan't be taking him then.

Full BS Overwatch is pathetically terrible compared to Objective Secured/Chapter Tactics.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Full BS Overwatch is pathetically terrible compared to Objective Secured/Chapter Tactics.

Vanilla Marines get neither Objective Secured nor Chapter Tactics through the Gladius Strike Force. The GSF rule is the additional use of doctrines. That's the equivalent rule.

Full BS on overwatch is CRAZY! Assault will never have a chance against it. Any news on the S.o.D.?

 zgort wrote:
Full BS on overwatch is CRAZY! Assault will never have a chance against it. Any news on the S.o.D.?

Sadly assaults are a arare occurence since 6th unless you fight Orks/Daemons/and some Nid lists... and even then it is rare since most wont get into assault range.... Overwatch killed some armies when it came into existence

I'll take the trade off,,, but i thought we got a corvus hammer as a melee weapon for characters.. My captain had one. oh well. I;ll take this!!

It says Overwatch with normal ballistic skill, but are they still "Snap Shots"?

Can they fire Overwatch with Blast or Template weapons?

 Josey4u wrote:
I'll take the trade off,,, but i saw we lost the corvus hammer as a melee weapon for characters.. My captain had one. oh well. I;ll take this!!

We never had them on captains, it's never been an option for anything other than black knights mate.

 Josey4u wrote:
I'll take the trade off,,, but i saw we lost the corvus hammer as a melee weapon for characters.. My captain had one. oh well. I;ll take this!!

Pretty sure corvus hammer was never an option for characters.


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axisofentropy wrote:
It says Overwatch with normal ballistic skill, but are they still "Snap Shots"?

Can they fire Overwatch with Blast or Template weapons?

I'd imagine not, it's still a snap shot. The rule just improves one aspect of the snap shot rule.

 Formosa wrote:

 Josey4u wrote:
I'll take the trade off,,, but i saw we lost the corvus hammer as a melee weapon for characters.. My captain had one. oh well. I;ll take this!!

We never had them on captains, it's never been an option for anything other than black knights mate.

Yea I just double checked. you are correct . Tells you how long my army has been around... I think somewhere I changed it to the mace of redemption

 Josey4u wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Josey4u wrote:
I'll take the trade off,,, but i saw we lost the corvus hammer as a melee weapon for characters.. My captain had one. oh well. I;ll take this!!

We never had them on captains, it's never been an option for anything other than black knights mate.

Yea I just double checked. you are correct . Tells you how long my army has been around... I think somewhere I changed it to the foesmiter

Foesmiter was the Storm Bolter though...