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 pretre wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
Itty bitty mistake in your strategy:
Turbo-boosting still is instead of shooting and you still cannot assault that turn. But you count as jinking and do not fire snapshots in your following turn.

He's making up rules so he certainly can make an exception.

I wish they were made up, but they're the Skyhammer rules...

Ah. Yeh. I forgot C:SM always has to be top of the line... <.<

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I wish they were made up, but they're the Skyhammer rules...

...adapted and changed for a different army and different units.

So, like I said, you're making up rules.

It's a parody post. I do suppose Germans don't understand humour, so it's meant to be funny.

From what I see, DWK still have str10 smite though. Note smite does NOT change the weapon profile, they just make a strx2 attack. 6x2=12=10

That's how I read it too, but it's vague enough to need an faq or clarification

 raiden wrote:
From what I see, DWK still have str10 smite though. Note smite does NOT change the weapon profile, they just make a strx2 attack. 6x2=12=10

Eh? It's a Sx2 AP 2 attack. If you were smiting with the mace it would be AP 4. They're smiting it with the force of their grim and noble visage. It's an attack like Blue Steel or Le Tigre.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 raiden wrote:
From what I see, DWK still have str10 smite though. Note smite does NOT change the weapon profile, they just make a strx2 attack. 6x2=12=10

Eh? It's a Sx2 AP 2 attack. If you were smiting with the mace it would be AP 4. They're smiting it with the force of their grim and noble visage. It's an attack like Blue Steel or Le Tigre.

I envision them head banging the enemy into submission as they air guitar thier puny maces

 raiden wrote:
From what I see, DWK still have str10 smite though. Note smite does NOT change the weapon profile, they just make a strx2 attack. 6x2=12=10

Even if that were the case, it would be (4 x 2) + 2 = 10.

Multiplication has priority.

Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

 pwntallica wrote:
Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

Completely unexpected. It hit us like a sudden assault from deep strike and left us cowering, unable to defend ourselves.

 Thairne wrote:
OR you simply allow IC with a Bike to also be taken in the RWFS.
"must either have the Ravenwing Special Rule or the Independant Character Special rule, having purchased a Space Marine Bike".

Done.

I was thinking they should have 'addressed' this issue by not have a 'space marine bike' in the wargear. It should have been a 'ravenwing bike' that has all the exact same rules as a space marine bike but also gives the rider the ravenwing special rule. Yeah that would mean a bunch of models would be both ravenwing and deathwing but it looks like deathwing now means inner circle and if I remember my 6th edition fluff the ravenwing, or at least its leaders, are in on the secret.

 pretre wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

Completely unexpected. It hit us like a sudden assault from deep strike and left us cowering, unable to defend ourselves.

I see what you did there Have an exalt

 pwntallica wrote:
Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

You're credit score need not fear. Dark angels don't get nearly the amount of love the other marines do. The best we can hope for is a shield of ball type treatment the blood angels got. Trouble is BA, DA and SW players can 'barrow' formations from the SM units and all of the core models are shared accross the range. Tracking the metrics it looks like SM armies out sell DA or BA armies by a huge margin. While I'm sure its true SM armies are more common I suspect the margin is not as large as pure sales data would show. So GW makes more bundles/formations for SM then DA because they think the SM market is much much larger then the DA. Then lots of us DA players go out and by those bundles/formations and contribute to the lie.

If you look at the stuff that came out in 6th edition. The dark angels codex has had a longer shelf life but received almost no army support. A couple of bundles and 1 or two formations. The space marines on the other hand, shorter shelf life, a dozen or so bundles and 6 or 7 formations.

 DJGietzen wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

You're credit score need not fear. Dark angels don't get nearly the amount of love the other marines do. The best we can hope for is a shield of ball type treatment the blood angels got. Trouble is BA, DA and SW players can 'barrow' formations from the SM units and all of the core models are shared accross the range. Tracking the metrics it looks like SM armies out sell DA or BA armies by a huge margin. While I'm sure its true SM armies are more common I suspect the margin is not as large as pure sales data would show. So GW makes more bundles/formations for SM then DA because they think the SM market is much much larger then the DA. Then lots of us DA players go out and by those bundles/formations and contribute to the lie.

If you look at the stuff that came out in 6th edition. The dark angels codex has had a longer shelf life but received almost no army support. A couple of bundles and 1 or two formations. The space marines on the other hand, shorter shelf life, a dozen or so bundles and 6 or 7 formations.

despite the truth to your words, I will still hang on to the hope we will get some stuff, including quick and accurate FAQ concerning some of the flaws (ravenwing HQ choices). The thing is it does look like more SM sales because you don't have a BA/DA/SW kit for everything (ie LR, devs, tacs, DP, ect). The old RW battle force was so awesome for bike armies though. I luckily noticed it going away and snatched up 5 more, the last of the stock of our local stores, and the last one at a GW in Toronto. SO. MANY. BIKES. With the new codes, I will only need DWK and RWK, and finally our beautiful flier, so the DV expansion set looks good. The new box set isn't awful, especially now that we have actual attack bike squads.

BA did get a whole lot of formations in their campaign book though, so the forthcoming rumoured DA vs Tzeentch should bring some joy.

Also, Skyhammer was there to sell the new Assault Marines and Devs, although I'm sure they'd sell an equal number of Deathravenhammer or Knighthammer despite being new kits.

It's possible Dark Vengeance models weren't supported because DV is sold at a relative net loss for GW. The Helbrute got a number of formation buffs though, so go figure.

 Thairne wrote:
Itty bitty mistake in your strategy:
Turbo-boosting still is instead of shooting and you still cannot assault that turn. But you count as jinking and do not fire snapshots in your following turn.
Neither can DW DS in turn 1 OR charge after DSing.
And finally, smiting DW Knights only have 1 Attack.

You either are trolling...

........or mimicking the rules for the formation he is obviously mimicking

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
BA did get a whole lot of formations in their campaign book though, so the forthcoming rumoured DA vs Tzeentch should bring some joy.

Also, Skyhammer was there to sell the new Assault Marines and Devs, although I'm sure they'd sell an equal number of Deathravenhammer or Knighthammer despite being new kits.

It's possible Dark Vengeance models weren't supported because DV is sold at a relative net loss for GW. The Helbrute got a number of formation buffs though, so go figure.

The Dangels did get some formations for the models in DV - problem is they're TERRIBLE

 pwntallica wrote:
Was there any rumors or warning to the sm skyhammer formation or did it just appear? Wondering if there will be one if a DA equivalent comes out. Just incase I decide to get it, I'll need time to fill out the second morgage paperwork.

There's no new boxes to sell. Historically they have only done that with one click bundles of new boxes.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
BA did get a whole lot of formations in their campaign book though, so the forthcoming rumoured DA vs Tzeentch should bring some joy.

This. I can't wait. We could even leave this thread open but the past dozen pages were so terrible we should just close it.

axisofentropy wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
BA did get a whole lot of formations in their campaign book though, so the forthcoming rumoured DA vs Tzeentch should bring some joy.

This. I can't wait. We could even leave this thread open but the past dozen pages were so terrible we should just close it.

The forthcoming DA vs Tzeentch is probably bunk.

 Thairne wrote:
You're free and encouraged to cross check with the Codex if something seems iffy.
I'll fix that Relic problem in the next 2 minutes, so please don't be so condescending to the hard work some people put into making your life easier.

I wasn't condescending. Just wanted to do a little checking on the codex before paying money for it. Terminators are cool and all, but it has still fit to be worth it.

At the very least, Interrogators and Deathwing Knights are bloody awesome.

axisofentropy wrote:

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
BA did get a whole lot of formations in their campaign book though, so the forthcoming rumoured DA vs Tzeentch should bring some joy.

This. I can't wait. We could even leave this thread open but the past dozen pages were so terrible we should just close it.

Not half as terrible as the new codex art...

Locrian wrote:


It's just really lame that you can't take them in the Lion's Blade strike force.

They are worth an HQ and scout tax if you must - OR play unbound. Everyone on dakka loves discussing the merits of unbound!

^Black Knights?
Because you could have a separate Ravenwing Formation under and have loads of 'em, if I'm not mistaken.

If Librarians get Ravenwing with a bike the Conclave formation becomes absurd. (Well, absurder than it already is...)

You can split four Librarians into four different squads to jink for a 2+ rerollable on allied units.

Hey... 'bout time that Dark Angels can get some 'absurd' units.

Sorry for off topic post, but I looked at my order status on GW's website (I ordered the Reclusiam Edition) and it still says its pending. Is it normal for the LE codexes to be late arriving (because I don't think it'll get here by Saturday if it hasn't already shipped).

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Sorry for off topic post, but I looked at my order status on GW's website (I ordered the Reclusiam Edition) and it still says its pending. Is it normal for the LE codexes to be late arriving (because I don't think it'll get here by Saturday if it hasn't already shipped).

I got my C:SM preorder shipping notice on Friday and the Codex was in my store on Saturday, waiting for me to pick it up - but I'm not in the US obviously, maybe another American has experience with that?

Mine will arrive at the GW store tomorrow, but Memphis to Nashville is not far.

Will a GW store let me pick it up before Saturday?