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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
I only play against fully painted players.

Now I'm just picturing someone refusing to play against an opponent unless they are covered in body paint head to toe

Erotic body paint helps to distract the opponent.

100% painted



No problems playing VS an unpainted army but dont enjoy it and feel it detracts from the overall experience.

 clamclaw wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
I only play against fully painted players.

Now I'm just picturing someone refusing to play against an opponent unless they are covered in body paint head to toe

Erotic body paint helps to distract the opponent.

Especially if they add that extra rouge on their nips, mmmm nyesssssssss.

Jaysus, keep it clean mate, family site n all that

 Talizvar wrote:
You need to do this hobby for you BUT sometimes I do recognize you have to consider your opponent and their enjoyment or you will not get many games.

I see it as a 2 way street. It's nice to present your opponent with a fully painted army for a game.... but the game only lasts a few hours compared to what is likely a couple of hundred hours of assembly/cleaning mould lines/painting. I don't expect my opponent to torture themselves for couple of hundred hours for my benefit during a couple of hours worth of gaming.

 Talizvar wrote:
Well, like in the usual 40k discussions it really comes down to why each of us play the hobby.

There is much truth to this. I got into the hobby out of a love for a field of painted miniatures and terrain. I simply have almost no interest in a wargame game that falls short of that. In an open FLGS situation I might game with someone who has a partially painted army, or I might not. Luckily I don't have to make that decision anymore. Now that I have a group of like-minded gamers I've had 5 years of all-painted gaming and as long as it's up to me that's the way it'll stay.

 Eilif wrote:
Now that I have a group of like-minded gamers I've had 5 years of all-painted gaming and as long as it's up to me that's the way it'll stay.

Ha! The cult of the fully painted armies!
Wield thine brush to skewer mediocrity and bring greatness and honor to the field!
The grey hoards of infidel shall be thwarted at the moat of shade dip.
If thee are to be well met at the field of battle you must have colors to fly or you will not be recognized as an honorable foe!

... goodness, I could carry on like this way too long.
Happens when you recently visit the "Medieval Times".

"Yo! Paint wench! bring me mine brush rinse cup and not the metallics one or floggings shall be meted out!"

 Talizvar wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Now that I have a group of like-minded gamers I've had 5 years of all-painted gaming and as long as it's up to me that's the way it'll stay.

Ha! The cult of the fully painted armies!
Wield thine brush to skewer mediocrity and bring greatness and honor to the field!
The grey hoards of infidel shall be thwarted at the moat of shade dip.
If thee are to be well met at the field of battle you must have colors to fly or you will not be recognized as an honorable foe!

... goodness, I could carry on like this way too long.
Happens when you recently visit the "Medieval Times".

"Yo! Paint wench! bring me mine brush rinse cup and not the metallics one or floggings shall be meted out!"

Lmao, I can't XD

As far as playing against unpainted armies goes, I'm perfectly fine with it. I would prefer to see two fully painted armies squaring off, but a lot of the people I regularly play with either don't have the time to paint up their army quickly or are just starting out with an army. I myself prefer to play with a fully painted army, but I don't hold other people to my standard.

I don't mind playing unpainted armies. I love seeing different art and paint jobs though. I would say their more fun to play. I've almost completed my 2000pt of guard.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Now that I have a group of like-minded gamers I've had 5 years of all-painted gaming and as long as it's up to me that's the way it'll stay.

Ha! The cult of the fully painted armies!
Wield thine brush to skewer mediocrity and bring greatness and honor to the field!
The grey hoards of infidel shall be thwarted at the moat of shade dip.
If thee are to be well met at the field of battle you must have colors to fly or you will not be recognized as an honorable foe!

Cult is right! We tell newcomers the only club rule is painted minis only. The ritual combat, study of the theology of paint and slaying of the infidel grey hordes come later.

To be sure, it's a hard road to travel but the paint wenches are a fair reward for such commitment.

 Ratius wrote:
100% painted



No problems playing VS an unpainted army but dont enjoy it and feel it detracts from the overall experience.

Exactly. I will play anyone, but have closing in on 20 years of painted models (about six 2,000pt armies) I want to show off to any opponent or onlooker!

It entirely depends, I can't field a painted army right now due to the fact that I am so new that I just want to play a few games once and a while and I can literately can't field a whole painted army (almost done though! 2 LRs, 2 MFs, and 1 or 2 zerkers to go... Sadly, I entirely re did my zerkers 2 times and my chaos lord 3 before I actually liked them... Bit of a perfectionist...). It is entirely Situational on whether it is acceptable.

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
It entirely depends, I can't field a painted army right now due to the fact that I am so new that I just want to play a few games once and a while and I can literately can't field a whole painted army (almost done though! 2 LRs, 2 MFs, and 1 or 2 zerkers to go... Sadly, I entirely re did my zerkers 2 times and my chaos lord 3 before I actually liked them... Bit of a perfectionist...). It is entirely Situational on whether it is acceptable.

Starting out "sucks" that way.
You learn in leaps and bounds and by the 30th model you want to redo the first 10.
You are doing awesome, never let anyone tell you different.
It is a happy thing that there are few people more critical of your paint job than you.


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 Eilif wrote:
To be sure, it's a hard road to travel but the paint wenches are a fair reward for such commitment.

I am thinking of another quote to butcher:
"Ain't nobody leaves this place without painting the blues."
(adventures in babysitting... darn I am old)

Yay verily, if though hath done the great works and fielded armies in proud colors: when thou exit the last great battle, thou shalt enter the great hall of blue table.
There, great works shall be witnessed and can take thine place in those hallowed halls to anoint models of the unskilled with rainbows to salve the wounds of their opponents.

Okay, now I am rambling.
Got the message, will paint, got a lifetime of them to do so might as well get cracking.

I'm willing to field an unfinished army so long as only one or two things are unpainted/primed/half painted.

I'd not be mad if my opponent was short painted models, but I'd at least hope they'd take the initiative to get more than 50% of their army done up, even if it looks like a toddler scribbled on the tank with a crayola.

I will play one game with an unpainted unit just when i finish building them since I'm always so eager to play them, then they're locked away until I'm done painting them. I currently have everything I own painted, except a single crisis suit who I decided to strip the paint of and redo in a slightly darker shade

All of my army that I play is painted, but certainly, I haven't painted every miniature I have purchased. I probably have 100+ models that are in my work queue, primed, prepped, and in project boxes waiting for painting (some will never get done), at least a couple hundred de-sprued and sorted into boxes (many of them mold line cleaned!), and likely thousands still brand new in box... certainly more than I can ever hope to finish unless I live to be as old as Dante or da Emperor :X

Painted all of your armies is easy enough but at same time it is harder as hard part you have to sacrifice your own free time include playing on video game, watch movie or go to pub..

I try to paint my armies 10 min everyday.. 365 time a day ( some remove ) so that can be 365 model a year I can. paint.... Never did it... Too busy with freelance and children...

Once time.. Before I go to event, I don't like unpainted model to play with.. I rush and paint all greentide Ork in single night!

Hand sore.... But it was good fun at event! Only me and other man had painted ALL Ork... Yes. Both of us play Ork that day and everyone else either undercoat or none at all... Heh.

My tip to you guy who don't have time for paint your armies, sacrifice your own time!

Ahhhh love the arrogance in these threads expecting that people will behave certain ways when it comes to painting minis and taking it personally when they don't.

Have news for you folks: another person's unpainted minis have nothing to do with *you* and you have no say in how they handle the minis that they have bought.

If you give grief or act superior to another player simply because their minis are not painted then you are pretty much just a jerk and they are better off not wasting their time playing against you anyway. Having your pretty toy soldiers painted does not make you a better human being.

I have not found painting or not painting of one's minis to be an indicator of whether a player is a decent opponent or not and have had great games with people with fully painted or fully unpainted armies and every stage in between. I have found that 100% of the time when someone starts bemoaning an opponent's unpainted minis, that they will pretty much tend to be a git throughout the entire game.

Skriker

Man, I can't believe all the hate on unpainted armies. I love painted forces, and think it's great to see on the table, and certainly prefer to have painted armies myself, but people have lives, and maybe they want to play without the effort 'cause they're busy or just tired... or they could even be doing really nice jobs which also takes time.

Yeah I feel like this thread quickly identified two camps of thought:

1) Who cares if minis are painted, its a fun game anyways. Paint is preferred, but not required.

2) Expect minis to be painted to improve game atmosphere. Showing up with naked plastic is not okay.

Obviously there are people on both sides who take it more seriously/extreme. It seems like the last 3 pages have been outlining those same points.

Aye. That was true!

From 1994 since now... Have I play with 100% painted model? Erm. I do remember I play as Blood angel against tyranids. Wow neat painted! I spend more time looking at his tyranids and drooling than focus on game...

Same story with Ork last year.

So that was maybe 2 out of Erm? 400 match?

Unpainted... Neat grey plastic material... Dip paint...
Game is game!

Clamclaw, welcome to every discussion on the subject in a nutshell. Yep those are the camps and some people on each end can get pretty extreme.

Worst I ever saw was a Flames of War player who "to allow players with unpainted armies the *privilege* of playing a game with him" would require them to use one of his other fully painted armies and not their own armies. He failed to see the insane level of arrogance in his position and couldn't understand why more people didn't take him up on his offer since he did all the painting work. Hahahahahaha

Skriker

My dad dip his war hammer fantasy!

 Skriker wrote:
Ahhhh love the arrogance in these threads expecting that people will behave certain ways when it comes to painting minis and taking it personally when they don't.

Have news for you folks: another person's unpainted minis have nothing to do with *you* and you have no say in how they handle the minis that they have bought.

If you give grief or act superior to another player simply because their minis are not painted then you are pretty much just a jerk and they are better off not wasting their time playing against you anyway. Having your pretty toy soldiers painted does not make you a better human being.

I have not found painting or not painting of one's minis to be an indicator of whether a player is a decent opponent or not and have had great games with people with fully painted or fully unpainted armies and every stage in between. I have found that 100% of the time when someone starts bemoaning an opponent's unpainted minis, that they will pretty much tend to be a git throughout the entire game.

Skriker

I'm seeing a few straw men here. Most of us in favor of painted armies aren't "taking it personally", or trying to have a "say" in what they do with their own minis. What you are missing is that whether painting-or-not has any effect on someone's being a good "opponent" has nothing to do with why we paint. We don't paint mostly for the sake of gameplay. We paint because the reason we got into the hobby was to play with lots of painted toy soldiers on the table, It's a fine line, but let me lay the differences in perception out another way.

When the "It's a game, painting is optional" crowd have a great opponent in a game with unpainted minis, they still had a great game.
-The game is what they came for and that was what they got.

When the "Spectacle of painted armies" have a great opponent in a game with unpainted minis, they still had a game with unpainted minis.
-The Spectacle was what they came for and even with a good opponent it wasn't fulfilled.

It's not about elitism or being a better person, it's about whether or not (and how much) you value the painting part of the tabletop wargaming hobby. If I choose not to pursue a game with someone fielding grey hordes, it's because without painted miniatures, it's not the hobby I signed up for.

 clamclaw wrote:
Yeah I feel like this thread quickly identified two camps of thought:

1) Who cares if minis are painted, its a fun game anyways. Paint is preferred, but not required.

2) Expect minis to be painted to improve game atmosphere. Showing up with naked plastic is not okay.

Obviously there are people on both sides who take it more seriously/extreme. It seems like the last 3 pages have been outlining those same points.

Didn't read this.

I thought this topic was for person who really want painted their OWN models. If this topic was rant at other people unpainted then I'll stop read this topic.

I don't mind Other person who don't paint. Even my friend have all base colour look like chess to me.

I am fussy with My Own Models. I don't like play my own unpainted model.... I keeping scare at the model and feel like it just look right back at me and tell me "paint me!" Just same as when I look at my own car... Mud all over from all fun at off road...

Will I leave my car mud and hope rain wash it out? Or I wash it myself?
Me = wash it myself instead of wait for rain come. Same feeling as I look at my own models...

I am not quite the same camp of Eilif on the need for fully painted armies and you could claim I am a "fully assembled" snob where if I face one more army with arms missing I will snap.

I see his point however and do not attribute it to arrogance: we each have a certain goal of what we want out of a game and if it is not met, we are not as happy as we could be.

What would you pick?:
If you had a choice of playing a partially assembled army of a fully assembled?
If you had a choice of playing a unpainted army or block painted army?
If you had a choice of playing a block painted army or a fully painted army?
If you had a choice of a "fluffy" army or a netlist?
If you had a choice of a Gw army or a Forgeworld?
If you had a choice of a proxied army or a fully converted one?

Skriker: you are looking for conflict (or trying to incite it) where none is intended: people are exorcising their "preference" of how they spend their precious leisure time.
In this case, if your army is not fully painted, that was your choice and they will be happy to play you any time you decide to "finish" no judgment required.
I am right on that in-between stage of some good painting, some block painting, a ton of primed stuff and unmentionable unassembled.
The "decent" opponent aspect is where your main focus may be a good tough battle and you could not care about the "cool look" of it all: chess pieces and cardboard chits still help organize a good game, these people want more or why use models?
Do you honestly expect any of these people to give you heck for unpainted models? They would just take one look and say "No thanks, but thanks anyway!" and move on.
Anything else you outline is just being a jerk no matter what preference you have.

We all have our wishes and lines we draw in the sand or at least exorcise OUR choice not have someone else's choice jammed down our throat.
I do not have to play you, you do not have to play me, but if we act decent we may decide to ignore less than ideal circumstances anyway.

99.99% of my army is painted. the remaining 00.01% are the few guys who have only recently finished construction and don't have a base or just got based black and I have not painted them. Yet.

Said guys who are only based include 1 Manitcore, 1 Onager, 1 Ironstrider. Non-based are a wheel tank turned Macharius Vulcan and 4 Skitarii Rangers converted from various pieces including Scions and heads from the iron strider and Onager crew. At the least that's what I can recall off hand.

But the vast majority of my army is totally painted.

 Talizvar wrote:
I am not quite the same camp of Eilif on the need for fully painted arm

What would you pick?:
If you had a choice of playing a partially assembled army of a fully assembled?
If you had a choice of playing a unpainted army or block painted army?
If you had a choice of playing a block painted army or a fully painted army?
If you had a choice of a "fluffy" army or a netlist?
If you had a choice of a Gw army or a Forgeworld?
If you had a choice of a proxied army or a fully converted one?

Anything else you outline is just being a jerk no matter what preference you have.

We all have our wishes and lines we draw in the sand or at least exorcise OUR choice not have someone else's choice jammed down our throat.
I do not have to play you, you do not have to play me, but if we act decent we may decide to ignore less than ideal circumstances anyway.

You missing one more - just base without model.
I did play with other player who use just coins and base. Bit weird but nice man and we play till end.

In my group we have two types of players, artistic types with awesome painted minis and conversions and the mathhammer players with hordes of grey unpainted or white primed models. Heres the thing, I like the modeling aspect and I can say Im a good painter, but the mathhammer guys talk to me on game night and tell me the most clever tactics to try . Im like, "dang I never thought of that" then I try this tactic and BAM it works!!

Then there's the guy who is a good painter AND wins games...we secretly hate that guy.