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I believe a Titan could destroy Earth since it could eat nuclear weaponry & shoots blasts that devour continents.

Andredre wrote:
I believe a Titan could destroy Earth since it could eat nuclear weaponry & shoots blasts that devour continents.

Uhm, no.

 Enigwolf wrote:

Andredre wrote:
I believe a Titan could destroy Earth since it could eat nuclear weaponry & shoots blasts that devour continents.

Uhm, no.

This is what I've read about them thru comic vine, so what are their capabilities then?

I don't 'think void shields of anything short of battleships are capable of withstanding a direct hit with a nuclear initiation (especially including the EMP effect), but I could be wrong.

 Melissia wrote:
I don't 'think void shields of anything short of battleships are capable of withstanding a direct hit with a nuclear initiation (especially including the EMP effect), but I could be wrong.

The larger Titans are throwing around multi megaton city-busting shots. Yeah they could take a nuke. A Warhound or Reaver though would be obliterated.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't 'think void shields of anything short of battleships are capable of withstanding a direct hit with a nuclear initiation (especially including the EMP effect), but I could be wrong.

The larger Titans are throwing around multi megaton city-busting shots. Yeah they could take a nuke. A Warhound or Reaver though would be obliterated.

Fair enough. Those larger titans are bigger than some navy ships themselves.

The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

 Enigwolf wrote:
The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

Orbital weaponry is usually far stronger than any nuclear warhead we possess.
Also a focused weapon is far better against hardened targets (like other Titans) that an indiscriminate weapon like a nuke as most of the energy of the nuke isn't going to hit the Titan.

Not to mention the Disirae survived and was completely sealed off during the life eater virus and then basically the firestorm that it caused after all the organic matter was left. Which is probably if it was planet wide around several GIGATONS of power. Which was less and more focused in certain spots with a lance strike and then the planet is engulfed in fire.

 Tyran wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

Orbital weaponry is usually far stronger than any nuclear warhead we possess.
Also a focused weapon is far better against hardened targets (like other Titans) that an indiscriminate weapon like a nuke as most of the energy of the nuke isn't going to hit the Titan.

Well, hard to say, really, given that an orbital barrage from a capship usually saturates a huge area much like sailing galleons of ye' olde Terran dayz. There was a handy-dandy "orbital object strike" calculator from some astrophysicist in the early days of the internet that I remember, you could plug in things like the size and density of the incoming object, plus angle of impact, density of atmosphere, density of ground, etc. to determine the force of an impact of an object from space. I do remember creating theoretical scenarios of an orbital strike with my brother, and each shell would hit with the force of a small tactical nuclear detonation. One could theorize that a few macrocannon shells hitting from orbit would strike with the kinetic force of a strategic nuclear weapon, minus the EMP shockwave.

It could go either way. Some battery weapons are kinetic guns (most of them are, really), meaning that they gain kinetic force as they enter a planet's atmosphere. Depending on the class of the warship, other battery weapons can also consist of turbolasers or plasma projectors instead - these would lose destructive energy due to dissipation from atmospheric particles.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

Orbital weaponry is usually far stronger than any nuclear warhead we possess.
Also a focused weapon is far better against hardened targets (like other Titans) that an indiscriminate weapon like a nuke as most of the energy of the nuke isn't going to hit the Titan.

Well, hard to say, really, given that an orbital barrage from a capship usually saturates a huge area much like sailing galleons of ye' olde Terran dayz. There was a handy-dandy "orbital object strike" calculator from some astrophysicist in the early days of the internet that I remember, you could plug in things like the size and density of the incoming object, plus angle of impact, density of atmosphere, density of ground, etc. to determine the force of an impact of an object from space. I do remember creating theoretical scenarios of an orbital strike with my brother, and each shell would hit with the force of a small tactical nuclear detonation. One could theorize that a few macrocannon shells hitting from orbit would strike with the kinetic force of a strategic nuclear weapon, minus the EMP shockwave.

It could go either way. Some battery weapons are kinetic guns (most of them are, really), meaning that they gain kinetic force as they enter a planet's atmosphere. Depending on the class of the warship, other battery weapons can also consist of turbolasers or plasma projectors instead - these would lose destructive energy due to dissipation from atmospheric particles.

You mean this?

http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

Orbital weaponry is usually far stronger than any nuclear warhead we possess.
Also a focused weapon is far better against hardened targets (like other Titans) that an indiscriminate weapon like a nuke as most of the energy of the nuke isn't going to hit the Titan.

Well, hard to say, really, given that an orbital barrage from a capship usually saturates a huge area much like sailing galleons of ye' olde Terran dayz. There was a handy-dandy "orbital object strike" calculator from some astrophysicist in the early days of the internet that I remember, you could plug in things like the size and density of the incoming object, plus angle of impact, density of atmosphere, density of ground, etc. to determine the force of an impact of an object from space. I do remember creating theoretical scenarios of an orbital strike with my brother, and each shell would hit with the force of a small tactical nuclear detonation. One could theorize that a few macrocannon shells hitting from orbit would strike with the kinetic force of a strategic nuclear weapon, minus the EMP shockwave.

It could go either way. Some battery weapons are kinetic guns (most of them are, really), meaning that they gain kinetic force as they enter a planet's atmosphere. Depending on the class of the warship, other battery weapons can also consist of turbolasers or plasma projectors instead - these would lose destructive energy due to dissipation from atmospheric particles.

You mean this?

http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/

Similar, but not the same. That one had a white background, and a crap-ton more parameters to enter.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
The Dies Irae had to completely shut down and button down the hatches during the orbital strikes on Istvaan III. That's an Emperor-class titan. A Warlord would likely be crippled, and a Warhound and a Reaver would probably disappear.

While the destructive power of titan weapons can range in the multi-megaton range (particularly if you're looking at something like a Hellstorm Cannon, Plasma Annihilator (not the destructor) or other Imperator primary weapons), they tend to be focused on a small area rather than indiscriminate like a nuclear warhead.

Orbital weaponry is usually far stronger than any nuclear warhead we possess.
Also a focused weapon is far better against hardened targets (like other Titans) that an indiscriminate weapon like a nuke as most of the energy of the nuke isn't going to hit the Titan.

Well, hard to say, really, given that an orbital barrage from a capship usually saturates a huge area much like sailing galleons of ye' olde Terran dayz. There was a handy-dandy "orbital object strike" calculator from some astrophysicist in the early days of the internet that I remember, you could plug in things like the size and density of the incoming object, plus angle of impact, density of atmosphere, density of ground, etc. to determine the force of an impact of an object from space. I do remember creating theoretical scenarios of an orbital strike with my brother, and each shell would hit with the force of a small tactical nuclear detonation. One could theorize that a few macrocannon shells hitting from orbit would strike with the kinetic force of a strategic nuclear weapon, minus the EMP shockwave.

It could go either way. Some battery weapons are kinetic guns (most of them are, really), meaning that they gain kinetic force as they enter a planet's atmosphere. Depending on the class of the warship, other battery weapons can also consist of turbolasers or plasma projectors instead - these would lose destructive energy due to dissipation from atmospheric particles.

Someone stated above that it was a virus bomb, which essentially turns the atmosphere into a gigantic fireball and is far above our nuclear arsenal could ever hope to accomplish. Of course, determining how much energy of that firestorm is dumped on the Titan is probably impossible to determine.

 Melissia wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't 'think void shields of anything short of battleships are capable of withstanding a direct hit with a nuclear initiation (especially including the EMP effect), but I could be wrong.

The larger Titans are throwing around multi megaton city-busting shots. Yeah they could take a nuke. A Warhound or Reaver though would be obliterated.

Fair enough. Those larger titans are bigger than some navy ships themselves.

Hell the larger titans HAVE killed escort ships if my memory isn't failing me. Something like an Imperator sniping a small escort in-atmo with a turbolaser.

And an Imperator was brought down to its knee via toppling a building on it, if memory serves, its in Helsreach

 Bobthehero wrote:
And an Imperator was brought down to its knee via toppling a building on it, if memory serves, its in Helsreach

And what does that mean exactly? Does that mean it is weak because a millions of tons falls on it somehow makes it weak?

"Oh did you hear about paul?"
"No what happened?"
"He got killed by a bear."
"Oh what a whimp!"

?!??!?!?!?!?

Wasn't a million of ton, for sure, I am sure a nuke would be more than enough to bring it down.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Wasn't a million of ton, for sure, I am sure a nuke would be more than enough to bring it down.

There is a difference between a building falling on a single object and a Titan. A titan probably has heat resistance and ceramite to protect it. I am pretty sure the Militaries of the world don't want to keep firing nukes and risk entire operations. I also don't think nukes nowadays would do great against targets that move and are mobile. Would the military really be truly able to nuke new york just because the enemy is there?

The modern militaries will just scuttle another skyscraper and swarm the thing then

 Bobthehero wrote:
The modern militaries will just scuttle another skyscraper and swarm the thing then

How? how would they do this against the Imperium? Who have superior aircraft and ground support?

An Imperial Regiment would be protecting it along with Imperial Knights and Warhounds. They don't send one machine off by itself, they hunt down targets realitively easily. How would they know their weakpoints?

What materials are the imperial buildings made out of? Because it sure as hell isn't just concrete. Especially at Armaggedon's planet which is basically a fortress world.

How would the United States military fair against storm troopers and regiment fire? The imperium acts very similarily to the US miltiary in terms of tactics often being in small squads and moving out from key positions, not in giant lines of musket fire. the Us Military would be in a lot of trouble if the imperium of man faced them.

Also could you quote the specific passage you are talking about instead of just paraphrasing?

If it is really an Imperator Titan then there is discrepancy in the lore (no surprise there)

Also in Warhammer, a "building" (especially on Armageddon), can be tens of kilometers tall.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also in Warhammer, a "building" (especially on Armageddon), can be tens of kilometers tall.

Especially in a hive city world. It was probably the tower at the heart of Helsreach. which is made with various metals and built with various generators and weapons. And to take it down would be akin to dropping the city of chicago on a single object.

Honestly (as much as it hurts to say) I think the only force we'd really stand a chance against is the Eldar. While they are highly mobile and very efficient at killing things, they are also the squishiest, An Abrams could still dent falcons and Fire Prisms, for example. A MOAB could shake wraithbone constructs like the Titans providing it hits, and the actual Eldar footsoldier is still killable with .556 or .308. But perhaps most importantly, the Eldar aren't numberless like the Guard or the Orks or the Nids. They're fast, yes. But that could be countered through streak missiles or other various targeting systems. They're melee beasts, but that's tactically avoidable by keeping your distance. The psychic power they bring would still put the fight in their favor, but at least they're not invincible like everyone else

 Will1541 wrote:
Honestly (as much as it hurts to say) I think the only force we'd really stand a chance against is the Eldar. While they are highly mobile and very efficient at killing things, they are also the squishiest, An Abrams could still dent falcons and Fire Prisms, for example. A MOAB could shake wraithbone constructs like the Titans providing it hits, and the actual Eldar footsoldier is still killable with .556 or .308. But perhaps most importantly, the Eldar aren't numberless like the Guard or the Orks or the Nids. They're fast, yes. But that could be countered through streak missiles or other various targeting systems. They're melee beasts, but that's tactically avoidable by keeping your distance. The psychic power they bring would still put the fight in their favor, but at least they're not invincible like everyone else

Except they will avoid an open conflict at all costs. The eldar are not good at open battlefield they will instead target their targets with finese and cause the nations of the world to bicker and fight each other over 'mysterious' deaths. The eldar would never fight any army in an open battlefield unless they had allies to support them. They are fast and use stealth at all times.

Falcons and Fire Prisms have speed and mobility that are moving at super sonic speeds. We would have to hit them, but even then they have holofields and shields that protect their crew. Plus they also have cloaking and their snipers would just whittle away at us pretty quickly. And also the Farseers will be able to predict the future and be able to see how to defeat us is by using others of race to kill us. By tricking them by manipulation of events.

Their Martial skill would be terrifying, they would never attack a military full on they would resort to massacres, sabotage, and rigging of high explosives in key positions. The problem is that they are space borne, and most of their ships even to the imperium are impossible to track and find. The Eldar would first create a webway on our planet and then from there secure an area by causing a black out or find an area devoid of human life or hiding in plain sight. Such as sneaking into a military base and killing everyone there without raising the alarm. The Striking Scorpions and Rangers would sneak in and get valuable information that they rip from the minds of their victims and the next day media starts blaring out that an entire military base was slaughtered and all its vehicles and assets sabotaged.

They would just write it as a terrorist attack. Not as an alien attack.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Wasn't a million of ton, for sure, I am sure a nuke would be more than enough to bring it down.

There is a difference between a building falling on a single object and a Titan. A titan probably has heat resistance and ceramite to protect it. I am pretty sure the Militaries of the world don't want to keep firing nukes and risk entire operations. I also don't think nukes nowadays would do great against targets that move and are mobile. Would the military really be truly able to nuke new york just because the enemy is there?

In the case of a planetary or national existential threat and ordered to by competent military authority? You better believe the military would cook a city to get at a military target. And whether or not the US military would be willing to do it...I'm betting other nuclear powers might be willing to do it anyway if there was a high enough threat.

Here is a map of a 5MT weapon going off to optimize 20 PSI overpressure. That is enough over pressure to completely demolish basically any modern building though 5 PSI is plenty for the vast majority of buildings. It creates winds over 500 MPH. Look at the area of devastation...not much is going to be alive in that.

Most people really have no clue just how powerful nuclear weapons are. It tends to make fiction where they are just throwing them around somewhat silly. But consider the reverence, awe, and terror that the AM treats Deathstrike missiles with. Those are probably several hundred Kiloton weapons assuming they are nuclear weapons, though they could be in the megaton class if they are relatively short-ranged.

Lendys wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Wasn't a million of ton, for sure, I am sure a nuke would be more than enough to bring it down.

There is a difference between a building falling on a single object and a Titan. A titan probably has heat resistance and ceramite to protect it. I am pretty sure the Militaries of the world don't want to keep firing nukes and risk entire operations. I also don't think nukes nowadays would do great against targets that move and are mobile. Would the military really be truly able to nuke new york just because the enemy is there?

In the case of a planetary or national existential threat and ordered to by competent military authority? You better believe the military would cook a city to get at a military target. And whether or not the US military would be willing to do it...I'm betting other nuclear powers might be willing to do it anyway if there was a high enough threat.

Here is a map of a 5MT weapon going off to optimize 20 PSI overpressure. That is enough over pressure to completely demolish basically any modern building though 5 PSI is plenty for the vast majority of buildings. It creates winds over 500 MPH. Look at the area of devastation...not much is going to be alive in that.

Most people really have no clue just how powerful nuclear weapons are. It tends to make fiction where they are just throwing them around somewhat silly. But consider the reverence, awe, and terror that the AM treats Deathstrike missiles with. Those are probably several hundred Kiloton weapons assuming they are nuclear weapons, though they could be in the megaton class if they are relatively short-ranged.

You would think that the imperium would have defenses against primitive weaponry. Because by and large all modern military weaponry is inferior to the far future's multilayered items that are apparently a mixture of the strongest materials known to man.

At the same time consider that Roman armor weighed about as much as modern body armor weighs.

The modern armor provides better protection against ballistic attacks, but the roman armor protects better against stabbing and slashing attacks. It depends heavily on what kind of weaponry you are facing that your armor is going to face.

Additionally, the answer, especially in the Guard, for how to handle things tends to be "more dakka" while modern military means tends to be "more accuracy." The 26" guns of an Iowa-class battleship are much more akin to the type of weaponry the AM would employ while advanced tracking missiles and the like which have become quite common in modern military forces are less common in 40K lore.

And, again, as I would point out, even the most impressive armor is eventually defeated by physics. Even if a Predator, or Leman Russ, or whatever, can survive the crushing force of a 20 PSI blast, you don't have to crush it to render it combat ineffective. Tip a Russ over and now it's just a big hunk of metal that has to be recovered somehow.

Lendys wrote:
At the same time consider that Roman armor weighed about as much as modern body armor weighs.

The modern armor provides better protection against ballistic attacks, but the roman armor protects better against stabbing and slashing attacks. It depends heavily on what kind of weaponry you are facing that your armor is going to face.

Have you actually worn and compared both before? Kevlar hard-plate and soft-plate together is pretty damn good against slashing and stabbing attacks too, if not more effective than hardened leather/breastplates.

Lol no. Kevlar soft plate without the metal insert only supplies limited resistance against stabs. It might do something against a slash, but it will be just as, if not possibly less effective than a gambeson.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Lol no. Kevlar soft plate without the metal insert only supplies limited resistance against stabs. It might do something against a slash, but it will be just as, if not possibly less effective than a gambeson.

I'm just gonna leave it here that I've been stabbed once while wearing hard+soft plates, and am incredibly thankful that I had them on...