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**gummyofallbears**

ok, so I am seriously looking into stating fantasy, but when would the 9th edition rules come out, mainly because I don't want to lean the 8th ediiton rules, spend like $50 on a rulebook, the spend $50 on a different one next month.

I would play "elves" because from what I hear its becoming a single book.

happy wargaming,

-Mikey

**toasteroven**

I'm pretty sure the release date is still unknown.

**Grey Templar**

The release date is currently unknown. However, I would actually still wait on buying the main rulebook even once it comes out.

A large chunk of the playerbase is planning on sticking with 8th edition if the 9th edition rules make many of the rumored sweeping changes(which may or may not be true). So you might want to wait and see what your local Meta ends up doing. You could still buy models and army books, you just might want to wait on the main rules till we see what is happening.

**gummyofallbears**

ok, I was just seeing if their were any rumors...

There is a single skaven player at my FLGS, but there is a GW store opening up around my location, so I don't know if I could really stick with 8th edition.

I just like the models, I haven't even spectated the game yet, so I will play basically whatever, skirmish or not.

Thanks for the help!

happy wargaming,

-Mikey

**phydaux**

gummyofallbears wrote:
I don't want to lean the 8th ediiton rules, spend like $50 on a rulebook, the spend $50 on a different one next month.

Don't worry, bro. You won't be spending FIFTY dollars. lol!

**Grey Templar**

gummyofallbears wrote:

There is a single skaven player at my FLGS, but there is a GW store opening up around my location, so I don't know if I could really stick with 8th edition.

People don't play at GW stores really. GW stopped offering gaming space in favor of more shelf space. So you really won't have to stick with the current edition unless people you play with want to.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Grey Templar wrote:
gummyofallbears wrote:

There is a single skaven player at my FLGS, but there is a GW store opening up around my location, so I don't know if I could really stick with 8th edition.

People don't play at GW stores really. GW stopped offering gaming space in favor of more shelf space. So you really won't have to stick with the current edition unless people you play with want to.

That varies massively from location to location. Round these parts the best place to get a game of 40k or WHFB is still the local GW store. Still has enough gaming space for several games to be running at once.

**Grey Templar**

Don't know about Australia's GW stores, but all the US ones have pretty much cut their game space from what I've heard and seen. And I wouldn't want to play where the staff are just pushing me to purchase something.

There could be an exception, but if its a new store I doubt it has much gaming space.

**XT-1984**

Grey Templar wrote:

A large chunk of the playerbase is planning on sticking with 8th edition if the 9th edition rules make many of the rumored sweeping changes

A large chunk lol

The same thing gets said every new edition and perhaps some people do play the older editions, until they grow bored of a stagnant game with armies that never evolve and a meta that never changes. No doubt they quickly run out of opponents as well.

I would say the vast majority of players will be playing 9th. Have faith, GW have been making great games for a long time now.

To the OP I would suggest buying something small you like the look of and paint it slowly. Perhaps keeping the base unattached until we know more about 9th.

**Bottle**

I would hold off till the new boxset comes out, just because GWs boxed sets are always amazing value and you'll be able to launch right into the new edition without any "guilt" of other models sitting unpainted on your shelf

**Shas'O Dorian**

XT-1984 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:

A large chunk of the playerbase is planning on sticking with 8th edition if the 9th edition rules make many of the rumored sweeping changes

A large chunk lol

The same thing gets said every new edition and perhaps some people do play the older editions, until they grow bored of a stagnant game with armies that never evolve and a meta that never changes. No doubt they quickly run out of opponents as well.

I would say the vast majority of players will be playing 9th. Have faith, GW have been making great games for a long time now.

To the OP I would suggest buying something small you like the look of and paint it slowly. Perhaps keeping the base unattached until we know more about 9th.

The difference is this time the changes are round bases, and "unbound" armies. I for one have no interest in playing a dwarf army make of 10 cannons & 10 organ guns...

**AllSeeingSkink**

Grey Templar wrote:
Don't know about Australia's GW stores, but all the US ones have pretty much cut their game space from what I've heard and seen. And I wouldn't want to play where the staff are just pushing me to purchase something.

There could be an exception, but if its a new store I doubt it has much gaming space.

I've been to a few stores in the US as well that had several (2-4) tables set up for pick up games as well. I was over there a year and a half ago, I doubt it's changed in that time.

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XT-1984 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:

A large chunk of the playerbase is planning on sticking with 8th edition if the 9th edition rules make many of the rumored sweeping changes

A large chunk lol

The same thing gets said every new edition and perhaps some people do play the older editions, until they grow bored of a stagnant game with armies that never evolve and a meta that never changes. No doubt they quickly run out of opponents as well.

I would say the vast majority of players will be playing 9th.

Given that 8th had a huge drop off in popularity I wouldn't take it as a given that the majority of WHFB players will be transitioning to 9th. There's already a lot of people still playing 7th and earlier or simply quit completely.

Have faith, GW have been making great games for a long time now.

LOL, GW haven't made a great game in years. The current rulesets for 40k and WHFB go back to the 90's, and most their game making experience is the 90's and earlier as well. Epic, Necromunda, Mordheim, Space Hulk, they are all over 15 years old now. The current editions of 40k and WHFB go back to 1998 and 1992 respectively, since then GW have just been shuffling around the same rule sets, typically in a way is trying to improve their revenue rather than the games.

There's a reason people are concerned about the rumours of big changes, I lost faith in GW's rules writing ability years ago.

If GW had been pumping out quality games for the past 15 years I think there'd be far less concern in the community with regards to 9th.

**toasteroven**

If you're still planning on playing elves, they should at least be one of the "safe" armies. The basic infantry probably won't change too much.

**Col. Tartleton**

In D&D terms this may well be the Fourth Edition that everyone ignores so we'll keep playing Three Five and hoping someone puts out a proper Pathfinder equivalent (go home Mantic you're drunk) until they either give up on the system or make it Warhammer again.

**Boss Salvage**

gummyofallbears wrote:ok, so I am seriously looking into stating fantasy, but when would the 9th edition rules come out, mainly because I don't want to lean the 8th ediiton rules, spend like $50 on a rulebook, the spend $50 on a different one next month.

The new rule book will cost far more than $50, however you can find the 8E rule book for far cheaper than $50 if you'd like one. Actually, picking up Island of Blood on a good deal could be a thought for you, as you'll use the elf models + the book, and might be able to sell the skaven to that skaven guy?

Bottle wrote:I would hold off till the new boxset comes out, just because GWs boxed sets are always amazing value ...

However as the 8E box had elves in it, it's rather unlikely the 9E box will

- Salvage

**sco0terkidx**

Shas'O Dorian wrote:
XT-1984 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:

A large chunk of the playerbase is planning on sticking with 8th edition if the 9th edition rules make many of the rumored sweeping changes

A large chunk lol

The same thing gets said every new edition and perhaps some people do play the older editions, until they grow bored of a stagnant game with armies that never evolve and a meta that never changes. No doubt they quickly run out of opponents as well.

I would say the vast majority of players will be playing 9th. Have faith, GW have been making great games for a long time now.

To the OP I would suggest buying something small you like the look of and paint it slowly. Perhaps keeping the base unattached until we know more about 9th.

The difference is this time the changes are round bases, and "unbound" armies. I for one have no interest in playing a dwarf army make of 10 cannons & 10 organ guns...

If you've kept up with recent rumors, round bases are only going to be introduced in the skirmish-style of gameplay that 9th edition is going to offer. The other styles consist of the same-old Warhammer that we all know and love. I also have no idea where you got the implication of "unbound armies" either.. Seeing how that was specifically an End Times: Archaon thing that no one even used and hasn't been talked about since.

For the overall thread, pick up the Island of Blood minibook and go ahead and pick up some models. It's the same with every edition where people freak out and act like the sky is falling when it's really not. My advice is to pick up models that you like based on appearance, though, and not what they do on the table. With 9th edition will come some changed rules that may change the effectiveness of units/models that everyone uses today [For example, with the rumors providing huge bonuses to cavalry and charging and the nerf to steadfast (and implying that they will soon be true), I doubt I'd even touch my Skaven army for a while].

**SilverMK2**

Check out Kings of War instead. Version two is out soon and it is free online, or reasonably cheap for a printed copy. KoW2 will also have list ports for most whfb armies too.

**Bottle**

Boss Salvage wrote:
gummyofallbears wrote:ok, so I am seriously looking into stating fantasy, but when would the 9th edition rules come out, mainly because I don't want to lean the 8th ediiton rules, spend like $50 on a rulebook, the spend $50 on a different one next month.
The new rule book will cost far more than $50, however you can find the 8E rule book for far cheaper than $50 if you'd like one. Actually, picking up Island of Blood on a good deal could be a thought for you, as you'll use the elf models + the book, and might be able to sell the skaven to that skaven guy?

Bottle wrote:I would hold off till the new boxset comes out, just because GWs boxed sets are always amazing value ...
However as the 8E box had elves in it, it's rather unlikely the 9E box will

- Salvage

Good call, I didn't see the OP was after elves. I'm just blind for the new boxset because I'm pretty sure it's gonna contain Empire (or Humans/Warriors of Light/Astra Empirium w/e they will be called).

**Shas'O Dorian**

sco0terkidx wrote:
I also have no idea where you got the implication of "unbound armies" either.. Seeing how that was specifically an End Times: Archaon thing that no one even used and hasn't been talked about since.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-new-edition-overview.html wrote:via Warseer’s Lord Dan 5-26-2015

Latest WFB 9th “Overview”

Originally Posted by Neo-birdy
Hey Dan, don´t want my name associated with rumours since I don´t know how much GW actually check stuff on forums, but anyway to make a long story short, a guy at GW HQ phoned me today & we had a long conversation since he wants me to become a GW retailer. I told him I was unsure due to recent warhammer fantasy rumours & GW not letting the public know anything, so after a while I got the following things confirmed:9:th edition is coming out this summer.Round bases is a go, you will be able to play with Square bases, but after 9:th edition hits, Everything will be sold with round bases.

Everything will be able to skirmish, but many units will be able to rank up as well, GW will releasemovement trays made for this

Unbound will exist, as will bound lists, basically what he told me is that it´s what the public wants, however to avoid powergaming there will be scenarios which require you to hold objectives etc etc & units in an unbound army can´t hold an objective as long as an enemy is within x inches, while bound armies can. He said something about getting bonus points for killing the enemy commander as well, something unbound armies couldn´t get. So they will encourage both styles but in different ways.

He only confirmed one new faction, which was humans, he said it will basically be Empire + Bretonnia & some new troops. He was very clear about no army being squatted though.

There was also talk of it in the news & rumours thread. Also looking at how 40k went...

**timetowaste85**

9th edition hits July 11th. I had conflicting information from someone in GW ( not a black shirt) that round bases were a personal project, not something for 9th. I didn't believe that part though. Round bases for skirmish and square for the big game sound reasonable though. And I've also been informed no models will be invalidated.

**NWansbutter**

timetowaste85 wrote:
9th edition hits July 11th. I had conflicting information from someone in GW ( not a black shirt) that round bases were a personal project, not something for 9th. I didn't believe that part though. Round bases for skirmish and square for the big game sound reasonable though. And I've also been informed no models will be invalidated.

Well that's good to hear.

I'm a bit sad (but not surprised) to hear that Bretonnians are getting folded into the Empire. This will mean a loss of Bretonnia's unique flavor but at least they'll still be playable and won't go over a decade between army books.

I'll play 6th in my basement with my kids and if 9th is decent use the same models with Empire rules for tournaments or FLGS gaming.

**Mort**

Bottle wrote:

Good call, I didn't see the OP was after elves. I'm just blind for the new boxset because I'm pretty sure it's gonna contain Empire (or Humans/Warriors of Light/Astra Empirium w/e they will be called).

Yeah, it would be pretty funny if the big new edition is "Age of Sigmar! RAWR!" and they include elves and dwarves in the box. LOL

**gummyofallbears**

well. This post is moot.

"Age of Sigmar" is set to be coming out on the 4th of july.

I'm definitely pre-ordering that one.

Well, thanks for the help everyone.

-mikey

**lord_blackfang**

If you're going for Elves, the current starter is a pretty sweet buy, regardless of whether the rulebook will be useful to you.

**Vulcan**

High Elves, anyway.

Wood Elves have a completely different look, and converting them to Dark Elves is possible... but can be quite time consuming, especially for the Seaguard.

**Shas'O Dorian**

I won't be preordering. Preordering is Donkey doo doo.

There is no benefit to the consumer, where as I can NOT commit my money & instead just see how it looks.

There's an old saying: Pre-ordered, Pre-screwed.

**HobbyBox**

If I preorder anything, it will just be the rulebook, as I see myself buying that even if the entire Internet is calling it gak, just to see what all the fuss is about. That, and it will then be a good bookend on my time with the game on my shelf

**JamesY**

I don't think bases actually matter in 9th ed, the move to round is purely to reduce production costs and reduce the number of low selling lines.