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 malfred wrote:
You don't overwatch a shotgun unless you're dealing with
Chrysalids. You double move into cover or hunker or out of
line of sight.

You can overwatch a shotgun. You just have to go around a corner that you know an alien will go by.

Of course i find aliens have the uncanny ability of knowing just how far away they need to go to not be in overwatch while also being close enough to shoot and in full cover. It's really obnoxious.

Ya know it's almost like the computer cheats and knows where you are even when they're not supposed to ;P.

I'm saying that there are better things to do than to overwatch the shotgun.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/12/meet-the-xcom-2-sectoid-and-viper-ign-first

Some info on the enemies. I kind of like the new idea for the aliens. That they are strong and they also seem to be ability rich. With a few different abilities.

So according to the developer's the impossible ironman ending is canon.

I consider that 'challenge accepted' for my 'enemy within' playthroughs. I'm going to beat it on impossible ironman before xcom 2 is released. Hopefully that wouldn't prevent the game being released ;P.

So basically that won't be the excuse that impossible ironman is the canon ending because i'll beat it hehe.

Anybody else wanna try?

@flamingkillamajig: I dunno, there are lots of ways in programming to ensure "impossible" is exactly that, I admire the attitude. There are too many variables they could tweak to ensure a loss.

I do admit though, I have had much fun poking around inside programs with "cheat-engine" to catch a glimpse on how some of these programs work. Like when you hunt down a given number in the game and go back and find the address that writes to it... makes me really want to see the source-code one day. I think they did release some of the math within the game.

When is the XCOM 2 E3 coverage?

 Alex C wrote:
When is the XCOM 2 E3 coverage?

Wednesday with some gameplay videos/information released later today.

Well i know the bit about humanity never getting laser weapons even is a hoax in my impossible ironman games at least. I usually can get that but best i can usually live till is end of month 3. Alien base assault is fairly hard and i always almost beat it but fail. Then i succeeded once early and got an xcom base defense which destroyed me at the end of month 3 once.

Stupid question because I've never done it, but is there a different
ending to impossible ironman? Or do you just mean Impossible Ironman fail?

I meant it was said in an interview by the developers that impossible ironman was canon. They also said something along the lines of humanity lost so bad they didn't go beyond ballistic weapons.

Meaning that humanity just gets trounced because Impossible
Ironman is so hard or because it has extra cutscenes?

The former.

 malfred wrote:
Meaning that humanity just gets trounced because Impossible
Ironman is so hard or because it has extra cutscenes?

The developers essentially used it as an example of how badly humanity lost.

And you can lose Impossible Ironman *very* quickly with just a little bad luck.

 malfred wrote:
Meaning that humanity just gets trounced because Impossible
Ironman is so hard or because it has extra cutscenes?

Yes the first one.

The developers said impossible ironman is canon and they got owned so hard they didn't advance beyond ballistics. They might not have even captured an alien or at least not many. Either way the aliens are significantly different now.

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I like how the thin men were snake women all along. Considering how they move and everything they do it actually makes a lot of sense. Also am i the only one laughing and weirded out that snake women will probably be sexualized by some pretty pathetic gamers somewhere?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I like how the thin men were snake women all along. Considering how they move and everything they do it actually makes a lot of sense.

Do you mean Thin Men are genetically engineered infiltrators that were developed using Viper DNA as a starting point, or that they are actually Vipers? Because the latter is completely idiotic.

Also am i the only one laughing and weirded out that snake women will probably be sexualized by some pretty pathetic gamers somewhere?

The Vipers do nothing for me, but as long as somebody knows when not to bring it up, I don't care if it hits somebody's kinks.

No i mean that the snake women have been said to be posing as thin men. Their actual form outside of the thin men disguise is being a snake woman. It's in the bio somewhere. Thing is they have no need for the disguise now that the aliens own earth. To be honest i don't completely believe that since thin men could possibly try to sneak into society somewhat and plan traps for xcom but whatever.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
No i mean that the snake women have been said to be posing as thin men. Their actual form outside of the thin men disguise is being a snake woman.

In that case, I stand by my previous statement that that is completely idiotic. Vipers have no legs - they're not going to get away with wearing any disguise that requires wearing trousers.

I'm with AlexHolker here. You need to go back and re-read that, I think you might be wrong.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/12/meet-the-xcom-2-sectoid-and-viper-ign-first

This was posted just on this page. Scroll down and you'll see it mentions the viper women posed as thin men.

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Here's an excerpt for the lazy.

"But the Sectoid is just one of the enemies occupying the alien-built, sterile white mega-cities of XCOM 2. The other alien Firaxis has revealed so far is an all-new threat coming to XCOM 2: The Viper. This venomous reptile is the spiritual successor to the Snake Men of the original X-COM: UFO Defense, and Firaxis reveals they’re the “true form” of the Thin Men in Enemy Unknown, who no longer have to conceal their presence."

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Perhaps it was just some sort of trick of perception that they had. Maybe staring into their eyes, chameleonic skin or perhaps some shape-shift ability. Wtf knows. Personally i think it can work if explained properly. Probably won't be explained though.

When you think about it it can work. I mean how many times have conspiracy nuts suggested snake people posing as world leaders. It's rather a funny jab at it.

I suspect that it was more a temporary form given to them. The Sectoids have been changed rather dramatically, and are now apparently quite dangerous individually. It's quite possible that each Thin Man was a Viper that had been modified into its current form with the thought that it would be modified back when the mission was over. Thin Men would certainly be useless on any planet *other* than Earth.


As for sexualizing them...

Two words - Naga Porn

There's plenty of artwork out there of humanoid torsos on snake bodies, and plenty of those torsos are scaled with heavy snake-like features - arguably snakes with arms. And some of it is, unsurprisingly, porn.

So it's already happened even before they were announced.

My guess is the Thin-men were genetically engineered variants of the Snake-men specifically made for infiltrating Earth. Once Earth was conquered they stopped making altered versions.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Also am i the only one laughing and weirded out that snake women will probably be sexualized by some pretty pathetic gamers somewhere?

They are already sexualised. Was there really any need to give them breasts?

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Also am i the only one laughing and weirded out that snake women will probably be sexualized by some pretty pathetic gamers somewhere?

They are already sexualised. Was there really any need to give them breasts?

Well i meant a seductive snake. Would be funny and disturbing. People might also sexualize em more. Hey i've said it before if it exists there's probably something dirty of it.

Can't wait.

I suppose Naga is better than slenderman

So today twice in a row in the alien base assault on impossible ironman i was doing ok and then i unveil at least 3 chrysallids as i'm about to finish the turn
i hate how they scurry about to where you are so if you are out of actions they'll just eat 3 of your guys in a turn resulting in you hurrying to kill the other 3 before 3 more hatch. One inevitably does and then they get an auto move to kill your guys. It's just so ****ing annoying. I'm going to try my best to at least kill a handful of chrysallids and then make some chitin plating or do something to counter this. Also i found out they're immune to thin men poison somehow which is complete bull.

So they just decided to throw it all in the blender and push the start button? Cant say that video really sold me, as the system seems somewhat less than desiarble, but I will keep my hopes that the finished version looks and plays better than that demonstration.
If all fails we will still have the long war mod

Alright so this should be a stable run of impossible ironman but it took me forever to get. I now have 6 member squads with full carapace armor and full laser weapons including my interceptors with some laser weapons. Research is going pretty fast now and i'm in the middle of month 3. I went through a ridiculous bunch of missions all at once to survive and many of which happened with my A-team in medbay (had to let one council mission go and i'm still unsure if that was a good thing) and it was tough but i'm doing better now. I may even succeed this impossible ironman run just like last time when i got bored. The only thing that can really stop me at this point is the base defense mission and not much else. Hopefully that doesn't happen when my A-team is in medbay but i unlocked 'rapid recovery' so i should be ok.

Stop it. You're making me want to load up the long war

 malfred wrote:
Stop it. You're making me want to load up the long war

If you do, make sure to try the new version, Its insanely good. But damn is i unforgiving as in throwing ten thin men, six mutons and ten seciods at you in a random abduction mission