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 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The new gun shown in the hands of those new Fire Warriors is pretty much a reworked carbine, minus the grenade launcher that it previously had.

I'd say that's a good thing. Carbines losing Pinning is a great thing!

Makes me wonder though if drones will retain this.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Blast is out because the weapon is too small for that. I can only see some sort of lesser special rule like Concussive.

After them putting Blast on Grenadier Gauntlets? I would not say that it's "too small".

Have you seen those Grenadier Gauntlets? They are actually pretty darn big, being almost the size of a SM missile launcher.

Grenadier gauntlets are almost the same size as Guard mortars.

 Breotan wrote:
I have a feeling FW will be making arms soon enough. The roof, on the other hand...

Just fill in that cavity with "green stuff" and do a little detail modelling on it....rivets & seems....


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 tetrisphreak wrote:
Here's my official guess at the new Fire Warrior weapon we've seen in the stormsurge pictures - Pulse Shotgun. Range: 12". S5 AP5, Blast, Assault 1. designed for brave fire warrior teams who lead breaching assaults. support teams destroy enemy transport vehicles and the breachers take out the clumped up infantry with extreme prejudice.

Just a guess. Any other guesses?

Knowing this is happening -

- Strike team
- Breacher team

I am guessing

- Strike team - fast choice & jump packs (those new packs with side thrusters) & shotgun style weapon (with rerolls maybe?)...

- Breacher team - troop choice & shotgun style weapon (with rerolls maybe?)...

Just the names suggest a close quarters explosive scatter style weapons choice.... The pic also showed a pistol in one of their hands....

There's no telling what's going to happen to FW. The strike group is probably going to retain rifle/carbine option unchanged (with a slight points drop, hopefully) and then the breach group (veterans makes sense, as most armies now have a standard troop option then a veteran troop option) could gain a 12" Rending Assault 2 Str 5 Ap 5 shotgun to back up their WS 4 BS 4 Str 4 Ap 2 lightsaber new statline for 10 points (I just pulled that out of the air, btw. Waiting for it to appear on BoLS as from a "GW insider" lol). There's no telling until we see the White Dwarf. Odds are it is shorter range but better in assaults.

vitae_drinker wrote:
There's no telling what's going to happen to FW. The strike group is probably going to retain rifle/carbine option unchanged (with a slight points drop, hopefully) and then the breach group (veterans makes sense, as most armies now have a standard troop option then a veteran troop option) could gain a 12" Rending Assault 2 Str 5 Ap 5 shotgun to back up their WS 4 BS 4 Str 4 Ap 2 lightsaber new statline for 10 points (I just pulled that out of the air, btw. Waiting for it to appear on BoLS as from a "GW insider" lol). There's no telling until we see the White Dwarf. Odds are it is shorter range but better in assaults.

Yeah, those stats really are PIDOOMA. If the Stormsurge isn't getting BS4, Fire Warriors sure aren't. WS3 at most, because Tau can't be good at CC. That "lightsaber" only has the power of a chainsword.

The breacher group is probably just a jump variant of the Fire Warriors with a new basic gun.

Would be interesting if the new FW squad has Concussive or Strikedown since afaik EVERYTHING that has those rules typically splats their target anyway. Be the first time you could get those rules without insanely high strength coupling it.

Also the ghostkeel is on the mini-oval base? Oh thats much better. I thought it was on the normal oval base and was worried footprints would be too big too quick with ~9 MC's around lol.

Also why is carbines losing Pinning a great thing....? Thats the sole reason i even bother with carbines.

I had hoped that a White Dwarf leak would've dropped by now with more info on the Ghostkeel.

Tau XV95 Ghostkeel $75
Kit makes 1 XV95 and 2 Stealth Drones

Larger than a Broadside suit

Drones protect the XV95 from incoming fire

$75 for a ghostkeel.....not surprised but still ouch.

Thats 225 for a full squad. Anybody wanting to field a multitude of these things suffer worse than those wanting to field mass broadsides lol. Ouch.

Ugh. If they only have two guns? No way are they worth that price. Especially when it basically works out to 100 cad. So that's 300. For two more of those I can just grab a Ta'unar. Not worth it in price or points. Please let the rules be good and not what we've seen. I'm also surprised there's no leak yet.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
$75 for a ghostkeel.....not surprised but still ouch.

Thats 225 for a full squad. Anybody wanting to field a multitude of these things suffer worse than those wanting to field mass broadsides lol. Ouch.

preorders are on some sites... starting at $56.25...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
$75 for a ghostkeel.....not surprised but still ouch.

Thats 225 for a full squad. Anybody wanting to field a multitude of these things suffer worse than those wanting to field mass broadsides lol. Ouch.

preorders are on some sites... starting at $56.25...

Yeah, 25% discount

Makes a huge difference.

Where you finding that? I see nothing on Ebay yet and i dont know any non-GW websites that has full models.

 Talys wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
$75 for a ghostkeel.....not surprised but still ouch.

Thats 225 for a full squad. Anybody wanting to field a multitude of these things suffer worse than those wanting to field mass broadsides lol. Ouch.

preorders are on some sites... starting at $56.25...

Yeah, 25% discount

Makes a huge difference.

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 Vineheart01 wrote:
Where you finding that? I see nothing on Ebay yet and i dont know any non-GW websites that has full models.

contact spikey bits, dicehead, neal at the warstore, bunker games, g2k games.....


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I had wondered if the Breacher units would have scaled down infantry weapons based on reverse conversion beamer rules like the Stormsurge's blastcannon. ARC technology in handheld form.
Close range is probably , anti armor weapons. 2nd range would be normalish last range would be a small blast.

Breacher makes me think that they would have Pulse Carbines and maybe have some way to either slow a charge or pull a "fighting retreat" similar to Darkstrider. No way they would actually be strong in CC but maybe they are good at staying out of CC to begin with. Something like that would be great for Devilfish teams.

Ooo, I wonder if they'd make Darkstrider an upgrade character for these new breacher squads (and/or pathfinders)?

I love the model and he has interesting rules, but so difficult to fit in as an HQ

 Jadenim wrote:
Ooo, I wonder if they'd make Darkstrider an upgrade character for these new breacher squads (and/or pathfinders)?

I love the model and he has interesting rules, but so difficult to fit in as an HQ

It's time to stop thinking in terms of the CAD. At this juncture, it's basically guaranteed that this will be a Decurion styled book and there likely will be a formation similar to the Space Marines' "10th Company Task Force" consisting of Pathfinders with a 0-1 option for Darkstrider.

The Tau will have a detachment that is 2 old FW teams, 1+ of the new FW variant, 1+ of something that nobody used because it sucked, and 1+ of something that lots of people used, plus an HQ (probably fireblades?). Oh, and a heavy option.

Bonuses if you bring two of them.

Fireblades are Troops in the new Codex, I believe.

 Verviedi wrote:
Fireblades are Troops in the new Codex, I believe.

They are in the Troops section of the website, they are not likely to be actual Troops choices.

They might become upgrades to Fire Warrior Squads or be a mandatory part of a "Fire Caste Cadre" or any number of potential things but it is very unlikely that they will become Troops choices in and of themselves.

Dorp. Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry.

What they may do is something like how warlocks worked, which is to say a "squad" of them takes up a HQ slot, but you can spread them out through your troops.

Yeah.... Fireblades (an IC) won't become a troops choice. Please use some common sense.

They'd be elites at least lol

You do know that the Cadre Fireblade has always been in the Troops section of the GW website right? Atleast on the swedish site. I have been wodnering why he is there ever since he wa first released with the current codex.

 Talys wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
$75 for a ghostkeel.....not surprised but still ouch.

Thats 225 for a full squad. Anybody wanting to field a multitude of these things suffer worse than those wanting to field mass broadsides lol. Ouch.

preorders are on some sites... starting at $56.25...

Yeah, 25% discount

Makes a huge difference.

Actually it doesn't make a huge difference.. it makes about 0 difference because that rationale is touted almost *every time*. If you've been getting 25% off (which is easy to do and doesn't require a post) then you're getting exactly a 0% discount every time GW raises their prices due to your starting point already being 25% off.

A price increase is a price increase and I don't understand not blasting GW for it.. since they're doing it EVERY codex now for no reason.

Humph, the price is not that bad, considering these will be available after some time from various resellers and so on. The breacher FWs sound really interesting, I wonder what GW did with them. Can't wait for WD leaks!

cheers
Kahnawake

EDIT: pics are to big, you can see them here too^^

Ghostkeel rules

http://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/249

 Jadenim wrote:
Ooo, I wonder if they'd make Darkstrider an upgrade character for these new breacher squads (and/or pathfinders)?

I love the model and he has interesting rules, but so difficult to fit in as an HQ

Problem with Darkstrider is how expensive he is for a model that at best buffs 12 Fire Warriors and another special rule that puts him in extreme danger. For his points you can just take another 12 Fire Warriors and get roughly 1.5x the dakka, and double the wounds.