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Perhaps some sort of re-deployment?

it would be cool to use the Tau aegis for ZM (if it fits in xD)

Tau will now have BB-8 turrets so the turret can move with the squad! <sarcasm>

Also, with the new Suits and big mech I think I'm smelling a Riptide nerf...

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The part that impresses me the most though is that it's apparently mobile and the rules are likely in the Tau Codex.

Are you just basing that on the fact that it's floating? Because nothing so far has indicated mobility. Though that would definitely be very Tau.

can you imagine how tough that would be in game though, to move that entire fortification even 3" a turn? by the time you get anywhere you'd be unable to move it because of existing terrain.

It'd be funny though. "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my railgun barrel."

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The part that impresses me the most though is that it's apparently mobile and the rules are likely in the Tau Codex.

Are you just basing that on the fact that it's floating? Because nothing so far has indicated mobility. Though that would definitely be very Tau.

That's where I based that from.

Ooh, so it is mobile, I wonder how that will work.

Oh boy, mobile fortification...

"Sir, the Tau are advancing the front lines!"
"Let them come, we'll kill them in honourable melee."
"No sir, they're advancing not only their soldiers, but THEIR PHYSICAL FRONTLINE!"

And it was glorious.

 Atia wrote:

Thanks for the pics. The ethereal in that pic reminds me of the guy standing on the platform on the 2nd Tau codex (the Empire one). I always thought he was an honor guard given the armour and not an ethereal.

 Atia wrote:
it would be cool to use the Tau aegis for ZM (if it fits in xD)

Do you mean Forge World ZM? or something else perchance ?

Also based on this image looks like old Fire Warriors would look to outa place, if they look outa place at all
Its kinda hard to tell but look to the far left/bottom

It's an okay figure but not worth the set honestly.

Looks like they kept their heads, kind of glad about that. Probably just more detail on the model and stuff, exactly what we needed.


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As a whole, I'm not too upset if it turns out to be a nerf. If that means upcoming releases will be toned down, that's only a good thing in my mind, I went through years of the 4th edition codex, so I'm used to my army being under-powered.

I really want to find a place for the breachers. Their idea certainly fits with my current army and playstyle (short-medium ranged, mobile), but with that gun, I don't think I'll be able to. I might just use some of their models as carbine equipped FWs though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's where I based that from.

Good catch, thanks!

SaJeel wrote:

 Atia wrote:
it would be cool to use the Tau aegis for ZM (if it fits in xD)

Do you mean Forge World ZM? or something else perchance ?

Also based on this image looks like old Fire Warriors would look to outa place, if they look outa place at all
Its kinda hard to tell but look to the far left/bottom

Forgeworld ZM^^ i have a 6'x4' board^^

but if the aegis part is one thing (and not 3 smaller ones), it's too long :<

rollawaythestone wrote:
Kroot? Something else coming next week? Or is a reference to Raven Guard?

'Patient Hunter' is what one of the Tau war philosophies translates to.

Well now there's something I can't unsee.

30 pounds for ten guys well it better come with that turret for that.

That new plastic Ethereal is awesome. And since you can never have enough Pathfinders, Stealth Suits, or Piranhas, I'm gonna be picking up one of those box sets for sure.

I actually like the Breachers. Same cost as a normal FW team (albeit with smaller max squad size) with access to SMS or an MP plus access to a 5++? Yes please. The only problem is the range on the Pulse Blaster. But even then, these guys have their uses.

Load them up in Devilfish, shoot forward as fast as you can up to objectives and bunker down. Between a Devilfish, potential cover, a 4+ and a 5++, these guys are gonna pretty difficult to dislodge for their points.

Alternatively, keep them back for Supporting Fire purposes. Very few armies want to get in a shooting match with Tau, which means many armies try to rush us and get into CC. So, keep these guys back, out of LOS or in a Devilfish or something, and when the enemy tries to charge your Broadsides or Riptide or whatever you have backfield, pump 'em full of S6 AP3.

Not to mention the fact that we are looking at these guys in a vacuum, which will not give them a fair shake. There's going to be at least one formation using these guys, which could affect their rules a lot, depending on the additional rules. Maybe they have a formation that lets Devilfish deeps strike, or maybe there's a formation giving them infiltrate. And of course that's not counting the changes to the rest of the codex. Note that it says these guys can take any drone from the Drone List, meaning that Guardian Drones are confirmed on the Drone List. Which means other drones might be as well (these guys could benefit greatly from a Pulse Accelerator Drone). We also don't know if Devilfish have changed at all. Maybe they can Deep Strike naturally now. Maybe they get Scout.

Until we see how the codex will interact with these guys (this goes for the Stormsurge and the Ghostkeel as well), any assumptions made about their power level is pointless.

Tau did come out suspiciously close to the release of Episode One...

I think i might get the Tau campaign box, the fortification and a box of Fire Warriors.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think i might get the Tau campaign box, the fortification and a box of Fire Warriors.

If I wanted to start Tau, I would do that as well. The set comes with a pretty fluffy group of models. I would get a better looking commander like a Fireblade Cadre or a Crisis Suit Commander for an HQ though, since I don't care for the look of the Ethereal though. I really hope we see campaign boxes like this for more armies. Wouldn't mind seeing them rerelease the different halves of the previous boxes sets separately. They make good fluffy army starters. And the campaign books, while small, do come with some pretty cool data sheets (I really like Krom Dragongaze, Captain Karlaen, and Cassor the Damned). And hell, it lets you field an army without buying the codex. Great for someone just getting into the game.

How / why does GW do it?

Excitement level before seeing £30 for 10 infantrymen was around 9/10, which (for me) would translate to a purchase of maybe 3 sets?

After seeing the £30 price tag its dropped to maybe 5/10 and I might buy 1 box at a discounted price from someone other than GW.

Thats quite a sizeable loss of profit if others react in a similar fashion.

What the Feth are they going to charge for the XV8s?
My guess is £50 for two.

Seriously, I was pretty excited about these new releases, but the more I see the more I go 'meh'. Sure the models are pretty cool overal, but the rules are just utter gak. These breachers are strictly worse at any range then normal firewarriors over 5", like wtf? You will NEVER get anything into that range without losing your entire squad next turn, even piling out of a devilfish it will be hard to deploy your dudes in such a way (due to the silly access point locations) to get half of them in 5" of a target. Sure the invul save is nice, but you have to pay 12 points for the guardian drones, but if the normal firewarriors also get this option, why would you ever bother taking the breacher team? Looking at the big picture the pulse rifle FW's have the old backpacks though, so I guess no field amplier (and thus no invul), gg GW, gg.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think i might get the Tau campaign box, the fortification and a box of Fire Warriors.

If I wanted to start Tau, I would do that as well. The set comes with a pretty fluffy group of models. I would get a better looking commander like a Fireblade Cadre or a Crisis Suit Commander for an HQ though, since I don't care for the look of the Ethereal though. I really hope we see campaign boxes like this for more armies. Wouldn't mind seeing them rerelease the different halves of the previous boxes sets separately. They make good fluffy army starters. And the campaign books, while small, do come with some pretty cool data sheets (I really like Krom Dragongaze, Captain Karlaen, and Cassor the Damned). And hell, it lets you field an army without buying the codex. Great for someone just getting into the game.

I've been asking for this for a while.


Maybe this is how the supposed genestealer cult will appear

I was posting ideas for "Campaign Boxes" a looooooooong time ago.

Raven Guard v. Tau was even one of them.

Surprised that we have not seen the Fortification rules yet.


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MoD_Legion wrote:
Seriously, I was pretty excited about these new releases, but the more I see the more I go 'meh'. Sure the models are pretty cool overal, but the rules are just utter gak. These breachers are strictly worse at any range then normal firewarriors over 5", like wtf? You will NEVER get anything into that range without losing your entire squad next turn, even piling out of a devilfish it will be hard to deploy your dudes in such a way (due to the silly access point locations) to get half of them in 5" of a target. Sure the invul save is nice, but you have to pay 12 points for the guardian drones, but if the normal firewarriors also get this option, why would you ever bother taking the breacher team? Looking at the big picture the pulse rifle FW's have the old backpacks though, so I guess no field amplier (and thus no invul), gg GW, gg.

You pay 12 points for the Guardian Drones and they take up a slot from the Shas'ui drone allotment.
It might be that the "Strike Team" does not have Field Amplifiers--meaning a 6+ Invulnerable Save instead of a 5+(read the wording on the Guardian Drone again).

So Breachers can get into that magical 0-5" range and possibly put down a decent sized unit while still retaining a 5+ Invulnerable Save, 4+ armor save, or whatever Cover save they could claim.

Plus we do not know what Bonding Knives do now.

Honestly, just making this assult 3 would fix all my problems with it. And possibly giving the long ranged AP5or6. IT would make it a legitamte trade-off to the pulse carbine. That or making it 5,5 up to 15" and giving it pinning.

Campaign box has some really weak selection of models with basically no savings. Stealth Team, Pathfinders, Piranha, Ethereal is a really weak lineup and an odd mix with limited to no synergy. Also after two battleforce sets containing Stealth Teams I highly doubt anybody needs more of them.

Fire Warrior box has 10 minatures and yet we know it has a new turret and drone model so does that mean it has 8 actual infantry models inside? This would be an credibly bad way to get people into playing Tau when your paying more than Space Marine prices for a 9 point Fire Warrior. GW is also giving the US the grot treatment with that conversion rate. Should be priced at $45 US and yet its $50.

Pulse Blaster seems like a cool idea but the only beneficial range is 5" or less and outside of that its completely outclassed by pulse carbines/rifles (unless GW is pulling the old nerf and switch). Only way a Breacher can get that close to take advantage of that weapon is to use a Devilfish but if Devilfish aren't free (Taucurion maybe) or have a way cheaper base cost then i doubt these would be practical compared to Pulse Rifle/Carbine Fire Warrior spam or Plasma Crisis teams.

I had such high hopes for the new Fire Warrior kit but these prices are really horrible. I can get 5 GK Terminators for the dollar price of "10" Fire Warriors.

Um... not sure if anyone has considered this yet, but - imagine how those breachers look with both the guardian drone and a pulse accelerator drone from the old pathfinders? All of a sudden you have carbines with a weaker long shot and a pretty good shot at 11"

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dayum.

That new Crisis Suit is GORGEOUS.

right!?!
new leg pose, new kneepads, straight arm, new shoulder pad, twisted waist!!!
i can't wait to get confirmation on this set...

the two new campaign boxes will be preorders for me...
the Captain and Ethereal are top-notch minis!!!
luckily, i still need Pathfinders and Sternguard, too...
result!!!

i am so stoked for this release...
Tau are looking better than ever, and i already had a soft spot for their look...

i already had Matt Holland (the main Tau sculptor) tell me that he wants to see my take on his white and red scheme that the studio has adopted, and now i am feeling properly inspired to give it a go...

cheers
jah

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Honestly, just making this assult 3 would fix all my problems with it. And possibly giving the long ranged AP5or6. IT would make it a legitamte trade-off to the pulse carbine. That or making it 5,5 up to 15" and giving it pinning.

Did you see the crapstorm that got stirred up when I suggested that Scions get an Assault 4 Strength 7 AP2 "Overcharged" mode(with Gets Hot) for their guns?

And you want to do S6 AP3 with Assault 3?

I find it really interesting though that this is the statline the Breachers get. Someone earlier said they do the Scion job but better, and honestly? That's definitely looking to be the case.

These would be decent if we get the free dedicated transports that space marines get. 90-100 points for a full team and a devilfish, even if the devilfish is unchanged rules wise, makes them seem better.

Also adding a few S7 shots to a regular fire warrior squad would be nice if they get the same turret rule since they are the ones that will be sitting still. If they are made from the same box then I'm sure they will have the option.

 Forcast wrote:
These would be decent if we get the free dedicated transports that space marines get. 90-100 points for a full team and a devilfish, even if the devilfish is unchanged rules wise, makes them seem better.

You know how else they would be decent?

With the rest of the rules for the book.