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 Cypher-xv wrote:


Yes I have played the game. It's fun an all but I'm not going to put much more effort into RRT, not anymore. The whole battlepod conga line is silly. So yes I do know what I'm talking about. By the way stay classy guy. I'm sure calling people or their post dumb is why papa Kevin loves you. Please continue to defend PBs honor.

Gotta love gak like this.
You essentially called him a liar and a fan friend, but he's the one who is wrong for calling you on it.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Capt. Karuther's didn't know which post to respond too since they all are the same but this one will do, for starters I say the models are gak and garbage and I'm willing to bet i have assembled a whole lot more of these models then you have

Yeah, I was wondering when you'd show up to comment...LOL. I'm not debating on the quality of models. Overall, Robotech models fall somewhere in the middle. I've built tons of models too, so great I guess? But I've assembled far worse models...and for an experienced modeler...they are average difficulty at best. Overly tedious for no reason? Sure. But that doesn't mean the model is hard to assemble.

Actually these are the worse models I have assembled and I've even assembled some Sedition Wars models and I hate Restic

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

as to FW Titans, been there done that , I have built a few of those and such and they are much easier then some of these gak that is called RRT mainly the Guardian and Batteloid, as to simplicity of building?

I would say a titan is far more complex to assemble...lots of sanding, test fitting, gap filling, adding support anchors to the torsos, etc. Again, you aren't going to get any arguments on how many fiddly pieces there are to RTT models. But they aren't hard to assemble.

but as was said before the Titan is a much bigger and much more complex model then a veritech and much more satisfying building and when built.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I can knock out a 10-man Dark Angels Squad faster then I can knock out a couple of these Veritech units.

So can any 12 year old that's been playing 40k for any significant amount of time. Marines are stupid easy to assemble. Those kits are geared that way for novice builders. Again, RTT models may be a challenge to a 12 year old novice...and in fact, is one of my personal gripes about the accessibility of the game for younger players. There's nothing I can do about that though. However, any experienced modeler looking at them will have no issues...if they are interested in the game. It's not that hard. Time consuming, yes...but that does not equal difficult.

Man, I feel like a part-timer here, the postings have picked up again.

Rifts: Savage Worlds
Well, I put in my $1.
Somehow I think I turned into a troll there despite my good intentions.
Swiftly got some responses by the creator shortly after... I was unsure how to interpret that.
My concern is the extent of the "license" they have.
I could see papa Kevin pulling the plug if it appears too successful (easy to gauge for him as royalties come in and he wants to "cut the middle man").

Ease of Model Assembly
Been building since I was 10-12 yrs old... ummmm over 3 decades?
Forget it, establishing credibility or authority is not the intent.
The "problem" is only 2 poses in most cases so usually some of us who like variety hack-up the models to get more poses and that takes time.
The Veritechs take about a half hour each (with no alterations) for assembly with a fair bit of filing though the tiny missiles try my patience with no spots marked on the wings.
One squadron of those guys is 12 models so can be some 6 hours of full-on assembly.
We are not even talking basing or painting yet.
Do the math, it takes a bit to do these guys.
I LIKE assembly, I could imagine these little guys would be absolute torture for those who dislike assembly.
I agree that a space marine in comparison is no comparison.

100 Game Credibility
I think that IS awesome if true and I would rather not doubt and take at face value.
I would also value any viewpoints of strengths and weaknesses of the game and any house-rules you lean toward if at all.
I get a full-on 4 hours of gaming a week (one night during the week at the FLGS or at home with a friend) and then the occasional game on the weekend.
Some 50-odd games a year but that gets split-up with other games so I do not even come close.

 Forar wrote:
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 CaptKaruthors wrote:
[My point is that a robotech model to an experience modeler isn't that big of a deal...and isn't all that difficult to assemble.

Uh, we have some *very* experienced modelers in here who have complained about the assembly issue.

I built my share, and they basically went together fine, with just a little TLC and cleanup. Not the worst models I've built. Better than the BenDi not-Gundam kit I got a ways back. Clearly not as good as something WGF would produce for KDM / DFG / Wyrd.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Also:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
[My point is that a robotech model to an experience modeler isn't that big of a deal...and isn't all that difficult to assemble.

Uh, we have some *very* experienced modelers in here who have complained about the assembly issue.

I built my share, and they basically went together fine, with just a little TLC and cleanup. Not the worst models I've built. Better than the BenDi not-Gundam kit I got a ways back. Clearly not as good as something WGF would produce for KDM / DFG / Wyrd.

WGF does some great work for their price point.

 n815e wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:


Yes I have played the game. It's fun an all but I'm not going to put much more effort into RRT, not anymore. The whole battlepod conga line is silly. So yes I do know what I'm talking about. By the way stay classy guy. I'm sure calling people or their post dumb is why papa Kevin loves you. Please continue to defend PBs honor.

Gotta love gak like this.
You essentially called him a liar and a fan friend, but he's the one who is wrong for calling you on it.

But I never called his post dumb.

Yes I have played the game. It's fun an all but I'm not going to put much more effort into RRT, not anymore. The whole battlepod conga line is silly. So yes I do know what I'm talking about.

You do huh? And do you know how extremely rare it is and the likelihood of repeating it as a viable strategy is just as unlikely then? The battle pod conga line is silly because it's really a giant unicorn that people like to talk about and mock like it occurs all the time when in fact it doesn't. Anyone foolish enough to try it will have their pods disappear faster than a fart in the wind.

By the way stay classy guy. I'm sure calling people or their post dumb is why papa Kevin loves you. Please continue to defend PBs honor.

Yeah, the same way you label me as some sort of PB white knight...when if you actually look through most of my posts it's clear that I'm not. So yes, my point still stands. Your post is dumb.



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 Forar wrote:
I mean, all kvetching aside... why not post up some pics?

Hell, I posted shots of mine and none of them were particularly spectacular results.

Sure why not.










































Is that enough? LOL.

In this forum, irritation is better spent on Palladium.
I am suddenly sorry to have ever admitted to have "experienced" the pod conga line... it was my fault to make it happen in a game as UEDF.

 Talizvar wrote:
In this forum, irritation is better spent on Palladium.
I am suddenly sorry to have ever admitted to have "experienced" the pod conga line... it was my fault to make it happen in a game as UEDF.

Not a big deal. If you've experienced it once, consider yourself among the few...as it rarely, if ever, happens. Equate it to seeing a successful hail mary in football. Yes, it can happen...but the circumstances of everything has to line up perfectly. It's also something that you don't want to build your strategy around because it will fail pretty much all the time.

@CaptKaruthors: First off: great pictures or battles in general.
Seen these on the Robotech RPG Tactics Proboard if anyone wants to look there.
One day those Gnerls will be mine (not yours specifically...).
It is both fun and scary to see the Spartans in the thick of it.
How on earth did those buildings survive?
Any of my games my opponent starts popping them for instant out in the open victim.


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 CaptKaruthors wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
In this forum, irritation is better spent on Palladium.
I am suddenly sorry to have ever admitted to have "experienced" the pod conga line... it was my fault to make it happen in a game as UEDF.

Not a big deal. If you've experienced it once, consider yourself among the few...as it rarely, if ever, happens. Equate it to seeing a successful hail mary in football. Yes, it can happen...but the circumstances of everything has to line up perfectly. It's also something that you don't want to build your strategy around because it will fail pretty much all the time.

Agreed.
As I had stated before, I had some cover blown away earlier so I was flapping in the wind for a fair bit of shooting.
Saw a few pods in range for assault and thought "why not?" and figured I could get some "melee cover".
Took a beating and figured that was rather foolish but I learned.
As outlined, I pretty much figured that the awaited shooting would have been worse but the extra melee bonuses were an eyebrow raiser.

@CaptKaruthors: First off: great pictures or battles in general.
Seen these on the Robotech RPG Tactics Proboard if anyone wants to look there.
One day those Gnerls will be mine (not yours specifically...).
It is both fun and scary to see the Spartans in the thick of it.
How on earth did those buildings survive?
Any of my games my opponent starts popping them for instant out in the open victim.

Thanks. I hope to get in some more Robotech games this weekend. I haven't played in about 3 weeks....family/life getting in the way. This weekend I'll be free to play and will probably take more pictures from our ongoing campaign.

Spartans rock in HTH. Out of all the mecha...those are the ones that excel at it and are actually dangerous...especially if they have a club weapon. Don't be afraid to beat face with Spartans. A Spartan with a gun pod, point for point is the most versatile mecha in the game...and with boosting their speed...are deceptively fast.

The buildings survive because we house rule that they are not targetable/ are indestructable unless we are playing a mission that would require buildings to get destroyed. Otherwise the game degenerates into spending turns just blowing up all the cover and that makes for a pretty dull game.

Agreed.
As I had stated before, I had some cover blown away earlier so I was flapping in the wind for a fair bit of shooting.
Saw a few pods in range for assault and thought "why not?" and figured I could get some "melee cover".
Took a beating and figured that was rather foolish but I learned.
As outlined, I pretty much figured that the awaited shooting would have been worse but the extra melee bonuses were an eyebrow raiser.

The thing is...as long as you have command points to spend, if you get stuck in a melee it's easy to leave by spending a CP to walk away. Pods can't stop you as they don't have hands. Also, the kicks can be easily mitigated by sharing damage if you have mecha nearby in the thick of things as well. Or simply rolling with damage reduces a 3MD kick to 1MD. Now that you had experienced it once...my guess is that it won't happen to you again. It's so obvious of a play that you can usually see it coming. UEDF have a massive range advantage that can be used judiciously to pound Pods down. That's why I've moved away from an all pod army. Zentraedi need their other units to cover the advance of their pods...in most cases.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Is that enough? LOL.

No, want to see more, as to your pics on the other sites, some I've been banned from and the other I don't go to.

also wondering if those are the same Gnerls I saw ?

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Sure why not.

Is that enough? LOL.

Very nice. Do you have the ruins version of the (DZC?) tiles/buildings too?

Back when I still had enthusiasm for this project I'd planned to get at least one of each to start, and to round out my terrain with various odds and ends around the house. Used to use Terraclips and Dwarven Forge tiles along with random odds and ends to spruce up Malifaux tables for when my friends and I played (the move from 1.5E to 2E was... controversial), figured I'd follow a similar path until the collection built up enough to focus more on game specific terrain.

Nice job on the figures, especially Max. I like the blue you chose.

Hey Karuthers, I was actually trying to defend you, not nitpick, but thanks for tarring me in your spaz out. It's the last time it'll happen.

Those pics are more of what I wish we were seeing around here - signs of life for the game. And gnerls & lancers in gamer's hands .

I like the picture(s) with the battlepod in the alley - looks like he's waiting to mug someone - or trying to find a lampost to hide behind.

That guy who stuck his hand in the dumpster doesn't know what he's missing.

Where'd you get the cardboard terrain in the first few pictures? They look great for several post-apoc games!

ced1106 wrote:
That guy who stuck his hand in the dumpster doesn't know what he's missing.

Where'd you get the cardboard terrain in the first few pictures? They look great for several post-apoc games!

thats the Hawk Wargames Ruinscape terrain, they also have a cityscape terrain set too.

 Forar wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Also, that they've already run out of KS stretch goals and are scrambling to add more does not inspire confidence (**takes an over-the-shoulder look**). I hope they remember their mantra "we're a small group, working only part-time." and stick to it.

From the creator:

Creator Shane Hensley about 16 hours ago

Two more things that will bear repeating. This Kickstarter is obviously going well and we are super excited. We are *still* a tiny company, however, and everyone but me works part-time. That means it may occasionally take a while to answer questions and the like. But we will get to 'em. Thanks for understanding.
We have more Stretch Goals ready but given the response we have to adjust a bit and make sure we can finish everything we promise with the size of the team we have. Yes, you guys and gals have increased our budget, but that doesn't mean the core team can write / paint any faster. Delivering *great* stuff on time is important to us, and it *kills* us when we slip.

That said, we'll have an update tonight that will address at least the next couple.

Thanks!

Followed by this in the first update;

Stretch Goals

Now...you're really here for new Stretch Goals, aren't you?

We came up with the rest of the goals but not the amounts since we didn't know what kind of response we were going to get. We're also very conscious about only listing stuff we know we can handle and won't interfere with getting all the print books we're working on done in the time we said we would.

So please give us until early afternoon tomorrow and we'll show you what we've got coming. I will tell you this though...

Woof!

Roar!

Ka-THUNK! Ka-THUNK! Ka-THUNK!

So apparently they have more, they just need to price them out. Which is kind of a 'behind the scenes' thing that most campaigns don't admit out loud, but whatever, they're setting a record for their campaigns and it's only the start of the second day, so I'm guessing they usually have time to more fluidly/naturally roll these kinds of things out.

Well at least someone associated with Palladium learned how to communicate with their investors. Damn shame it's not someone actually working in the company.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Yes I have played the game. It's fun an all but I'm not going to put much more effort into RRT, not anymore. The whole battlepod conga line is silly. So yes I do know what I'm talking about.

You do huh? And do you know how extremely rare it is and the likelihood of repeating it as a viable strategy is just as unlikely then? The battle pod conga line is silly because it's really a giant unicorn that people like to talk about and mock like it occurs all the time when in fact it doesn't. Anyone foolish enough to try it will have their pods disappear faster than a fart in the wind.

By the way stay classy guy. I'm sure calling people or their post dumb is why papa Kevin loves you. Please continue to defend PBs honor.

Yeah, the same way you label me as some sort of PB white knight...when if you actually look through most of my posts it's clear that I'm not. So yes, my point still stands.

I never brought up that tactic. You and others did. If you go back and read my post I do agree that it's a once in a blue moon tactic. Even when it was first brought up it didn't bother me. Anyways stay classy bub.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Great photos, I love that blue Veritech, it looks fantastic! It's good to hear that the game is actually getting played and being enjoyed.

No, want to see more, as to your pics on the other sites, some I've been banned from and the other I don't go to.

also wondering if those are the same Gnerls I saw ?

I'll post more sometime today. I have to see what I have left on my phone. I had to dump a bunch of apps and photos recently as I reached my limit on my phone. I'll also be taking some more photos this weekend as I have some Robotech games lined up (probably 2 games maybe 3.)

The Gnerls are from a guy from a 3D printing place. The Lancers were scratch built by my friend with bass wood and plasticard.


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Great photos, I love that blue Veritech, it looks fantastic! It's good to hear that the game is actually getting played and being enjoyed.

I hope to have more as I finish my Brownies and Miriya.

Wow Gnerls and Lancers.

Where did those come from?

Edit: Nevermind!

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

No, want to see more, as to your pics on the other sites, some I've been banned from and the other I don't go to.

also wondering if those are the same Gnerls I saw ?

I'll post more sometime today. I have to see what I have left on my phone. I had to dump a bunch of apps and photos recently as I reached my limit on my phone. I'll also be taking some more photos this weekend as I have some Robotech games lined up (probably 2 games maybe 3.)

The Gnerls are from a guy from a 3D printing place. The Lancers were scratch built by my friend with bass wood and plasticard.


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Great photos, I love that blue Veritech, it looks fantastic! It's good to hear that the game is actually getting played and being enjoyed.

I hope to have more as I finish my Brownies and Miriya.

the Gnerls look like this guy Mike's work, he does some decent work too. nice work on the lancers.

I REALLY should have used clear peg bases rather than the official "swoosh" provided it looks so much better.
That is it, I need to have an RRT trophy piece: Skull one / Roy looks like he needs to be built "special wave 2" model or not.

^ agreed. The basic peg is awful, and seeing it in clear plastic looks so much better.

 Lynx7725 wrote:
In other news, the PB spam dropped early/ late.

As we said in the last update, we are gearing up for more Robotech® RPG Tactics™, starting with material that will be made available on DriveThruRPG.com. Meanwhile, we are supporting all kinds of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ events at StrategiCon. More on that in the next update.

Do we have a snooze emoji?

And 3 days later they dropped another update, changing the date on the newsletter from 26th to 29th,

The relevant line for RRT:

As we said in the last update, we are gearing up for more Robotech® RPG Tactics™, starting with material that will be made available on DriveThruRPG.com. Meanwhile, we are supporting all kinds of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ events at StrategiCon. More on that in the next update.

That wasn't a copy and paste from my older post. That was a copy and paste from the copy and paste that Palladium did.

Seriously, Palladium treats communications to stakeholders poorly. I meant, I would have used the older updates as a base to work from, sure, but directly copying and posting feels a tad off. Especially since the update was just 3 days ago, they could have just kept to what exactly needed to be said and skip the rest of the garbage. PB is just treating this as routine work and not using it to put out meaning comms.

And yeah,found the snooze emoji.

Well, they copy/paste their own material in the RPG books so they are at least consistent.

I feel like an idiot wondering if the Savage Worlds royalties may translate into RRT progress due to money availability.
... who am I kidding other than myself?

Holy picture spam Batman! Do you not know how to use a spoiler tag for a pic dump that big? It took my phone 2-3 minutes to load the page because of all the pics.

I'm no expert with this forum software, but with other forums I'm on, spoiler tags don't stop browsers from loading the images. They have to be linked to avoid that.

So... sorry, since I was one of those who asked for pics.

 Talizvar wrote:
Well, they copy/paste their own material in the RPG books so they are at least consistent.

I feel like an idiot wondering if the Savage Worlds royalties may translate into RRT progress due to money availability.
... who am I kidding other than myself?

umm savage world royalties (if any) translate into RRT wave 2? I'll say never, Kevin needs the money to keep the lights on and to put out more RPG books, Kevin may be stupid but he is not an idiot as too throw good money after bad, he makes wave 2 that is lost money he will never recover, which is why I can never understand why some people still think there will be a wave 2