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In regards to this Kickstarter, has there been any actual news about progress here?

That isn't just cut-n-paste variations of "we're thinking about it/working on it/thinking about working on it/talking to vendors" that they've been using for...years now?

 Alpharius wrote:
In regards to this Kickstarter, has there been any actual news about progress here?

That isn't just cut-n-paste variations of "we're thinking about it/working on it/thinking about working on it/talking to vendors" that they've been using for...years now?

A month or two back they had 3d printed prototypes shown for the first time for three models in wave 2 (Armored Veritech, SDF-1, and VF-4 iirc). To put that into a realistic perspective, they'll probably sit in the glass display case for an indeterminate number of years next to the 3d printed prototypes from 2013 like Miriya's FPA and the MAC II that they have yet produce.

To build on what Warboss said, here's the last update with something relevant to share, showcasing 3D printed prototypes of the Armored Battloid, YF-4 in all 3 modes, and the resin SDF-1.

They showed them off in late March at Adepticon, but didn't get around to sharing them with us until the April 14th update.

 Forar wrote:
To build on what Warboss said, here's the last update with something relevant to share, showcasing 3D printed prototypes of the Armored Battloid, YF-4 in all 3 modes, and the resin SDF-1.

They showed them off in late March at Adepticon, but didn't get around to sharing them with us until the April 14th update.

forgot to mention they were made with files they have had for a couple years now. and are not the multiple piece models we would have gotten if they ever did wave 2.

 Talizvar wrote:
@Nesbet: Welcome aboard! Especially to the "most negative forum in all of dakka!"
Looking at that sea of well organized paints (you re-potted those and labelled them... awesome), dynamically posed models (again with the very nice clear flying pegs which I should have done) and well laid out boards: I have a sudden need to go to Chile.
I mean this in the most manly of ways... I think I love you.
BTW why does your posting flag jump between USA and Chile?

I like those armored cars (APC?) on the table, I cannot place where they are from.
They would have huge utility since they could literally be anything.
That industrial building with all the ducts: where did you get that? That is the best pre-fab building I have seen.

I am happy to see some "new blood" here and some very good efforts in awesome looking games.

LOL, I thought it could be the most negative, but didn't think it was so clearly established xD
With Kevin promises it's difficult not to be so negative :(

Regarding the pots, I did repotted them
http://nesbetminiatures.blogspot.com/2011/01/wip-paint-racks-2-and-desktop.html
and
http://nesbetminiatures.blogspot.com/2011/02/showcase-desktop-and-paint-racks-with.html



Those acrylic rods are from Plastruct. I ordered mine via Amazon. There is a store in Santiago (Chile's capitol) but it does not bring those rodes so I ordered mine online
Then I convinced my friends that the regular flying stands sucks so evetybody ordered too LOL

My flag jumps from Chile to USA because of Browsec, a plugin that lets me browse the internet at work
No idea how to fix it and keep the chilean flag.

The APCs are from Hawk Wargames Dropzone Commander. Also, the scenery is from 4Ground Models. Those are such a blast. Seriously awesome product for the money.

Thanks for the welcome Forar and Talizvar!
I'll post an update on my blog regarding the poses. I have moar to show

Cheers!

@Nesbet: Checked out your blog.
I am not nearly as... organized as you but your investigations have gone down similar paths as mine.

I like your paint recovery write-up: I was using the Liquitex matt medium but a touch of distilled water and a tiny bit of flow aid.

I had bought droppers and got a bunch of stainless steel bearings for agitators... your glass marbles are the simpler choice. I had ordered before meeting you here...
I think I saw a good small spatula in the dollar store: you making your own custom tools is impressive (patience of a saint).

Anyway, your blog is now my favorite.
Plus quite nice for RRT which is the topic at hand.

Thanks!

 Forar wrote:
To build on what Warboss said, here's the last update with something relevant to share, showcasing 3D printed prototypes of the Armored Battloid, YF-4 in all 3 modes, and the resin SDF-1.

They showed them off in late March at Adepticon, but didn't get around to sharing them with us until the April 14th update.

Thanks for the clarification. From the 1998 flip phone camera 340x280 preview pics that constituted the ENTIRETY of a full years worth of public effort on Palladium's part, the SDF-1 was traditionally sculpted and not 3d printed as I mistakenly said.

edit: Dammit... I'm being negative again.

Yeah, it would've been a more poignant update if it'd been even 3D prints of the pieces and then assembled. What we have here doesn't reflect the surely 20+ pieces for most of those figures, nor the seams put right across detailed sections, canopies, etc.

You know, the only way it can be done. To show proper respect to the source material that they're such super duper fans of! Etc, etc.

Thanks for the kind words Talizvar! I did not use metal bearings because of the rust. Regarding of being stainless, metal can rust anyways. That's what I thought back in the day. A few weeks ago I saw a pic on facebook of a lot of mudy paints, all brown- redish in dropper bottles. So sad.

And... well. I would agree that I disagree with most of you. I don't care if the wave 2 minis are 20+parts each. I would love that. Seriously, the more pieces the more poses and configurations you can build! I had to cut, modify and glue enough Regults legs to know this xD
It sucks that Kevin uses parts count as another excuse for not giving us wave 2...

Well, here' the （heretic）paint scheme I will use for my Regults:



Cheers!

 Nesbet wrote:

And... well. I would agree that I disagree with most of you. I don't care if the wave 2 minis are 20+parts each. I would love that. Seriously, the more pieces the more poses and configurations you can build! I had to cut, modify and glue enough Regults legs to know this xD
It sucks that Kevin uses parts count as another excuse for not giving us wave 2...

Respectfully, parts count does NOT automatically equal more poses and configurations. Splitting each arm, leg, waist, and missile pod in half along with the quartering chests didn't lead to even a single additional pose. Extra arms, legs, etc would have as would the ability to use ball joints for limbs.

Out of curiosity, what made you and the others in your group pick robotech as the replacement minis game? I know it was popular in Spanish as well as English but I'm curious if nostalgia was the main driving focus towards the game or just a small part (the rest being the rules, minis, etc). Were you/Are you a kickstarter backer or did you get it at retail?

 Alpharius wrote:
In regards to this Kickstarter, has there been any actual news about progress here?

That isn't just cut-n-paste variations of "we're thinking about it/working on it/thinking about working on it/talking to vendors" that they've been using for...years now?

...not really, no. Nothing that would make us think they're nearer to production of anything.


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 Nesbet wrote:
I don't care if the wave 2 minis are 20+parts each. I would love that. Seriously, the more pieces the more poses and configurations you can build! I had to cut, modify and glue enough Regults legs to know this xD

Honestly, if the parts were well done, I wouldn't even mind all that much, either.

Problem is, of course, that current parts number doesn't reflect into greater poseability. Just into cheaper molding process. Right now, the insanely fiddly Spacy stuff is actually less poseable than the Regults. And for that? For that they can go feth themselves.

 warboss wrote:
Were you/Are you a kickstarter backer or did you get it at retail?

It should be easy and cheap to get KS stuff. And that would be part of the attraction. When it's cheap enough, many games are acceptable.

 Nesbet wrote:
Regarding of being stainless, metal can rust anyways. That's what I thought back in the day. A few weeks ago I saw a pic on facebook of a lot of mudy paints, all brown- redish in dropper bottles. So sad.

I had bought specifically "nail polish mixer stainless steel bearings" and from what I read it was high chromium so I expect them to be fine... BUT your marbles are still a cheaper and more elegant solution.

And... well. I would agree that I disagree with most of you. I don't care if the wave 2 minis are 20+parts each. I would love that. Seriously, the more pieces the more poses and configurations you can build! I had to cut, modify and glue enough Regults legs to know this xD

As pointed out, ball joints tend to lend more flexibility than more pieces.
The Veritech legs, fore-arms, heads and torso all have cuts that I fail to find areas I can use to my advantage for different poses.
I have a lot of respect for the work on the pods since they are a more organic rounded model so needs a fair bit of filing or filler to ensure a smooth transition.

It sucks that Kevin uses parts count as another excuse for not giving us wave 2...

I think "sun spots" would be as likely an excuse as any when we can be pretty sure that "piece count" is not the problem.

Well, here' the （heretic）paint scheme I will use for my Regults...

Looks nice, the red will contrast well with the other Zent. units if you plan to paint them green.

 Nesbet wrote:
Thanks for the kind words Talizvar! I did not use metal bearings because of the rust. Regarding of being stainless, metal can rust anyways. That's what I thought back in the day. A few weeks ago I saw a pic on facebook of a lot of mudy paints, all brown- redish in dropper bottles. So sad.

And... well. I would agree that I disagree with most of you. I don't care if the wave 2 minis are 20+parts each. I would love that. Seriously, the more pieces the more poses and configurations you can build! I had to cut, modify and glue enough Regults legs to know this xD
It sucks that Kevin uses parts count as another excuse for not giving us wave 2...

Cheers!

more parts can mean more poseability, but not the way PB does them, look at the Spartan they split the leg down the middle from top to bottom, they should have made the foot one part, the lower leg one part and the hip connector/upper leg another part, same number of parts yet the poseability flows with what i suggested as opposed to what we got.

yeah, that's right. Doesn't matter if they are a lot of pieces but not just cut in halves or quarters for cheaper moulding.

For two of my friends was 100% nostalgia. Would even buy core set alone if no one else would play. For me, it was the shock. WHFB is no more and it had been aleays my main and only sistem. I dislike warmachine/hordes so thats was.no option. 40K is made by the same fockers of GW. And for FoW, I know way too little about history. So I jumped in the wagon!

Nesbet, per our conversation here is the thread on Dakka on Nodal Wars
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/678612.page

I can't speak for anyone else, but this;

 Nesbet wrote:
It sucks that Kevin uses parts count as another excuse for not giving us wave 2...

Is more what I'm getting at.

I don't believe for a second that they've spent the ~1.5 years since wave one delivered 'trimming the parts count', as though someone at the factory shaves another 2 pieces off the Super VT's and then declare it not good enough, make another pass!.

It's just a convenient excuse, with the extra bonus of letting the more... ardent fans of theirs throw it in people's faces now and then. "Oh YOU PEOPLE complained about the parts, so they're working on it, there's just no pleasing you is there?"

Which, y'know, glosses over that it's possible to think the parts count (and again, not the exact count but the fact that single arms are like 4-5 pieces each) is obnoxious AND they're taking way too long to deliver on what they owe the backers.

Not that you've said as much here, just making sure we all understand one another. Realistically they could be single pieces and it wouldn't enhance my interest in playing at this point. If nothing else, the terrible way they've treated the backers and the awful stance they've taken on communicating with us means I won't give them the opportunity to disappoint me again (though they keep tripping over that lowered bar now and then anyway).

I'm sincerely glad someone is enjoying the game. It's got a lot of nostalgia appeal for me as well. I totally wanted it to be the next hot thing for my group, to the point that we got 8 Battle Cry tiers between us, and another $250 or so in add ons.

I just want my Monster.

Yeah, I feel that way too Forar :(
I really want to have the wave two minis. Specially since I play just with Zentraedi...

Thanks for the link Mike! I'll check it out!

Anyone read the current Palladium games update???...
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..
I am sure that means.. Wave 2 is now delayed indefinitely.

Oh gak, I hope it wasn't his sculpting arm!

 Genoside07 wrote:
Anyone read the current Palladium games update???...
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..
I am sure that means.. Wave 2 is now delayed indefinitely.

Ouch, he had to have surgery.

That's got to be paid somehow - looks like those royalties from the SW Rifts are about to be allocated where Kevin wasn't expecting.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Anyone read the current Palladium games update???...
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..

Wonder which backer was driving?

 Genoside07 wrote:
I am sure that means.. Wave 2 is now delayed indefinitely.

It's now delayed indefinitely? Yeah, probably. The fact that Kevin doesn't actually need his right arm for the work remaining (he's not a sculptor, and Wayne was already responsible for the remaining written stuff, stat cards and the like). So, other than the immediate hospital stay, it shouldn't have any impact. It will, but it shouldn't.

On other matters in this week's PBWU, there's this line, which I fething hate.
"As I write this, Pinnacle Entertainment Group’s Rifts® for Savage Worlds Kickstarter is almost 4000% funded"
Now, I'm glad the Kickstarter wasn't a flop. But can we be serious about the original goal? If they'd been at $8,040 with two hours to go, do you think they'd still be printing it? This whole "Set an unrealistic goal, so that we can talk about how exponentially we beat it", just reeks of pure grade bull excrement.

The RRT section is a cut and paste of last weeks, and while it seems a new one hour demo event has been added to Strategicon at 5pm Friday, that still makes the "demos all weekend" when they mean "demos all Friday" seem a look a little like the "76+ player tournament" thing. At best, they're trying to fold the RPG events on Saturday into it. And that's just as garbage a reasoning.

They're still pushing for May to be the release dates for their first two books of the year (no, I don't count Rifters). I fully expected at least one to be pushed because Palladium. Now with the accident, I'd be surprised if either got finished before July.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..

I have no problem wishing ill on him, given the misery that he's caused to all of us by stealing our money and lying to our faces about it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Genoside07 wrote:
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..

I have no problem wishing ill on him, given the misery that he's caused to all of us by stealing our money and lying to our faces about it.

While I agree that it's karma coming round to kick him in his ass, I don't wish that an old man (or middle aged man like Wayne) be run over by a car. The misery he caused us wasn't physical pain nor bodily harm. If Palladium somehow had to be sold of in pieces to pay back the money from the kickstarter, I'd be fine with that justice though. Crush his dreams and his finances, not his body. Let's keep some perspective on this whole gakky situation, John.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Genoside07 wrote:
Kevin Siembieda was hit by a car and broke his arm ..
Not wishing ill on anyone... but do feel it is karma..

I have no problem wishing ill on him, given the misery that he's caused to all of us by stealing our money and lying to our faces about it.

That's pretty harsh man, you're entitled to your opinion, but when you get down to it, a sad pathetic old man got hit by a car.

the one time my arm got broken it was set, didn't need surgery for it though, so either a drama queen or ?

also wonder if its his cut and paste arm which is why he can't do the PBWU ?

Asterios wrote:
the one time my arm got broken it was set, didn't need surgery for it though, so either a drama queen or ?

also wonder if its his cut and paste arm which is why he can't do the PBWU ?

Rick, your knowledge of orthopedics is as deep as your knowledge of... well... everything. Do you know which bone or bones he broke? Where exactly were the bone(s) broken? Was it a compound or simple fracture? Hairline or comminuted? Was there nerve, vessel, or muscle/tendon damage? Was it "just" a fracture or also a crush injury? Also, I suspect that your "one time my arm got broken" wasn't when you were a diabetic senior which affects the prognosis as well as the healing. Until you know all of the above for both your case as well as his and then go get the minimum 11 years worth of training in order to properly evaluate the injury, well... you're just sniffing plastic glue and mumbling.

 warboss wrote:

Asterios wrote:
the one time my arm got broken it was set, didn't need surgery for it though, so either a drama queen or ?

also wonder if its his cut and paste arm which is why he can't do the PBWU ?

Rick, your knowledge of orthopedics is as deep as your knowledge of... well... everything. Do you know which bone or bones he broke? Where exactly were the bone(s) broken? Was it a compound or simple fracture? Hairline or comminuted? Was there nerve, vessel, or muscle/tendon damage? Was it "just" a fracture or also a crush injury? Also, I suspect that your "one time my arm got broken" wasn't when you were a diabetic senior which affects the prognosis as well as the healing. Until you know all of the above for both your case as well as his and then go get the minimum 11 years worth of training in order to properly evaluate the injury, well... you're just sniffing plastic glue and mumbling.

was any of that said? no, i'm Just going by the statement, which said he broke his arm, so i'm taking it at face value as a simple broken arm, with me my wrist got messed up, which I would think is more problematic then a "simple" broken arm. also you will notice I had the "or? after my statement as in wondering if something we were not informed of. so shove your comment where the sun don't shine.

also they abound in car accidents around there: from a year and a half ago (Oct.. of 2014?):

Wayne Smith was involved in a car accident on Wednesday when another driver ran a red light. Thankfully, other than a few bruises, he is fine. The same cannot be said for his car. It has plenty of front-end body damage, cracked windshield and deployed air bag. Wayne missed a full day of work and was a bit distracted on Thursday, but he’s doing fine

Also curious what state he was in when the accident happened and if it was reported, since injury, as it goes for reported accidents in the state of Michigan on the day in question (too which there are very few) none sound like Kevin and the unknowns you don't want to be Kevin since they are in some serious trouble.

I'm not wishing him dead. I'm simply wishing him to suffer an amount of misery equal to what he's caused. Which, multiplied by the number of backers ought to be quite a lot.