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2016/07/25 22:58:18
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
SDCC Robotech panel videos are up thanks to RobotechX.
I mainly fast forwarded through it (lots of plushies, super deformed toys, 5 ft tall veritechs "toys", etc) as it was devoid of Tactics info. Some interesting news for me was a 1/55 scale MAC II. One guy asked about tactics at the very end of the first video near the start of the Q&A (mainly in relation to Invid) and was largely hand waved off with a response of Kevin Siembieda having plans for stuff. I might have missed it due to fast forwarding but I didn't see a mention at all of Palladium. Usually they've been recycling the same spiel about Palladium as the longest licensee with such a successful kickstarter (preceded by how expensive and sought after the old Dark Horse minis were) for years but they seem to have trimmed that out after 3 years as not worthy of bragging rights anymore.
2016/07/26 05:19:39
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
@warboss: I sat through those panel videos.
Those guys are cut from the same cloth as Kevin.
Lots of excitement and hints but much what they "cant" tell us.
Never seen so much hype for plushies and super deformed metal toys.
Love the question posed of "what was your favorite episode", I honestly think many of them had no idea.
What a farce that was.
Did not even have the decency to research the IP fluff.
I am shocked by their lack of intelligence and professionalism.
But hey, everyone wants a plushie!!
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: One fifty fifth scale monster?
Repeat that part please?
I heard it, saw it and thought: that will be stupid.
There was a similar sized metal VT which they would not comment if it transformed.
"go big or go home" indeed.
I think the boys felt they dodged a bullet on the RRT question about Invid... "first the initial kickstarter needs to be done"... let us not let that train of thought continue "oh look: a plushie for you!!".
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/07/26 11:51:35
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Talizvar wrote: @warboss: I sat through those panel videos.
Those guys are cut from the same cloth as Kevin.
Lots of excitement and hints but much what they "cant" tell us.
Never seen so much hype for plushies and super deformed metal toys.
Love the question posed of "what was your favorite episode", I honestly think many of them had no idea.
What a farce that was.
Did not even have the decency to research the IP fluff.
I am shocked by their lack of intelligence and professionalism.
But hey, everyone wants a plushie!!
Eh, you plug what you've got. And, admittedly, they've got alot more this year than in previous ones since they previously highlighted Palladium so much. Don't get me wrong... I've got no interest in plushies, superdeformed stuff, or T-shirts but at least that info was new and in addition to the other toys. And, yeah, that was a bad bit there. I fast forwarded usually 45 sec to a minute after watching for 10 seconds or so (rinse, lather, repeat) and happened across the comic book guy getting ambushed by the presenter when he suddenly turned the answer to the favorite episode question over to the panel. Watching him struggle on the spot and come up with "gosh... so many... one of the early ones... yeah, one of the first three." because he couldn't remember any episode name or even a single discrete episode plot was awkwardly painful. So no mention of Palladium other than the one Q&A guy?
Yup. That's a pretty big "toy". They had a grainy pic of the prototype fig next to some 1/55 or 1/60 veritechs. They also had a 1/9 scale (yes that number is correct... it'll be as tall as a teenager) veritech that they were hinting was transformable and they had a pic of it from a Chinese con in jet mode.
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2016/07/26 12:33:00
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I remember when these plushies first came out (before the kickstarter) and on the old Robotech site (before they decided that dealing with fans on their forun was too much work) people questioned why McKeever was hailing these things as a major product release instead of focusing on stuff like, oh, let's say, a continuation of Shadow. He got really offended that people didn't like the plushies and how others told him they were great and how they are going to sell really well.
I guess they never took off.
HG and PB are such perfect partners, neither one is competent.
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2016/07/26 12:54:05
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I thought I should copypaste this, that recently popped up in the RTU group:
GREETINGS FELLOW PROTOCULTURE ADDICTS!
I bring tidings of great joy, and with luck, maybe some answers!
Matthew Lemke of Through Gamer Goggles is going to be interviewing Palladium, and potentially Kevin Sembieda at Gencon. I'm going to be giving him questions to ask them about the status of ROBOTECH RPG TACTICS and the impact he's had on the community and backers, especially considering there's been no update since April.
However, I may miss some critical questions that really need to be asked, this is where I need your help. Please, in the comments below, Submit questions you'd like Matthew to ask during the interview. So that I can pick out the questions easier (because I know what's going to happen to this post), please start your questions with ' ** ' so that I can find it easier. If you guys double up on a question, it's not a problem, I'm going to see what I can do about weighting the questions' urgencies to make sure that Matthew makes them as pressing as possible, and doesn't let them wriggle out so easily.
Please, for the sake of ease, keep this professional, keep this clean. I know tempers are still running hot (I'm no exclusion) but this could be a chance to get some answers that've been severely lacking for the last 3 months of no updates (keep in mind, they never even did their "We're going to GenCon" post)
Thanks in advance guys.
Hurry up and reply in RTU or here and I copypaste your suggestions there!
2016/07/26 13:47:52
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: So no mention of Palladium other than the one Q&A guy?
Yeah, he was the only one.
They mentioned "Kevin has many plans" which boiled down to "he is handling that, and this is us" which seemed to discourage further questions in that direction.
It is funny how the new HG executive was there "to thank the fans personally"... seemed more to humor them.
Must be a strange position to be in to feel important but realize you are the purveyor of "man dollies" to that crowd and many others like them.
I must admit I was surprised at the turnout, it was a sizable crowd.
I keep feeling like I am the strange one in my area, these events and forums like these make it not so bad.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/07/26 13:50:53
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I wish you guys luck, but my inner cynic can't help that at best they'll get ignored or fed the usual pablum, and at worst will simply end the interview outright.
Their love of self aggrandizement is matched only by their loathing of anything less than gushing adoration. The moment an interview turns remotely 'negative' (not even actually negative, but merely perceived as not being 100% on their side) I can't imagine it'll be continued/productive.
Maybe I'm wrong, but 'the community' has tried sending pertinent questions out before. They usually just get ignored, and sometimes asking too loudly/too often gets you banned from the forums/their Facebook page.
Not saying people shouldn't put forth some hard hitting questions, I just don't think they'll get answered with anything but cliches and vague assurances.
2016/07/26 14:08:04
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
@Nesbet: I think the #1 question burning in my mind is this:
**"What is the reasoning for keeping details for wave 2 efforts secret since it is being worked on?
Saying nothing is far worse than admitting having tried something and did not work out: these things happen.
The long duration of time exceeding the wave1 shipment is pointing to serious problems."
It is wordy but the added points are to discourage the vague garbage I got at Anime North. I would love to phrase it differently but I know Kevin will not even try to answer if it was more forceful than that.
So try not to laugh too hard at the question.
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
2016/07/26 14:24:05
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Not to pour some cold hard facts on this but Matt Lemke/Gamer Googles has interviewed Palladium multiple times at Gencon AND the Open House since the kickstarter funded and started screwing up. His interviews are fluff pieces are usually ill prepared soft ball questions followed by uncomfortable silences inbetween monologues by Kevin or his employees with no followup questions about the spin or lies response he gets. He's the guy who brought us the BEST EVAR! Demo game on youtube with chief demo volunteer guy NMi in which he literally made a mistake in every step of the game during the first 5 minutes I watched. In previous interviews, he'd ask about the delays politely and then just nod and mumble "mmmm hmmm" as Kevin basically recited a half dozen murmurs worth of platitudes and vague assurances. He simply accepts whatever Kevin offers no questions asked.
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2016/07/26 14:52:20
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
And warboss... It's kinda dissapointing that Matt Lemke could be so soft, but it's better than nothing. Maybe it's worth the shot, maybe it isn't but I think we must try. Again. And again.
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2016/07/26 16:58:45
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
n815e wrote: No, that was the Gamers on Games guy.
Yeah, that was Dave "Knighthwawk" Simpson who, before his rage fueled convienently timed fugue state caused him to spam post hundreds of times on one Robotech update, pretty much did the same thing at Gencon with softball interviews for two years. Let's face it.. if you want to interview anyone at palladium more than once in your life for more than 30 seconds, you hand them softball questions and don't ever point out the flaws in their response.
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2016/07/26 18:38:50
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Stormonu wrote: @Nesbit - it's the question that keeps getting asked:
** "Will Wayne ever get us the Wave 2 breakdown were promised in Feb 2016?"
And others....
** "Will the Rick and Roy models be custom in some way or just generic VT models with special decals and cards?"
** "What's the state of the other resin items - objectives, Max in Zent disguise, etc."
** "Will we ever see Wave 2 standees and cards posted on Drive-thru RPG?"
As Warboss points out, the first question relates to something literally over a year ago (July 10th).
And as others have mentioned, I don't expect any hard hitting questions to get a response beyond pablum or "This interview is over". It's clear Kevin has a king sized ego, and a sensitivity to match.
But if I had to ask one question (that hasn't been asked yet) and get an answer, mine would be something like
**"You've missed several speculative dates, and there is no current estimate, as you're obviously tired of the backlash when you miss them. But now that you know all the work required to get this project complete, what is your worst case estimate? When is it guaranteed to be finished by?"
Because the problem at the moment is this long stretching into oblivion kicking of the can down the road. And as long as they keep getting to do that, I doubt there'll ever be a resolution. I'd have added "before refunds get issued" to the end, but there's no way he'd answer that, even though the timetable would be up to him. Just the date would be interesting. If it's less than 18 months, it locks him in. If it's more than 3, backers will know where they stand.
2016/07/26 20:31:27
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: Didn't wayne promise that in mid 2015? I don't think he repeated that this year.
Late Feb 2015 was the 5 sprue breakdowns.
Late Feb/Early March 2016 was the reveal of the Armored/YF-4/SDF-1 prototypes.
As Morgan notes, Wayne promised us the details on where everything stood in July 2015. It's been over a year, but not by a lot.
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
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2016/07/26 20:58:18
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
It's understandable though when the production of half the sculpts is several THOUSAND percent overdue compared with the date we were given when paying.
2016/07/26 23:15:00
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
It remains amusing to me how many *years* have gone by where things kind of fade/blur together. "When was it that ND said they were done? Early 2014? No, that's when wave one went out... oh right, early 2015, but they said they'd handed them over months ago, so presumably late (or earlier) 2014..."
It's understandable though when the production of half the sculpts is several THOUSAND percent overdue compared with the date we were given when paying.
Not sure if hyperbole for humourous effect, but the original target was 7 months, it has been 38, or about 5.5 times the original target.
550%'ish (give or take an acceptable level of perfect accuracy) of target, so 450% overdue; not quite "a thousand percent", let alone "several thousand".
Apologies if you were just making a joke that blew over my head.
And obviously that's still massively unacceptable. As per my usual reference, if I tell my boss that I'll have a report done in a month, and approaching half a year later I've only shared the first 1/3, he'd be understandably angry.
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2016/07/26 23:23:42
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Forar wrote: Not sure if hyperbole for humourous effect, but the original target was 7 months, it has been 38, or about 5.5 times the original target.
550%'ish (give or take an acceptable level of perfect accuracy) of target, so 450% overdue; not quite "a thousand percent", let alone "several thousand".
Apologies if you were just making a joke that blew over my head.
And obviously that's still massively unacceptable. As per my usual reference, if I tell my boss that I'll have a report done in a month, and approaching half a year later I've only shared the first 1/3, he'd be understandably angry.
No hyperbole but rather I just chose my words carefully and the significance of the wording may not be readily apparent. I referred specifically to the start of production of the rewards, a statement that even with all the added stretch goals was kept at the original "estimate" of 40 days post kickstarter without change despite the added scope. You're instead referring to end fulfillment of those rewards. Since we are now 38 months post funding according to your count with no indication that wave 2 has begun said production, that means we're now 1,140 days (30 days per month on average) post funding when the full production run was supposed to start at 40 days post funding. 1,140-40 = 1,100. 1,100/40 =27.5 x 100% = 2,750% late on the start of production.
edit: corrected minor math cut/paste leftover error
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2016/07/27 01:38:52
Subject: Re:Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
warboss wrote: SDCC Robotech panel videos are up thanks to RobotechX.
I mainly fast forwarded through it (lots of plushies, super deformed toys, 5 ft tall veritechs "toys", etc) as it was devoid of Tactics info. Some interesting news for me was a 1/55 scale MAC II. One guy asked about tactics at the very end of the first video near the start of the Q&A (mainly in relation to Invid) and was largely hand waved off with a response of Kevin Siembieda having plans for stuff. I might have missed it due to fast forwarding but I didn't see a mention at all of Palladium. Usually they've been recycling the same spiel about Palladium as the longest licensee with such a successful kickstarter (preceded by how expensive and sought after the old Dark Horse minis were) for years but they seem to have trimmed that out after 3 years as not worthy of bragging rights anymore.
I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
question starts here: around 34 minutes, 46 seconds for some reason the start point is not working.
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Nesbet wrote: I thought I should copypaste this, that recently popped up in the RTU group:
Hurry up and reply in RTU or here and I copypaste your suggestions there!
I dropped out of the RTU group because got tired of people posting anything that caught their fancy even though it was not even Robotech related by a long shot or at all.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/07/27 02:13:52
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
n815e wrote: No, that was the Gamers on Games guy.
Yeah, that was Dave "Knighthwawk" Simpson who, before his rage fueled convienently timed fugue state caused him to spam post hundreds of times on one Robotech update, pretty much did the same thing at Gencon with softball interviews for two years. Let's face it.. if you want to interview anyone at palladium more than once in your life for more than 30 seconds, you hand them softball questions and don't ever point out the flaws in their response.
It is funny, then, that Dave is the one pushing Matt to ask the hardball questions.
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I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
More likely they are still under the impression from PB that GHQ is going to make metal Invid.
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2016/07/27 03:34:31
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
Forar wrote: Pretty sure the original premise was that they were going to start production in that time period, not finish it.
The math works out from that angle, sure.
Yup. I was referring to the start of production as was palladium with their 40 day estimate. To our knowledge, wave 2 hasn't started production 1,100+ days after their 40 day 98% done claim has past.
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2016/07/27 03:59:42
Subject: Robotech RPG Tactics - "Restarting" the Kickstarter Discussion
I watched the whole video and other then that one part with that guy asking about the invid that was it, but a major explosive announcement was also made, when they asked the guy and audience if they would like to see more invid miniatures from other companies which makes one wonder if HG might be cutting off PB soon and opening up the market to other companies that can and will produce said product?
More likely they are still under the impression from PB that GHQ is going to make metal Invid.
that will never happen since it would cost PB money to make the mold its why we never got the comanchero or Cats Eye.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
which makes one wonder if 