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 Forar wrote:

 warboss wrote:
While I agree that it is an odd inclusion, trying to exclude him would be relatively pointless. He could just sign up using a fake name like Donald R. Obama and whoever is in charge has no way of verifying that person is a backer.

Right, but the whole conceit about it being a closed group was to keep things private.

Letting a PB forum mod into said group, and without even making them jump through the hoops to create or borrow a believable alt account, is just silly.

Sure, group owners can let whomever they want in, but if the goal was to keep their objectives and efforts on the downlow, specifically from Palladium Books, this seems like failing at the first hurdle of "not let a friend of the company we're trying to sue into the group".

Or do we now need a second PB Lawsuit group to keep things out of the first group's line of sight?

Groupception!

guess you missed my earlier post, he was allowed in because he is a backer, plain and simple, all backers, regardless of who they are are allowed to join, if he is there to spy on us, he is sorely disappointed me thinks.

A WASTE....heh

Honestly, it's not like you were going to keep him out in any way, so I agree there was no point even if you weren't trying to make it...egalitarian.

However, making it a closed group still seems kind of silly to me.


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How about:

Simbieda Our Own Nincompoop(tm)?

Merijeek wrote:
Honestly, it's not like you were going to keep him out in any way, so I agree there was no point even if you weren't trying to make it...egalitarian.

However, making it a closed group still seems kind of silly to me.


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How about:

Simbieda Our Own Nincompoop(tm)?

well made the group open to the public but not sure how that makes a difference.

the reason it was closed is it would have those serious about the lawsuit join now there is no impetus to join and we are unable to make an accurate guess of how many are serious about joining.

Edit: due to requests have decided to make it a poll in the group since many want it closed.

Merijeek wrote:
Forar -

I'm having an interesting talk with Kickstarter right now. Can you repost your running count please?

RRT: By The Numbers

Funded: May 20th, 2013: 1,171 days ago (3y, 2m, 14d)
Allegedly supposed to start manufacturing: early July 2013: 1,156 days ago (~3y, 0m, 30d)
Pledge manager begins: July 18th, 2013: 1,112 days ago (3y, 0m, 16d)
Pledge manager ends: September 9th, 2013: 1,059 days ago (2y, 10m, 25d). Note: as per this comment on Sept 6th, their target for FULL delivery (no waves) was still December. Again: made while still taking PM money.
Target Delivery Date: December 2013: 946 days ago (2y, 7m, 3d from the 31st, which feels awfully generous/understanding)

2 Waves announced: January 30th, 2014: 916 days ago (2y, 6m, 4d)
Wave 1 begins Manufacturing: June 12th, 2014: 783 days ago (2y, 1m, 22d), missed their original target by nearly a full year.
*Shipping allegedly begins (core boxes only, no Battle Cry tiers): August 28th, 2014: 706 days ago (1y, 11m, 6d)
*Substantial shipping actually begins (North America): October 3rd, 2014: 670 days ago (1y, 10m, 0d)

*European/Australian shipping begins: Mid January, 2015: 560 days ago (1y, 6m, 13d)
Last Wave 2 sprue breakdown renders: February 28th, 2015: 522 days ago (1y, 5m, 6d)
*ROW Shipping allegedly complete (wth?): May 13th, 2015: 448 days ago (1y, 2m, 21d). Note; a few days later was the Palladium Books Open House, during which Kevin stated that they were aiming to deliver wave two by the end of the year.

Shoddy pic of partial SDF prototype: March 3rd, 2016: 153 days ago (5m). Better pics provided 22 days later.
YF-4, Armored Battloid 3D Prints shown off: April 14th, 2016: 111 days ago (3m, 20d)

This obviously scratches the surface. I skipped the bullgak polls (Gencon sales, Scale misdirection), but noted with asterisks the shenanigans that were them taking from late August 2014 to mid May 2015 to deliver wave one. Also worth pointing out is how they took 3-4 months to go from Production of wave 1 to Substantial Delivery beginning, and yet have barely anything else to show for the nearly 26 months since said wave went into production (yes, there may have been other things to work on and sort out, but once 1 was at least done enough for factories to begin making it, surely some efforts might start going towards wave 2).

Further time could have been lost in having Kevin/Wayne/others working on packaging and shipping, but that argument loses some power when considering that according to Ninja Division, the 3D models were done and handed over in late 2014. PB continues to claim that work is vaguely being done with almost every weekly news letter, but has had a noted reduction in updates over the years, and word from Chuck Walton (whom I have spoken to by calling the PB offices directly, so even if he's not on the official payroll, clearly he's not just some dude hanging around) has allegedly been that delivery will not happen in 2016, meaning we can pretty safely add 5 months to those values above and still not have delivery.

I'm sure there's more to add, but this was built off looking over the updates and applying my usual date calculator to the differences. Give or take a few hours (perhaps a day) they should be generally accurate up to today, August 3rd, 2016.

And obviously, unless they begin production by early 2017, they risk running afoul of Chinese New Year, pushing a potential delivery back to mid 2017 or later (or never, but that's a reality of production/delivery that is well known and lamented).

Giving us a rough guideline of 4 years possibly not being enough to deliver on a project that allegedly was going to take 7 months (and they were confident enough to state might deliver in 6 or even 5).

And as we know, they've been refusing refunds since the beginning, giving backers no manner of getting out of this mess short of selling their pledge to someone else (and I think it's a safe bet that'd be a tough sell at best, given wave 2's status as vapourware).

 warboss wrote:
How about Association of Wargamers Against Siembieda's Treacherous Evil?

I see what you did there

 warboss wrote:
How about Association of Wargamers Against Siembieda's Treacherous Evil?

Totally agreed. Unless someone wants to take lead it is a total waste.

Well, Jorel is probably available.

I thought he was busy backing more PB stuff like Savage Rifts

"The lawsuit was dropped because the lead complainant just loves Kevin too much to hurt him and just wants to be loved in return."

 n815e wrote:
"The lawsuit was dropped because the lead complainant just loves Kevin too much to hurt him and just wants to be loved in return."

what lawsuit was that ? or is that if Jorel ran a lawsuit against PB ?

Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?

Maybe it was that one?

 Alpharius wrote:
Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?

Maybe it was that one?

well right now a bunch of backers are organizing against PB, question is, is it too late? will PB be brought to task or ?

Don't forget to cross post any pics from gencon that all you facebookers get here on dakka for the luddites!

Asterios wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?

Maybe it was that one?

well right now a bunch of backers are organizing against PB, question is, is it too late? will PB be brought to task or ?

Still waiting on the organizing part. If that was the case there would be someone or a few someones taking charge. Nobody seems to want that role. It's more like another place to voice discontent right now. Until someone takes a definitive stand......

 Alpharius wrote:
Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?

Maybe it was that one?

I do recall someone was doing something back in January, after a protracted online campaign of threats, which was slated to destroy Palladium Books as a company.
I wonder what happened to that guy and his tidal wave of destruction.

 n815e wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?

Maybe it was that one?

I do recall someone was doing something back in January, after a protracted online campaign of threats, which was slated to destroy Palladium Books as a company.
I wonder what happened to that guy and his tidal wave of destruction.

Yeah, my lawyer for that case said he was more likely he could get more money out of the lemonaide stand down the road than from Kevin & Co., so I decided to drop it until I had a stronger case - or fresher lemons.

 n815e wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wasn't there a lawsuit out there that was going to be a slam dunk but then suddenly disappeared/got settled/faded away?
Maybe it was that one?

I do recall someone was doing something back in January, after a protracted online campaign of threats, which was slated to destroy Palladium Books as a company.
I wonder what happened to that guy and his tidal wave of destruction.

N815e: Edward!!!!
Love the avatar.
On the matter at hand, I think that was why I was not really bothering with the Facebook page.
I should go look and see what the "plan" is.
Usually what a lawyer would look for as being "sufficient" before they decide to have a go.

Radical Ed drew me into Bebop!

I am not opposed to exploring legal options, any longer.
It is difficult to believe this effort will lead to anything, though, considering it is being led by the very same guy who tried and failed at it.

 n815e wrote:

Radical Ed drew me into Bebop!

I am not opposed to exploring legal options, any longer.
It is difficult to believe this effort will lead to anything, though, considering it is being led by the very same guy who tried and failed at it.

if you are referring to me then you have evidence to back up your claim? either way? if not then maybe you should shut it up then.

also I set the group up for the backers to organize, after group was set up I stepped down and no longer leading the charge, nor was I.

Yes, yes. The Legal Tsunami was the greatest victory since Alexander. Just with less evidence.

Merijeek wrote:
Yes, yes. The Legal Tsunami was the greatest victory since Alexander. Just with less evidence.

nope more like cut off before the wave got too high, only so much one can do, it takes many to take down the evil one.

you guys made it bigger then it ever was going to be.

I never declared it would be the end of Palladium Books.

Only one person did that.

Merijeek wrote:
I never declared it would be the end of Palladium Books.

Only one person did that.

yeah if the FTC or AG got involved but my voice got cut before that could happen from my end, it is now up to you guys.

I've got a date set to go after PB now unless PB issues a full refund or delivers product or gives us information that gives me faith in the company once again, I will go after them with everything I can from a lawsuit to the FTC and the AG, and something tells me I will not be the only one or even the first one.

I was told at 2 years and my entire product has not been delivered it will show negligence on PB's part and allow a case to be opened.

I'm just waiting on a couple of factors to fall into place before I go the legal route, since i'm going to have to waste time with lawyers and courts, i'm going to make sure PB will never be able to do it again and they will no longer be able to resurrect themselves from the muck.

If PB tried this stunt on me I was ready to take them to court and even had a lawyer who would have taken the case for me and got paid on the back end after the case was resolved from the Defendants (PB).

Nuff said, since they break their word to us, and you may allow it, but not me, as to thousands, that will about cover what I spent on this game and my lawyer intends to collect his fees from them. so i'm standing my ground, you, your being used as a floor mat. If they do sell any of the robotech game at GenCon before I get my stuff, they better get a damn good lawyer cause I will do anything in my legal power to destroy an honorless cur of a company that would do such a thing. Furthermore any lawsuit I bring will only involve me and the others ready to go in, it will not involve any others. I will win, no guarantee PB will pay up, but they will have a court appointed lien against their company, which will not help them.

2 months, i'll give Palladium 2 months to put up or shut up, if they fail to provide adequate information and proof they are actually doing something, other then this nic picking they are doing, and stop with the lies, 2 months if they fail, then I will be forced to redress my problems thru the courts furthermore I'll be contacting the AG to have them look into the matter too.

In other news...



And moar 3D prints...

Thanks, Nesbet. A campaign book is an interesting take on an expansion and maybe a good idea AFTER they come out with wave 2. Mike, did you contribute to that (whether willingly or unwittingly)? I wonder if the conventional vehicle rules will be shoehorned into that.

Wow is that actually for sale or just something they whipped up at kinkos to display at the con?

Autarch wrote:
Wow is that actually for sale or just something they whipped up at kinkos to display at the con?

The fact that it's not traditional "Palladium Perfect Bound" or whatever the hell they call it, leads me to think it's a preview copy, not the final result.

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:

Radical Ed drew me into Bebop!

I am not opposed to exploring legal options, any longer.
It is difficult to believe this effort will lead to anything, though, considering it is being led by the very same guy who tried and failed at it.

if you are referring to me then you have evidence to back up your claim? either way? if not then maybe you should shut it up then.

also I set the group up for the backers to organize, after group was set up I stepped down and no longer leading the charge, nor was I.

Proof? You repeatedly told us that if you got your refund then you'd keep quiet and never complain again.
We got a couple of months respite, then you started in with griping and complaining again.
You are either not keeping your word or you failed. Considering the amount of complaining, we can all guess which it is.

You set up the FB group, you determined the scope and parameters, you encouraged people to join it, but you aren't leading it?

Good for you that you tried, but after all your bluster it amounted to nothing. Your threats, your years of bombarding us with hourly posts about how you were going to destroy Palladium. Palladium is still here, you are still here trying to get people to do what you couldn't.