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DEZOAT wrote:
Hey any information from GenCon of what going on at PB. Someone should take pics of PB booth to see how bad it is.

As good/bad as any other year, I would assume. RRT still a no show with no effort from PB, and the rest of the company limping forward as always.

And everywhere else excited players and company reps from other companies actually doing stuff.

Palladium: Hey fan friends, get ready for our big Gen Con reveal!

Are you ready???!!!

According to Morgan (who was at Gencon), their booth was smaller than last year's, and whenever he swung by, Kevin seemed more inclined to talk to other PB staff/booth volunteers than potential customers.

Obviously he can speak for himself when he finds an opportunity to log in and share.

I stopped by the booth and was not impressed. The models were not well painted and I did not see any new models. Granted I saw the SDF1 but at that size its not really for gaming as it is for show. Just paste a stupid jolly roger on a ship and give me some cardboard already.

I thought someone was running multiple rtt events.....i guess not?

There were some listed, but presumably those happened in the gaming areas, not necessarily at their booth itself.

I remember seeing at least 2 names for multiple events. They seemed to generally be '4 players, no experience or models necessary' introductory things, which is reasonable for a small/niche game with presumably few dedicated players. No tournament that I'm aware of. No idea if the smaller booth had the demo section set up like last year.

Not sure how many people attend, but I'm hoping to wrangle my crew into going next year.

 stanman wrote:
Palladium: Hey fan friends, get ready for our big Gen Con reveal!

Are you ready???!!!

Spoiler:

Was it behind a tumbleweed? I didn't see it. Maybe it was under the fan made scenario book in the only other Gen Con pic I've seen. Lol

I too would appreciate any word on what was happening with the PB booth.
At Anime North it really was a ghost town.
If not for the idle curious drawn-in by the fan held RRT table (3 people I saw over about an hour), the only other customers were the 8 odd RPG gamers with Kevin.
I saw a turn-out of some 30 people just for Beyblade where it's cartoon ended around 2005.
Actually by proportion of decades past... that may be about right.

 Talizvar wrote:
I too would appreciate any word on what was happening with the PB booth.
At Anime North it really was a ghost town.
If not for the idle curious drawn-in by the fan held RRT table (3 people I saw over about an hour), the only other customers were the 8 odd RPG gamers with Kevin.
I saw a turn-out of some 30 people just for Beyblade where it's cartoon ended around 2005.
Actually by proportion of decades past... that may be about right.

I expect that the forecast for the weekend called for sunshine and rainbows blown directly on Kevin's face with a 98% chance of ignoring the little criticism given during dealer's hall hours. In the next murmur, it'll likely be a rousing success with tons of folks praising the direction Palladium is taking with ignoring the $1.4 million project in favor of dollar store poker card/old Rifts CCG art hybrid products, pencils, and embroidered jackets.

I dunno, the dice bag is still tempting me.
But like many PB product, it's size may not meet my needs and expectations.

To be fair, I have been a gamer for over 3 decades so the dice collection might fill a gym bag. I do not want to go find out.

Did PB get a small booth this time? If not, I bet they will for sure next year or not show up at all. They would not have much to say at a "Gaming Convention"

Yikes! Saw who were their neighbors on the map for the show:
Catalyst Game Labs. (Battletech... soooo funny, not sure who would be "unseen" now)
Gale Force 9
Fantasy Flight Games (Oh, the contrast!)
Then Kenzer and Co (they could talk RPG with Hackmaster).

At least the AREA around them was busy.

It always makes me die a little bit inside whenever I see Jolly referring to his "good friend Kevin".

I know they have said repeatedly many times they are trying to figure out the miniature process..
After looking at Palladium web site they had older Rifts miniatures.. Realizing they are not in the
miniature business.. It doesn't take a expert to know they look like dog doo.. If the product doesn't
meet minimum quality level.. why do you think it will sale?
There is trust issues in the company not allowing people to do their job.. and that is what is killing
the company. But seeing the announcement about the poker cards did kind of cheese me off..

Thinking they are working on poker cards instead of RRT that "investors" have already paid them for to work on.

Next year they are going to have a really huge release for Gencon. Rifts keychains!

 Genoside07 wrote:
Thinking they are working on poker cards instead of RRT that "investors" have already paid them for to work on.

I had seen it pointed out that Savage Worlds uses a poker deck mechanic so this is their way to ride on the back of that successful KS.
Makes sense to cater to those happy few.

I think most people know that... but we just don't care as Robotech backers since they're choosing to work on that instead of making/showing progress on what we funded in 2013.

Sorry, I keep talking about "making sense" from the PB totally self-serving perspective.

Printing stuff on paper products for PB is more in their comfort zone anyway (as well they can use old stock pictures) so it is easy to see that new product coming online without the usual muti-year delay.

Oh, I have the squirrel in a cage frustration over this KS so I have tried to move on to other distractions (squirrel!!!) since hobby and frustration really should not fall in the same sentence.


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Merijeek wrote:
It always makes me die a little bit inside whenever I see Jolly referring to his "good friend Kevin".

You mean Jolly R. Blackburn?
Makes sense since Jolly was producing "Shadis Magazine" which would comment on things like Kevin's RPG's: never hurts to be REALLY nice to reviewers.
The relationship would have been quite different if he was a contractor reporting to Kevin.

When is the Gamer Goggles' interview getting released? I am sure we'll see hard hitting questions.

"Kevin, if you were a suit of power armor, what kind would you be? And you can't pick Glitter Boy, you silly!"

 n815e wrote:
When is the Gamer Goggles' interview getting released? I am sure we'll see hard hitting questions.

I hate to say it was an interview much like this (I know it was intended sarcasm) :
Headline: FOX News’ Jesse Watters Sits Down With Donald Trump To Ask Him The Hard Hitting Questions

The closest thing to the person being interviewed writing their own questions.

well these Alpha Fighters are itsy bitsy and a pain to paint.

Ohh... those I may have to get. FUD or SW&F?

these were testers so did them in WS&F

Asterios wrote:
these were testers so did them in WS&F

Nice!
I think I liked all the human gear for that "age" of Robotech.
The Alpha was one of my favorite toys as a kid.
Was not much of a fan of the Invid however.

I was wondering how did everything go in gencon (regarding PB) and procrastinating on the internet I came with this:



Quite funny. Yeah, ready. Like 3 years ago. AND WHAT ABOUT YOU PB?




well, anything to report from gencon?

 Forar wrote:
According to Morgan (who was at Gencon), their booth was smaller than last year's, and whenever he swung by, Kevin seemed more inclined to talk to other PB staff/booth volunteers than potential customers.

Obviously he can speak for himself when he finds an opportunity to log in and share.

Speaking for myself, now that I'm home (4hr at airport, 4hr flight, 4hr layover, 15hr flight, 3hr travel home = not fun), and have an internet connection I'm familiar with, here's my rundown.

Booth was about half the size it's been on previous years. I paced it out at 8 steps to a side (so I figure 20'x20'). It's placement also meant that while it had some due to being near Fantasy Flight, the usual zigzag motion of the crowd (where you go up one aisle to the end, and down another) was disrupted by the FFG booth. Also, unlike other "established" companies, they had no elevated signage. I went past it at least twice in my meandering without seeing it before I noticed where it was. Whereas Ninja Division, Smirk and Dagger, and Pinnacle (arguable contemporaries I'm familiar with) all stood out on every run through the dealers hall. After I noticed, I probably went past maybe 6-8 times after that.

Foot traffic wasn't bad, there was always a few people there, but I never saw it packed (but again, I didn't see it at all on Thursday). I do know that every time I went past, Kevin was deep in conversation with another staffer. Never saw him talking to customers. Don't know if he was avoiding the customers (at least until they'd been screened), or if it was just a statistical anomaly.

They only had 9 core boxes out at a time (a pile of 2x2x2 flat, with one vertical above it), so it was impossible to tell how fast they moved, unlike last year with the pallet.

I do know on Saturday when I went past, there was someone I recognized (a friend of a friend, or someone I'd played against in years past, I couldn't remember his name), was looking at the core box, and looking for one of the staffers to talk to him. The interested party recognized me, and I told him about the parts counts issue, and that it's been two years without a release with no sign of anything being done before EoY. He put the box down, and we left, splitting up when we got to Fantasy Flight (I won't wait an hour plus in line, screw that noise). I don't know if I cost them a sale or not, but I do know I cost them a potential sale. I felt pretty good about that.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Forar wrote:
According to Morgan (who was at Gencon), their booth was smaller than last year's, and whenever he swung by, Kevin seemed more inclined to talk to other PB staff/booth volunteers than potential customers.

Obviously he can speak for himself when he finds an opportunity to log in and share.

Speaking for myself, now that I'm home (4hr at airport, 4hr flight, 4hr layover, 15hr flight, 3hr travel home = not fun), and have an internet connection I'm familiar with, here's my rundown.

Booth was about half the size it's been on previous years. I paced it out at 8 steps to a side (so I figure 20'x20'). It's placement also meant that while it had some due to being near Fantasy Flight, the usual zigzag motion of the crowd (where you go up one aisle to the end, and down another) was disrupted by the FFG booth. Also, unlike other "established" companies, they had no elevated signage. I went past it at least twice in my meandering without seeing it before I noticed where it was. Whereas Ninja Division, Smirk and Dagger, and Pinnacle (arguable contemporaries I'm familiar with) all stood out on every run through the dealers hall. After I noticed, I probably went past maybe 6-8 times after that.

Foot traffic wasn't bad, there was always a few people there, but I never saw it packed (but again, I didn't see it at all on Thursday). I do know that every time I went past, Kevin was deep in conversation with another staffer. Never saw him talking to customers. Don't know if he was avoiding the customers (at least until they'd been screened), or if it was just a statistical anomaly.

They only had 9 core boxes out at a time (a pile of 2x2x2 flat, with one vertical above it), so it was impossible to tell how fast they moved, unlike last year with the pallet.

I do know on Saturday when I went past, there was someone I recognized (a friend of a friend, or someone I'd played against in years past, I couldn't remember his name), was looking at the core box, and looking for one of the staffers to talk to him. The interested party recognized me, and I told him about the parts counts issue, and that it's been two years without a release with no sign of anything being done before EoY. He put the box down, and we left, splitting up when we got to Fantasy Flight (I won't wait an hour plus in line, screw that noise). I don't know if I cost them a sale or not, but I do know I cost them a potential sale. I felt pretty good about that.

well WRRD posted this on the KS forums: (me I find his comments dubious at best)

Red Duke Games about 13 hours ago
There were over 7 large games played for RRT at Gen Con. I ran 4 and they were all sold out and (I had 1 player not show up). I ran 2 - 300 point games and 2 - 400 point games. All the players who played had no experience with the game or had played some demo games previously. Every player both enjoyed the game and enjoyed the experience. Many of the players stated that the game captured the feel of the show and that they need to get more players playing the game. 6 Tables away the SDF-1 game was playing at the same time as one of mine games but we did check out the SDF-1 table and there was a large crowd watching the game. Of the past Gen-Cons I have worked with Palladium, this was one of the most positive in terms of Robotech and how much people are supporting the game.

and this:

Red Duke Games about 10 hours ago
As I would expect the responses I get are from the Anti-Fan Boys.. Also I have no reason to lie about my experiences. Gen Con was an amazing time and I played Robotech Tactics and Talked RRT at the Palladium Booth for 4 full days... I'm glad your here Rick, I really am. Your getting famous as an Anti-Fan-Boy.. I spoke with several Game Companies and they know all about you and your kind. Enjoy

and this:

Red Duke Games about 5 hours ago
@n8 I was hired by palladium to run the demo games and the big games, and I scheduled the games through Palladium. They were official Palladium Games. Prize support was provided. I didn't need any recognition for doing the games, I wanted to do them. I was listed on the games and listed in the newsletter as being at the Booth. As for the scenario book, I have been working on that for the last year and a half. As for the selling of the games some of my players had missed the kickstarter or purchased the game and wanted to learn and get a good feel of the game before buying more stuff. Most of the purchasing of the Core box and unit sets happened after discussions or demos at the booth. We were close to running out of the core box sets that PB took to the Con.

Every time I walked bybthe Palladium booth it was basically empty save for their haughty looking staff that pajd no attention to anyone who walked by or stopped even momentarily. I saw some RTT stuff on their tables, etc. but it looked like they brought very little product, if any (probably a good thing in light of the embarassment of last years pallets of unsold games). I did notice a sign that advertised a 30% off discount on all RTT product however.

Asterios wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Red Duke Games about 5 hours ago
@n8 I was hired by palladium to run the demo games and the big games, and I scheduled the games through Palladium. They were official Palladium Games. Prize support was provided. I didn't need any recognition for doing the games, I wanted to do them. I was listed on the games and listed in the newsletter as being at the Booth. As for the scenario book, I have been working on that for the last year and a half. As for the selling of the games some of my players had missed the kickstarter or purchased the game and wanted to learn and get a good feel of the game before buying more stuff. Most of the purchasing of the Core box and unit sets happened after discussions or demos at the booth. We were close to running out of the core box sets that PB took to the Con.

Huh, I know for a fact that a few months ago, WRRD or whatever he's calling himself these days, asked for a few people to help rite scenarios for this "upcoming" book.

Just like a lackey of PB to take all the credit for other people's hard work.

Red Duke Games about 5 hours ago
We were close to running out of the core box sets that PB took to the Con.

All 9 of them.

To be fair where the games are being held and where the booth is are two very different locations from what I understand.

Also it is totally possible that people who are not backers are interested in RRT but have no interest in the RPG stuff. The last time the PB booth was in the RPG area if I recall correctly and that is not the first place you would look for minis.

Also, Peter did an awesome job with the SDF-1 and I would not be surprised that he would have a lot of people checking out his display/demo/game.